CPMS30V only 45% > than 420HC

[DaveH]

. I've taken a lot of abuse for a misprint.

I think you've taken abuse more for being gullible and taking their (the catalogs) word for it and also for assuming you knew what that means and making a sweeping judgement from it.

 

[ilbruche]

I could compare this conversation to beating one's head against a brick wall, except for the fact that a brick wall can at least be pardoned for lack of reason since it doesn't, in fact, have a brain.

I'm 99% sure your right.
Where do all these random percentages come from?

If I cut three apples and three oranges into three slices and my blade loses .87% of its cutting ability with each slice at which point will I lose my freaking mind!!!!!

 

[Silverdagger]

Oh shoot, I just about cut my Native in half with my Buck 110 425M. Well it's a big ding anyway. Hopefully I can reprofile it.



Kidding

 

[BRASMAN]

Not even sharp enough to cut through some cheapo new age plastic hugh.


LOL

 

[t1mpani]

Ah ha, so it was a misprint. I've taken a lot of abuse for a misprint.

*Forces hands out of hooked strangling position*

In certain cases, cutting certain materials by certain cutting methods (push, slice, impact, etc.), S30V's edge holding advantage might be 45%. In other cases, using other cutting methods to cut other materials, S30V's edge holding advantage might be 200%. In some others it might be 10%. In some OTHERS 420HC might have an edge holding advantage, though far, far fewer--especially in light of what one is likely to do with a pocket knife (i.e. knives that are broken in the middle, by design, don't make the best choppers or batoning tools, regardless of what their blade steel is). All of this variance would be true even if the geometries of the blades/edges in question were identical. In fact, that's the only way any recorded data from comparisons could have any meaning. Of course, when you have two different blade/edge geometries, that has a huge impact on how well/easily/long the knife will cut also. 45% isn't a misprint, it's a meaningless number because it gives none of the conditions under, or methods by which, the comparison was reached. Given that way, it wouldn't be "correct" if it said 10% or 160%. They're also meaningless numbers unless what was cut, in what way, and under what conditions is clarified.

You haven't taken any "abuse" for a misprint. If you've felt abused, I'm sorry, but I believe the reason you perceived attitudes you didn't like is because the reasons why Cabela's claim is so totally meaningless were explained to you SO many times by SO many people and you never seemed to respond to any of it. Your mind was made up before you ever posted. Now, obviously, you're not required to listen to anybody here or anywhere else, but the fact that you started a discussion and then seemed to turn a blind eye whenever somebody answered you with anything other than what you wanted to hear makes one wonder why you started the topic in the first place.

If 420HC is what suits you, then by all means use it exclusively--you could do worse. There isn't a caveman who wouldn't have traded you all the cavewomen in his clan to have a knife made out of it. Of course, the irony is that if you traded your knife away you wouldn't be able to shave them.

 

[mmmotorcycle]

I think you've taken abuse more for being gullible and taking their (the catalogs) word for it and also for assuming you knew what that means and making a sweeping judgement from it.

Well said! and yes this is why you took some abuse.

Let me just say that I've had a S30V Dodo for 6 months and after cutting through dozen of zip ties and many feet of cardboard I've only needed to sharpen it once. I also have had a 440C Mini-Grip for a year and after using it for similar tasks I've had to sharpen it at least a dozen times.

 

[darthsoaker]

*Forces hands out of hooked strangling position*

In certain cases, cutting certain materials by certain cutting methods (push, slice, impact, etc.), S30V's edge holding advantage might be 45%. In other cases, using other cutting methods to cut other materials, S30V's edge holding advantage might be 200%. In some others it might be 10%. In some OTHERS 420HC might have an edge holding advantage, though far, far fewer--especially in light of what one is likely to do with a pocket knife (i.e. knives that are broken in the middle, by design, don't make the best choppers or batoning tools, regardless of what their blade steel is). All of this variance would be true even if the geometries of the blades/edges in question were identical. In fact, that's the only way any recorded data from comparisons could have any meaning. Of course, when you have two different blade/edge geometries, that has a huge impact on how well/easily/long the knife will cut also. 45% isn't a misprint, it's a meaningless number because it gives none of the conditions under, or methods by which, the comparison was reached. Given that way, it wouldn't be "correct" if it said 10% or 160%. They're also meaningless numbers unless what was cut, in what way, and under what conditions is clarified.

You haven't taken any "abuse" for a misprint. If you've felt abused, I'm sorry, but I believe the reason you perceived attitudes you didn't like is because the reasons why Cabela's claim is so totally meaningless were explained to you SO many times by SO many people and you never seemed to respond to any of it. Your mind was made up before you ever posted. Now, obviously, you're not required to listen to anybody here or anywhere else, but the fact that you started a discussion and then seemed to turn a blind eye whenever somebody answered you with anything other than what you wanted to hear makes one wonder why you started the topic in the first place.

If 420HC is what suits you, then by all means use it exclusively--you could do worse. There isn't a caveman who wouldn't have traded you all the cavewomen in his clan to have a knife made out of it. Of course, the irony is that if you traded your knife away you wouldn't be able to shave them.

:thumbup: I couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[Keith Montgomery]

The 45% figure given is useless unless they list the method of the testing that was done. Any percentage improvement given means nothing unless they show what tests were done and what the results were. Show me the charts and test results and then we can discuss what they mean, but an ad saying that one steel holds an edge 45% better than another doesn't give me any useful information.

 

[Jeff Clark]

Somewhere Buck did a report on how 420HC compared to BG42 on a CATRA tester. Here is something to consider. The extreme apex of the edge wears down at nearly the same rate at first. If you insist on keeping your blade absolutely razor sharp and therefore rehone often the differences are fairly small. If you can't or don't choose to sharpen often the more wear resistant steel pulls ahead with extensive wear and dulling. So if you are a guy who is skinning a bear with nice gritty fur and you don't want to stop and touch up your edge in the middle the better steel will pay for itself in one job. If you are only skinning a deer and will touch your blade up when you go home you won't notice much difference.

I will go further. I get a sharper edge on 420HC or BG42 than I do on S30V. If I was hunting deer I would prefer to have a sharper 420HC blade on my knife. If I was hunting elk I would spend extra money for something like BG42 (I have an old Buck Master Series Vanguard with BG42 blade).

If you are cutting a lot of cardboard you could opt for S30V and keep a diamond hone at home or 420HC and keep a ceramic rod handy at work.

 

[Suicycoprowler]

Of course there is the law of diminishing returns when dealing with steel performance, but I think most knife enthusiasts agree that the increase in performance is worth the additional cost. I don't find S30V knives to be disproportionately priced when compared to 420.

 

[Ben Dover]

The thing I love most about this forum is that we can disagree, sometimes strongly, without being disagreeable! IMHO, argument, without anger, is the true hallmark of enlightened discussion.