Critiquing~Is there really a problem?

You have to ask why, some of these collectors would be opposed to the idea of a separate sub forum for critique?

I smell politics...
 
RogerP said:
We already have a knife-discussion forum. It is here and now. I see no need for a knife non-discussion forum.
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Should you change your mind, the non-discussion forum already exists.

And should you make more hunters and bowies at Farr's shop than you know what to do with, there are forums here to help with that, too. :D
 
Politics: use of intrigue or strategy in obtaining any position of power or control, as in business, university, etc.
 
Joss said:
Fine then there's no need for one more forum. If you don't want any discussion on your knife, post it in the gallery. If you're ready for your knife to be discussed, post it here. I can live with that.
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I'm with you Joss.

After 220 some post and near 5000 views, the initial question still has not been answered. "Critiquing~is there a problem?".

Where are the examples? Bruce mentioned one thread, "deal breakers" but there were other maker's who though there was very worthwhile information there. I believe there was another thread mentioned that was inappropriate IMO.

I don't believe we need yet another forum, we just need posters to be more courteous and thoughtful when critiquing maker's work.

Perhaps a thread or sticky with a code of conduct or guidelines for Critiquing might help.
 
For Frak's sake, there's no need for a friggin' "how to". All you need is to be polite (e.g., don't hijack threads to address something unrelated) and decency (be considerate in your comments). People who forget that will not change their behavior based on an how to. This is not a professional critiquing congress - this is a place where makers, collectors, users, enthusiasts discuss custom knives.
 
Joss said:
For Frak's sake, there's no need for a friggin' "how to". All you need is to be polite (e.g., don't hijack threads to address something unrelated) and decency (be considerate in your comments). People who forget that will not change their behavior based on an how to. This is not a professional critiquing congress - this is a place where makers, collectors, users, enthusiasts discuss custom knives.
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No, this isn't a place where enthusiasts have come to discuss custom knives. It is a place where a few outspoken collectors have tried to maintain control and impose their personal tastes and preferences on everyone else, at any cost to the group as a whole, through intimidation and disrespect.
 
Are you saying something Tai? I can't hear you - you're now on my ignore list, along with such luminaries as Culpeper, DaQo'Tah Forge, luku, and RealDeal. I hope you're finding the company pleasant.

You make great knives and you have a great vision, I'll never say anything but that. You're also an obnoxious jester (I was going to use a less polite term), and I don't have time for you.
 
Tai Goo said:
No, this isn't a place where enthusiasts have come to discuss custom knives. It is a place where a few outspoken collectors have tried to maintain control and impose their personal tastes and preferences on everyone else, at any cost to the group as a whole, through intimidation and disrespect.
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I agree there's a few (out of how many that visit this forum) that get out of hand at times, but intimidation and disrespect may be a little harsh.

Examples?

Let's deal with the few instead of making it look like a widespread issue.
 
What Buddy and Coop mention is a perfect solution, but i myself never visit the Gallery- and would be confused, having two places, dilleneated only be types of comments allowed. But, a comment/critique is a good idea for more vocal extremes, i believe.

I do not know Buddy, but he has impressed me greatly- a very mature point of view, and with a non-agressive manner.

I appreciate this attitude, more than any individual issues. If a forum were filled with voices like his, i doubt this thread would need to exist.

Being argumentative, obsessive, nitpicky, ..these are qualities none of us should ever aspire to. But it happens..

I think the decision for a vacation is a good one. it gives time for relection,.. not always spouting off. Mature choices can be considered. We are all capable of any range of options.
David
 
The only possible alternative solution to what Coop, Buddy and Kevin have suggested, that I can see,… is to just flat out “talk” it out or talk it straight!

This thread will resolve itself,................................. eventually…
 
Joss,
Add me to your list. I see nothing wrong with Tai's personal views, that intimidatiion is a part of this.. and some collectors have practiced this into an art form.

It is possible to still enjoy this forum, minus Jerry Springer. But, who can resist watching if its the show always on.
David
 
I find myself in agreement with Tai Goo and others saying something is not quite right. Just would like to lend my support to these knifemakers :thumbup:
 
If you post your work on a public forum, you should have skin thick enough to handle all the possible replies. With all the exposure comes a mild risk of criticism. A very fair trade for a knifemaker comfortable in his own skin, I think.

And without a little contention & disagreement, this board would not have the exposure (or readership) that it does now. While the negative posts sometimes are just negative, or get us riled up, they are by far (in this forum) well spoken criticism of the knife based on the posters learned subjective opinion. My friend STeven is a prime example of this - he almost always says something worth hearing in an entertaining way. And that usually generates worthwhile discussion (or sometimes just entertaining discussion).

So aarrgghh, ruffled feathers be dam*ed!
 
Joss said:
Coop,

This forum is where we discuss custom knives. If one posts a knife here, it should be free to discuss it.

I would agree to a rule saying that knives posted on the gallery are not to be critiqued.

What I have 0 interest in is a forum where a knife can only receive feedback if the thread says so. If you post a knife here, it's open to being discussed (politely). Of course, there's no guarantee.
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very well said. :thumbup::thumbup:

This year I took a couple knives to the Vegas show ( they were not for sale and one was already sold and shipping on Saturday ) , I took them to put them in the hands of some collectors to get feedback and also to put in the hands of other makers to find out what I need to work on most , what they like/dislike and overall opinion.

I can get a ton of " atta-boys" and " awesome work ! " comments from my friends , that doesn't really give me what I am looking for though , I am looking for real info as to " would this knife interest you ? If not why ? is it my level of fit & finish ? design ? both ? ". At no point during the " critiquing " was price mentioned . Only once they were finished giving their opinion.

One thing I learned is that while some had things they would change or preferred to be different/better , all of them said none of their dislikes or concerns would bother them for what my targeted asking price would be.
I did make sure to shake each one of their hands and thank them for their time and opinions.

I recieved great feedback , more than I thought I would. And I HOPE I can carry that into making each knife better.

Face it , as a knife maker or sheath maker or whatever , posting a picture on a forum is a way of showing off what you are proud of , your own work , and while you may recieve 1,000 attaboys , sometimes you just need to hear those " I would like it better if.... " posts as well. Just don't take it as a slam or as negativity , think of it as a different way of looking at it.

In the same respect though , it would probably benefit all to stop and think for a sec before hitting the submit reply button on a critque post , is your critique fair or is it agenda/clique driven ?

at no time should critique's be given in a for sale thread ( unless asked for ) , that would be bad form.

just my opinion of course. But a great thread.
 
John T Wylie Jr said:
This year I took a couple knives to the Vegas show, I took them to put them in the hands of some collectors to get feedback and also to put in the hands of other makers to find out what I need to work on most , what they like/dislike and overall opinion.
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Difference being you did not receive your feedback by forum replies based on your pictures. You were face to face with them. They got to form their opinions from actually handling your knives. There's a difference and that is where the problem really is that some collectors are failing to recognize. In my opinion.
 
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