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CRK Heat Treat
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no flame war intended but isn't striders s30v with a bos type of heat treat 61 or so, I've never had any issues with it chipping or rolling and IMO its the best s30v on the market in terms of performance; yes its a bit harder to sharpen, but thats the least of my concerns.
I would like to see CRK either do a HT like the strider s30v or go back to BG42 or even up to ZDP like the william henry's.
I would like to see CRK either do a HT like the strider s30v or go back to BG42 or even up to ZDP like the william henry's.
By that last question in the poll, am I a fool for holding out hope that CRK will change away from the excremental S30V and return to my beloved BG42?
Will there be a professional soldier in this steel with a flat grind, be still my beating heart?
If you guys insist on staying away from the BG42, then get rid of the S30V altogether and make your blades from A2, give them an E-nickel finish and be done with it.
Will there be a professional soldier in this steel with a flat grind, be still my beating heart?
If you guys insist on staying away from the BG42, then get rid of the S30V altogether and make your blades from A2, give them an E-nickel finish and be done with it.
This is the quintessential S30V experience in a nutshell. You will not improve this about S30V by changing the heat treat due to the base molecular structure of the steel itself.
I don't have that issue with the stuff by strider; so i'd disagree that it can't be addressed by the HT.
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I mean this in a friendly tone - I'm not from CRK, but I've read a lot here, and yes, I'm afraid to say that the answer to your first question is yes. If/when they change, it will be to some other, newer stainless, but it doesn't look like it would be safe to hold your breath waiting.
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IMO a folder's blade should be treated as hard as is reasonably possible. I would like to see CRK take the HRC of the S30V up to 59.5/60 but that is probably as wishful as expecting latrobe to play nice with the knife industry.
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S30V has been good for me BG42 is good....i am fine with S30V....Have broken spyderco's and benchmades....never broken a Reeve & hardness is perfect (IMO).
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the last 2 i remember...one broke opening a oyster and one opening a bag of ice....nuthin i don't do with reeves.
If the Sebs were made any harder, then they wouldn't be useful as hard use knives.
I personally, don't use my Seb hard, but CR would have to deal with MANY more guarantee issues if the Sebs chipped.
Personally, I'd prefer that it roll, rather than chip, although I voted for BG42
I personally, don't use my Seb hard, but CR would have to deal with MANY more guarantee issues if the Sebs chipped.
Personally, I'd prefer that it roll, rather than chip, although I voted for BG42
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the heat treat on crk has always been an issue with myself. 6 months back i commented although crk used decent alloys i thought the heattreat was not optimun. it raised a firestrom of negative comments with most members saying i didnt know how to sharpen a knife. 2 weeks ago i gave a mint jyd to a friend for helping me with a computer. the jyd had been beveled back for a better slicing edge & a week later he said it was dull, i asked if he had tried to sharpen it & he said no. my thought was as always crt had poor heat treat. the only knife they made that i could get to keep an edge was their apache in ats34 yrs. back.this buddy has been using a b.m. for 4 months so he has something to compare the crt with. my collector --dealer friend says the same thing about crt. as always i'm not about being popular but i try to be correct in my info. i still do'nt look to crt for performance.so go ahead & stomp your feet & shout .i still am not impressed with crt.
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look dont take this as a trolling statement or me trying to start a fight.
Strider heat treats S30V to 59.5/60 and I have found that their blades do not chip when cutting pressurized wood. Or any other sorts of crap I have in my back yard (Ive hit rocks, it dulls the edge but doesnt chip it).
That is just my anecdotal evidence, and personally I would like to see CRK bump up the hardness to that range because I think similar results could be expected. I would always use a knife that is so thin at the edge a bit differently, regardless of hardness.
Again I like CRK, I think that they make a phenomenal product that actually puts other knives to shame, but boy would I be happy if they bumped up the hardness a little bit.
YOU BETTER CUT THAT OUT!
Nah.. I understand, and you make some good points.
However... can Strider knives really compare to CRK since the geometry is usually very thick?
Also, I notice that you didn't mention that your Strider edges roll either.
We're talking about maximum lateral stress (I think) between the point that causes chipping or rolling.
Since heating treating isn't always 100% accurate (ie... hotter in the middle of the oven, possibly colder on the edge of the oven),
CRK has to err slightly to the softer side.
I have seen threads where people have chipped their Striders. It's been a while, and I don't know if they were Bos treated or not.
(search for "skinny chinese kid" you'll get a laugh)
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Thanks for your input, this is an interesting thread! :thumbup:
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You mention "crt" and "Apache" -- I'm surmising that you're comments refer to Columbia River Knife and Tool (CRKT), since I've seen reference to a CRKT model named "Apache". Are you trying to make a point about CRK (Chris Reeve Knives) products, or CRKT product?
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No, not really. Different grinds, different factory bevels, etc. My point was more to the fact that you can treat S30V harder than 58-59 and still have a tough as nails knife. I do honestly believe that at a higher HRC, even given the deep hollow grind and 30 degree edge angle, you would have a tough enough edge for any pocket knife stuff. The reason I say that is the way CRK did BG-42.
Also, check out this text from Chris Reeve's website abot BG-42:
http://www.chrisreeve.com/presswork.htm said:
Do we have any reason to believe S30V is not tough enough to handle the same? Every press release I've ever seen for S30V says it's tough stuff and that's been my experience too.
Have had a one instance of a rolled edge on my Strider I guess; as mentioned I hit a rock once, got a nice shiny spot on the blade but nothing too serious. Sharpened out really easily. Can't speak for everyone, of course. I was really impressed with how it performed after cutting that super hard wood, loses the razer sharpness that can pop hairs after a while but has a working edge that can scrape hairs (is this still shaving? I think most people would say it is) for a really long time. Next time I get my mitts on a sebenza (dont own one currently, have owned 2 in the past), I will try the same thing side by side. I ultimately couldnt afford to keep both a sebenza and the SnG being unemployed so...