Coyote Protection?

I was phesant hunting in Eastern Nebraska Saturday. My father killed a coyote, with a Smith and Wesson 22 pistol, as it chased his brittney pup. It took 2 shots, the first hit the hind quaters, and the second to the chest. If they are running, remember to lead them. The distance was 25-30 yards, and if it was further away, the first shot would have missed. He said that he aimed at the chest, and he was swiveling to match the speed. He was shooting CCI mini mags.

Long story short, a 22 will kill a coyote

In the coyotes defense, it was protecting a Turkey carcus, for a percieved threat of the pup. The dog was wearing a Hawk Call beeper collar, which probably what caused the masking of the approach and the surprise.
 
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I've seen many coyotes shot with .22's.
I've seen them dropped dead in their tracks and I've seen them run off wounded.
I've never seen one shot and continue attacking.......

Pain is a great motivator to RUN. :D
 
Coyotes aren't easy to kill. If you read at Predator forums many are lost shot with .22 magnums out of a rifle. But, they aren't exactly brave when faced with a threat that fights back. So, if all you want to do is defend against them about any type firearm should be enough to put them to flight. They are pretty afraid of humans and if they recognize you as human they will beat it post haste. (they are used to being shot at when sighted by man) A big male 'yote will not likely be afraid of your dog and if she's running free there is a possibility of some sort of interaction between them. 50 pounds is more than a single 'yote is going tackle and unless there's a pack she will probably be let alone.(more than likely at her weight a stand-off unless she's very brave) I've read the greatest danger to dogs is when they weigh less than 20 pounds.
I walk my dogs and go through coyote territory every day. The only dog I have that will attack one is on leash and the other 3 seem to not be willing to close with them at all. Most of the time I carry a .22 mag North American 4" revolver because it's, light, loud and fairly powerful. Of course I have a big sharp one hand opening knife with me too. Worse comes to worse whatever might mess with me out in the woods, I feel pretty sure I could defend my person and my dogs. I have access to many other more powerful sidearms and I have carried them hiking, but I really don't enjoy the extra weight. I think if your dog ever did get into a scrape with coyotes, as long as you could reach her fairly fast, they'd scatter like the wind. The one time mine was fighting a big 'yote (all 4 and the Pit Bull was the main aggressor) he seemed to redouble his efforts to escape when I ran up close and did, very swiftly making off! (my little Mt. Cur x Coonhound was right on his butt, very brave when the 'yote had broke away, not so much before the pit made the initial contact, LOL)
 
I always carry my S&W Mod. 18 22 cal. when I walk iwith the dog in the pasture behind our house. the chance of encountering a rabit one worries me more. I have seen single coyotes but never a group. When a siren wails on the interstate it really sets them off. I am guessing at least four start up. Our yard is fenced and my lab really gets wound up at times. Who knows what it is. I once watched a coyote hunting for rabbits behind us. It was interesting to see how they followed a search pattern by tracing back and forth covering an area to scare one up. At one time there were dozens of stray cats in the barn next door, now they are rare. Coyote animal control.
 
There is no need to kill Cyotes. They are afraid of humans. Take it from someone who started killing animals at age 6, and killed humans at age 19 in Vietnam.... killing is the worst that we can do. If you need to eat, the so be it, but killing for fun, sport, or opportunity will haunt you sooner or later.
 
May I be so bold as to recommend a llama or a donkey for protection? If you've got a few acres, it might be a good investment. Llamas are on average about six feet tall and between 300 and 450 pounds. Donkeys can get to be almost six to seven feet tall and anywhere from 350 to 450 pounds. They're both quite intelligent, cautious, friendly towards humans, and eager to learn.

I've seen both donkeys and llamas protect "their" animals, and let's just say that anything short of a mountain lion is going to get really f-ed up, really quickly. You don't want an angry 400-pound animal charging you when you're a 45-pound coyote. I've even heard reputable stories of a single donkey killing a pit bull when it tried to attack the donkey owner's dog. Donkey came out unscathed; the pit bull was barely recognizable.
 
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There is no need to kill Cyotes. They are afraid of humans. Take it from someone who started killing animals at age 6, and killed humans at age 19 in Vietnam.... killing is the worst that we can do. If you need to eat, the so be it, but killing for fun, sport, or opportunity will haunt you sooner or later.

Well said brother.
 
I've even heard reputable stories of a single donkey killing a pit bull when it tried to attack the donkey owner's dog. Donkey came out unscathed; the pit bull was barely recognizable.

Funny, I have a friend in Missouri who runs a mule with her cattle to keep roaming dogs at bay. She used to have a problem with a pack of the neighbors' dogs. Not anymore. Mule 1, Dogs 0. :D
 
There is no need to kill Cyotes. They are afraid of humans. Take it from someone who started killing animals at age 6, and killed humans at age 19 in Vietnam.... killing is the worst that we can do. If you need to eat, the so be it, but killing for fun, sport, or opportunity will haunt you sooner or later.

To each his own... I kill coyotes on sight (where legal... not in state or national parks). I've had them come up to my house and try to kill and eat my dog. They will get no mercy from me. :)
 
There is no need to kill Cyotes. They are afraid of humans.

Not always, that's why it's a good idea to be prepared.

Coyotes sometimes do attack humans

Coyote attacks child

Coyotes attack 2 children

Take it from someone who started killing animals at age 6, and killed humans at age 19 in Vietnam.... killing is the worst that we can do. If you need to eat, the so be it, but killing for fun, sport, or opportunity will haunt you sooner or later.

If that works for you fine, I grew up having to see what they do to a new born calf that they got to before we could.

And many times they did not eat them, just killed them for sport, and yes some predators do kill for the thrill of the chase and then leave the carcass uneaten.

And I do not believe the original poster said anything about killing for "fun, sport, or opportunity", he was asking about protecting himself and his dog.
 
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Man can't ever eradicate coyotes. They attempted to out west for decades and failed. The grey wolf they did, but the 'yote is just too smart and adaptable. They have dramatically increased their population in the last 30 years to the point, that they are found now, in every state save Hawaii.(case in point, my Dad says there was none here until the late 1970's) The white-tailed deer has drawn them from out west, eastwards. Without any hunting of them they'd lose their fear of man and overpopulate.(they'd really be a nuisance then) They are one of the few furred animals with absolutely zero protection afforded by law. There's a good reason the Fur Fish and Game Departments have chosen to allow coyotes to be killed year round. Without it we would be overran and even the coyotes would suffer from more diseases and be overall much more unhealthy. Believe me nobody is going to get rid of them. They tried out west in sheep country, by poison, trapping, running them down with sight-hounds and even shooting them from planes. The 'yote still survived, while the grey wolf just couldn't adapt and was exterminated from the same area.
 
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I live in an area in which coyotes thrive. Every winter, there are several packs of coyotes that hunt the suburban neighborhoods I live and walk my dog in. It's not at all unusual to see a 'yote or three go running from yard to yard at night. Around here, the 'yotes mostly eat rabbits, as there are bazillions of rabbits around.

During the last five years, I've had a few experiences with local 'yotes.
Four years ago, my family had a Chihuahua that loved to roam. Every chance he got, he was out the door or under the fence then down the street. Despite a half-acre yard and six-foot fence, the dog insisted on making his rounds. Well, one day, he simply didn't come back. We searched, asked neighbors, and so forth. The Chihuahua was simply gone. Odds are, a coyote got him.

There are occassional posters hung around neighborhoods about missing dogs; the missing dog is always a tiny one- Chihuahuas, Pekingnese, Poodles and so forth. It's fairly safe to assume that the coyotes which roam these neighborhoods prey on small dogs. However, I've never seen them attack any leashed animal walking with its owner.

Conversely, my sister had two dogs, one a female German Shepherd of about 60 pounds, the other a 20-pound mutt. About two years ago, an indetermined number of coyotes attacked the small dog while the two were in the backyard late at night. My sister and her husband heard a fierce sound of dog fighting. By the time they got to the back yard, there was no sign of the attackers.

The German Shepherd was torn up, but alive. The wounds were only flesh wounds requiring stitching and lots of antibiotics. The small mutt had a few cuts that required stitching, but nothing major. Their yard had a standard, 4-foot-tall wood picket fence, which the coyotes jumped easily. The GSD, although small, proved a capable protection dog against those predators.

Two years ago, I was walking my dogs, a 150-pound Newfoundland and a 35-pound Cocker Spaniel, out in the desert. After about 30 minutes, two 'yotes crept within 10 yards of my two male dogs and started howling. Of course, my dogs ran after them. The 'yotes ran off about 30 yards, then turned and did the same thing - howled and waited for my dogs to catch up.
I immediately chased my dogs, called them, and blew the whistle around my neck. I also shined my headlamp in the 'yotes eyes. I had my Greco Explorer on my belt and was ready to go hand-to-tooth with a pack of coyotes, if I had to :P

I caught up to my Newf, but the stupid Cocker kept on chasing. My Newf came with me willingly, but the Cocker wanted to follow the 'yotes. I stopped, called him, then turned back towards my car. Seeing I and the Newf were leaving, the dumb Cocker finally decided to follow me. The muscle behind his bark were leaving and the Cocker finally thought beter of his action. When we turned to leave, back came those two coyotes!

They howled and, once again, the idiot Cocker chased 'em!

What the coyotes were doing was using their hunting behavior of male dogs:
When a coyote pack chooses to prey on large male dogs, it sends one or two female 'yotes to howl and coax the dogs to chase. The female coyotes stay close enough to persuade the dogs further and further out, but never let the dogs actually make contact. The females are luring the dogs back to a waiting pack, which is usually 8-12 full-sized coyotes. No dog or two, no matter how large, can fight off that many predators. That's also how lions take down elephants- many against one.

After I retrieved my dogs, the Newf coming willingly and the Cocker coming unwillingly, the 'yotes followed us for the next 20 minutes. They'd get within 10 yards of us, but never openly attacked us. As I neared my car, they finally broke off and soundlessly melted into the darkness.

Here's what I've learned from my experiences and five years of observation-
- coyotes do eat small, unprotected dogs and other animals.
- in some areas, coyotes are quite unafraid of humans.
- coyotes help keep rabbit populations in check. However, coyote populations can grow too large. In that case, the 'yotes need to be kept in check.
- coyotes can become sufficiently enboldened to attack large dogs or even children. When they do so, it's most likely there's a large coyote pack just around the corner.
- 4-foot fences are grossly insufficient to keep coyotes out of yards. My brother has seen a coyote effortlessly leap over a 6-foot fence.
- coyotes generally look for easy opportunities. However, they do what they feel they need to in order to survive.

When I walk my Newf at night I carry an old, fiberglass axe handle and wear my Cold Steel SRK. He and I usually walk in suburnban neighborhoods. I live in an open-carry state where anything legal to own is legal to carry openly. I feel that, with a stout stick and a decent knife, I could successfully defend my dog from coyote predation, should we encounter something willing to attack a full-sized man and 150-pound dog.

My opinion on defending one's dog and potentially oneself from coyotes is this - do what you need to in a prudent and conscientious manner. Trying to shoot a moving coyote in a suburban neighborhood without hitting a house or one's own dog may not be the best course of action. In the wilderness, though, there's a different set of rules.

I've been in the wilderness completely surrounded by coyote packs - and had no worries of being attacked. In-town, coyotes are less afraid of people and make different choices than their uncivilized brethren.

One final though: the gray wolf, around here known as the Lobo, is the natural predator of coyotes. The New Mexican government released a some into the wild a few years back. I've not heard how the Lobos are faring.
 
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I live in an area where coyotes are quite prolific. I've encountered many of them when I was afield and have never felt the least bit threatened. That said, rabies is very rare in my area. If rabies was common in my area, I would carry a sidearm more than I do, which isn't often.
 
As I live in rural Wisconsin we have an abundance of coyotes. It certainly would be out of the ordinary for them to be a problem with your dog considering your average coyote is 35-45 lbs. My dogs have chased a number of them away and they just high-tail it outa there. It would take a pretty desperate coyote to take on a dog of any size. They don't usually care for prey that fights back. Carry a .22 if that makes you feel more secure, although I doubt you would have to use it. My dogs range from 20-50 lbs. I've seen them run from my 20-pound Australian Terrier. Good judgment on their part--tangling with my terrier would be like tangling with a wild cat. He has taken down 70 pound dogs and I've had to pull him off. Tough little bastard that. My other dog is an unneutered Australian Cattle Dog. He has no fear of coyotes, yet he does howl back when we hear them yippen' at night. Go figure. Must be the old Dingo blood in him.

In regard to them packing up; occasionally in winter, but then it is usually parents and adoescent litters that have not left to go off on their own. Usually they are solitary or just a pair.

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Hey Trout Tamer--you oughta be writing novels as I consider your whole message fiction (read B.S.). Give me a break! I have also lived in Northern Minnesota amongst wolves--they are not a problem with humans or my dogs.

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Hey Trout Tamer--you oughta be writing novels as I consider your whole message fiction (read B.S.). Give me a break! I have also lived in Northern Minnesota amongst wolves--they are not a problem with humans or my dogs.

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It's a well known fact coyotes will kill and eat small pets, such as cats and smaller dogs. As for wolves not bothering dogs? They will and do kill dogs.
http://wolfsaga.blogspot.com/2006/09/wolves-kill-13-dogs-being-trained-for.html
As for trout tamer's claim that 'yotes will try to lure a larger dog(s) to pack to kill them? I have heard this from others and it was always at night, as he stated. Whether it's absolute fact or not I don't know but I sure wouldn't call him a liar. (in fact others have reported the exact same thing and even stated that the coyote is a different animal at night, as far as boldness and it's attitude towards our domestic canines)
 
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I've been in the wilderness completely surrounded by coyote packs - and had no worries of being attacked. In-town, coyotes are less afraid of people and make different choices than their uncivilized brethren.

Good points. Attacks on humans by coyotes, are almost always by coyotes that have adapted and "moved" into town and suburb areas, looking for food in trash cans and small pets or in new suburb construction where humans have recently pushed into their home area.

Attacks in the real "wild" on humans are practically unheard of or at least VERY rare.
 
Hey Trout Tamer--you oughta be writing novels as I consider your whole message fiction (read B.S.). Give me a break! I have also lived in Northern Minnesota amongst wolves--they are not a problem with humans or my dogs.

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Sounds like you've had extremely limited experience. I'll keep that in mind as I read any of your future posts.
As for Trout Tamer, I don't know him, but his general post was very well articulated and the facts can be easily found to prove his commentary on Coyotes quite accurate.
 
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