CRK fixed blade question

Its possible. I dont know how many mods they will do now ( serrations, single guard, etc. ) with the line being descontinued. I would email them and find out !!! I would do it tonight because they are closed on fridays and you will have to wait until monday for a reply.
 
Hmmm.... I think I'll email them just to find out if they'll do it. Unless they simply decide that they won't do the custom work, I don't see why they wouldn't. There's only one way to find out though! To the email!
 
dl351 said:
Why do you insist that it's the heat treat? It's been mentioned before that both Reeve knives broke in the middle of a serration. That signals that the serrations could be acting as stress risers. As for people posting on BF, Horn Dog posted somewhere on here using his Green Beret (I think that was the model). He batoned (with wood) and even threw his knife without any problems. Also, if these knives are so fragile and break so easily, I don't think Chris Reeve knives would be as popular as they are, regardless of the internet or knife forums. Also, unless the response posted from Reeve Knives earlier in this thread was a lie, somewhere around a dozen knives have been broken over 25+ years of them making fixed blade knives.
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hi, man , i know you at www.knifetests.com
as i said before , some serrational knives do not broke at the serration area.
such as sog seal 2000 ,GERBER LMF II A.S.E.K Survival Knife and S&W Search & Rescue Knife.
why ?
these knives have serrations on the blade , why not break at the issue area ?
i say this is not mean the CRK are fragile ,but the serration part is not weak piont that cause the breaking !
the turth is that the blade can not withstand the impact of hammering !
the fragile or easliy break is sujective conclusion of that !
as noss said before , the conlusion is yours !



i have no experience on the famous or infamous CRK knife , but i do not believe that the knife with 1/4" stock spine can easliy break under the ordinary or normal use !

but i do not believe in ads also !

some of my friends in china , have CRK knives and said that they are satisfied with all respects of the knife they have !
when i tell them , there is a D-TESTS they yell at me !
the situation here is the same !


at last i wanta say , as i know , the CRK is not bad at every aspects ,but the CRK are not tough !

thanks
dingy
 
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Why hello Dingy! Actually, I was curious about the Reeve one piece knock-off (the Schrade). I watched the end of the Schrade video to check, and it too broke in the middle of a serration. It also wasn't rated much higher on the knifetests.com scale than the Reeve (which could be due to the more spring like temper of the Schrade). Looking at these two knives, since they are so similar, it's clear that the serrations are where the cracks begin. I don't know if you read an earlier post of mine hear, but it's a fact that the serrations are stress concentrators and weak points of the blade. I learned this in engineering classes, and I verified it with a friend of mine who is a materials engineer. Added to that, the hollow ground blades make for more thinner sections of steel. The thin sections are where the breaks began. The 1/4" doesn't matter much once a crack starts. Once there is a crack in hardened tool steel, bad things happen. I've even seen this happen on a (supposedly indestructible) differentially hardened blade in another forum here. It was just beat on with metal too much. As for other knives with serrations, there are too many variables when you start comparing completely different designs to each other.
 
man, i know what you say !
i do agree with you . what i mean is breaking at serration part of CRK is not an excuse ！ can not use this as an grounds of argument , cause there is others with serration won't break under the procedure.
right ?
 
i have a suggestion to the boss of CRK, to check your heat treatment out , you may ignored some thing at tempering.
may be with the same procedure of HT that make your great folder blades, so you can upgrade your HT procedures , let blades have more capacity of socking resistance.
good luck to you all.
god blessing you all.
dingy
 
There's so much I want to say right now that I won't.
I'm getting sick of this. I don't mind the CRK-bashing, since it is reasonable to be critical of any and every knife producer, but this is going to go on forever.

People who trust CRK's reputation (not to mention their own experiences) vs. People who trust the videos. That's all.
I've chosen my side, and that's it. I'm out.
 
Do you mean that if a bogus "test" is mentioned often enough on the internet, it doesn't become a "fact"? (This is a lame attempt at humor.) :(
 
dingy said:
i have a suggestion to the boss of CRK, to check your heat treatment out , you may ignored some thing at tempering.
may be with the same procedure of HT that make your great folder blades, so you can upgrade your HT procedures , let blades have more capacity of socking resistance.
good luck to you all.
god blessing you all.
dingy
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Chris Reeve Knows more about knives, heat teatment, different steels than any of us ever will all put together. He has been making these knives for 28 years, and with less than a dozen breaking in those 28 years !!! What does that tell you ??? If he made a couple thousand of each model every year, over the 28 years, your talking a couple hundred thousand...........I like the odds.
 
STAGE 2 said:
Busse knives are virtually indestructable. Scrapyard knives are virtually indestructible. Swamprat knives are virtually indestructable. RAT and Fallkniven dont make any such claims and are still damn tough. CRK states their one piece is virtually indestructable and it didn't come anywhere near the performance of these knives.
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taken from http://www.chrisreeve.com/onepiece.htm
These knives are virtually indestructible and will remain a good companion for many years!
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Definition of "virtually":adv.
  • In fact or to all purposes; practically: The city was virtually paralyzed by the transit strike.
  • Almost but not quite; nearly: "Virtually everyone gets a headache now and then" (People).
Indestructible = Incapable of being destroyed.
Defininition of "destroy":v.tr.
1. To ruin completely; spoil: The ancient manuscripts were destroyed by fire.
2. To tear down or break up; demolish. See Synonyms at ruin.
3. To do away with; put an end to: "In crowded populations, poverty destroys the possibility of cleanliness" (George Bernard Shaw).
4. To kill: destroy a rabid dog.
5. To subdue or defeat completely; crush: The rebel forces were destroyed in battle.
6. To render useless or ineffective: destroyed the testimony of the prosecution's chief witness.

v.intr. To be destructive; cause destruction: "Too much money destroys as surely as too little" (John Simon).




also taken from http://www.chrisreeve.com/onepiece.htm
"All knives carry a lifetime guarantee and a damaged knife will be replaced or repaired at Chris' discretion."
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So if I damage a knife (without abusing it), I get a new one.

This is where the first listed definition of the word "virtually" becomes critical. In fact or to all purposes; practically. From your posts, it appears as though you're sticking with ONLY definition 2.

I damaged a knife and got a new one. Since I'm currently in posession of a fully functioning knife, it's practically as if it was never destroyed.

Therefore is it false advertising to say that it virtually cannot be destroyed?
Clever wordplay? Absolutely. False claims? No.

Nowhere does he make claims that the knives are unbreakable. In point of fact, there's a bullet point describing his policy for damaged knives - implicitly acknowledging the fact that they can indeed fail.
 
You may have put your finger on the issue:

Nowhere does he make claims that the knives are unbreakable.
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Some people expect that they can obtain knives that will never break. They should check in over in the Axes, etc. forum for a different perspective. Any tool can be broken.
 
Busse and Kin steels are flexiable, but they rust if incoated. So we cannot compare Busse with CRK. Again, A2 is a tool steel designed for hardness and cutting not for blunt force trama with a hammer and bending...Anythng can and will break when pushed to its limits..............And for the record, Chris DID Replace the broken knife. And the abuse was intentional. The simple cure for all of this: if you dont like them, dont buy them. That way there will be more available for us that do like them
 
TAH said:
They don't say their knives are indestructable. Virtually means nearly. I'd say CRK's description is accurate.
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chanwahyaoh said:
Therefore is it false advertising to say that it virtually cannot be destroyed?
Clever wordplay? Absolutely. False claims? No.

Nowhere does he make claims that the knives are unbreakable. In point of fact, there's a bullet point describing his policy for damaged knives - implicitly acknowledging the fact that they can indeed fail.
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Exactly. I made this point on Page 2. :thumbup:
 
While we're on the subject, I have a friendly question. I own a Mountaineer 1 & 2 - love them both. Why did Chris choose a hollow grind over a flat grind for the OPR? I have always associated a hollow grind with hunting knives more than "survival" knives. It doesn't really matter to me because my Mountaineers perform flawlessly for what I ask them to do. More curious than anything.

Thanks! :thumbup:
 
I have carried the small mountaineer and the skinner on 8 trips to Alaska. That's 80 days in the mountains chasing sheep, brown bear , moose, black bear.. and I always felt comforatble that I had the proper tools with me..Same guide on all the hunts.. After the first hunt he never asked me again to include the knives as part of his tip. For a hunting knife they are a superb tool. I have gone a different direction with my knives these days but that is more in part to the knife addiction I have.. not because of CRK. That being said.. The new CRK fixed blade they are bringing out at the shot show is not my cup of tea.. I don't care for the price point of that knife.. I would rather own 2 Doziers, 2 Crotts, 2 Kreins for the price of that knife.. Even if it was half of the price I saw on the protos I would not be a buyer.. That's just me.. But CRK makes a heck of a knife and the one piece design was a winner..IMHO
 
missin_hobo said:
There's so much I want to say right now that I won't.
I'm getting sick of this. I don't mind the CRK-bashing, since it is reasonable to be critical of any and every knife producer, but this is going to go on forever.

People who trust CRK's reputation (not to mention their own experiences) vs. People who trust the videos. That's all.
I've chosen my side, and that's it. I'm out.
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Indeed, if I hadn't shaved my head thismorning I would be close to pulling my hair out. :p
 
chanwahyaoh said:
Definition of "virtually":adv.
  • In fact or to all purposes; practically: The city was virtually paralyzed by the transit strike.
  • Almost but not quite; nearly: "Virtually everyone gets a headache now and then" (People).
Indestructible = Incapable of being destroyed.
Defininition of "destroy":v.tr.
1. To ruin completely; spoil: The ancient manuscripts were destroyed by fire.
2. To tear down or break up; demolish. See Synonyms at ruin.
3. To do away with; put an end to: "In crowded populations, poverty destroys the possibility of cleanliness" (George Bernard Shaw).
4. To kill: destroy a rabid dog.
5. To subdue or defeat completely; crush: The rebel forces were destroyed in battle.
6. To render useless or ineffective: destroyed the testimony of the prosecution's chief witness.

v.intr. To be destructive; cause destruction: "Too much money destroys as surely as too little" (John Simon).
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Cute, but this doesn't address the issue. There are a wide variety of knives marketed for their toughness and marketed towards military/outdoorsmen. In many cases they knives are expressly advertised as extreme working tools made to take a certian amount of abuse.

By your own definition, something that is virtually indestructible is that which for all purposes is incapable of being destroyed. This has nothing to do with cutting ability and everything to do with not breaking.

Since we have a decent sample size of knives that have been destroyed, it is incorrect to say that the CRK is virtually indestructible since it faired terribly compared to other knives that lasted much much longer.



This is where the first listed definition of the word "virtually" becomes critical. In fact or to all purposes; practically. From your posts, it appears as though you're sticking with ONLY definition 2.

I damaged a knife and got a new one. Since I'm currently in posession of a fully functioning knife, it's practically as if it was never destroyed.

Therefore is it false advertising to say that it virtually cannot be destroyed?
Clever wordplay? Absolutely. False claims? No.
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As an attorney I can say with complete confidence that this isn't remotely close to how false advertising works.

As a knife enthusiast and outdoorsman I can say that this isn't at all what people think of when someone tells me something is "virtually indestructible".

Basically what you have just said is that its perfectly ok for CRK to make a bogus statement because they have wiggle room by parsing words and hedging definitions. Again I defer to the owners of RAT who state that the knife world is full of BS.


Nowhere does he make claims that the knives are unbreakable. In point of fact, there's a bullet point describing his policy for damaged knives - implicitly acknowledging the fact that they can indeed fail.
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I'll make this as simple as I can. I don't care whether you are using a sledge, a cinderblock, or a tractor trailer. If you advertise a knife as virtually indestructable it shouldn't break when being batoned into wood. Period.
 
What I think is funny is that I've seen at least as many broken knives from another manufacturer that is held in high regards, but nobody seems to care about that. Those knives were quickly replaced and everyone said hurray! I even had to send back a knife to that particular manufacturer for a flaw in the steel. So, for those that want to excuse CRK fixed blades as junk because of a few intentionally broken knives, you should probably excuse this other manufacturer, too, because those were legitimate flaws in the metal. Don't bother asking me who this other manufacturer is, because I've intentionally not mentioned their name, nor do I intend to.

Missin Hobo has got it right:

"People who trust CRK's reputation (not to mention their own experiences) vs. People who trust the videos. That's all.
I've chosen my side, and that's it. I'm out. "

Chris Reeve knives didn't get where they are by making knives that easily break.
 
dl351 said:
What I think is funny is that I've seen at least as many broken knives from another manufacturer that is held in high regards, but nobody seems to care about that.
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Lets hear the manufacturer because it makes a big difference in how the knives are marketed.


Don't bother asking me who this other manufacturer is, because I've intentionally not mentioned their name, nor do I intend to.
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Then the point is invalid because I'm willing to bet that said manufacturer makes no claims about destructability.



"People who trust CRK's reputation (not to mention their own experiences) vs. People who trust the videos. That's all.
I've chosen my side, and that's it. I'm out. "

Chris Reeve knives didn't get where they are by making knives that easily break.
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Thats all well and good, but this statement is largely conjecture. Like it or not, a large portion of knives purchased are safe queens. The higher the price the more likely this is. Of people that use their knives, rarely do they actually use them in hard use situations. Don't get me wrong, other knife manufacturers are equally as susceptible to this, but it is a fact.

So its silly to say that people should discount what they have seen with their own eyes and put their faith in hearsay that may or may not be true.
 
I love CRK knives and I'm not bashing them. I have a Mnandi in my pocket and it's the one! But if I could change one thing about CRK it would be to have Bos HT their blades.
 
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