CRK knockoffs - buyers beware

You are wrong.

Am i wrong, or was this thread created as a place to post places to avoid, who are selling fake CRK's?

I, for one, would like to know who might be trying to pass off a Chris Reeve copy as an original(especially if they want CRK price!!).


This thread was created as a "heads up" that nefarious scoundrels will counterfeit/knock off/copy CR knives, and we, as honest knife-maker supporting junkies should be on the look out for said counterfeits/knock offs/copies and report any findings to CRK.



Hey everybody, since a lot of us don't normally check the sticky's I thought I would sort of re-hash what was just posted by CRK:

Quote:
All,

First of all, I’d like to thank everyone that has pointed out knock offs of CRK products. Combating counterfeiting of our products is an important objective at Chris Reeve Knives. Counterfeiters mislead you, our customers, illegally profit at the expense of CRK, and affect the entire economy through lost revenues and taxes. Without a doubt, the high quality materials, exceptional reliability, critical design aspects, and workmanship embodied in genuine Chris Reeve Knives products are greatly degraded in counterfeit products. We have observed counterfeit quality to be consistently poor, and such knives could, therefore, endanger the user by failing in a critical use situation.

The counterfeiting ranges from unethical, but legal copying, to illegal intellectual property infringement. I’d encourage continued reporting of any CRK knock offs that you see by sending us an email at crkinfo@chrisreeve.com, so we can investigate.


Thank you for your continued support!

Dave


Just to make certain none of us buys one of these knockoffs why don't we go ahead and also post the links here so that we too can see where not to buy from.

This is a very simple concept, and should hold true for any reputable maker. And I agree with Esav...your worth here IS determined by what you have bought, what you have now, and what you intend on buying.

It ain't rocket science!
 
I actually enjoy the arrival of the occasional troll, especially the clueless sort. Imagine anyone saying CRK also copies from previous work. Chris Reeve is one of the most innovative knifemakers in business today. The titanium framelock has become a major class of tactical folder. The One-piece line is all but unique as a production success. And his continual awards for manufacuring excellence are also an inspiration to the rest of the industry.
 
What ??? This is Bladeforums! Of course your human worth is determined by what kind of knife you have.
Actions? Actions? What does that have to do with anything? It's the knife in your pocket that matters.

Well said, sir, well said. :D
 
Trek,
I did read what you wrote.
Cool. Then please don't accuse me of being pro counterfeiting by inference .... although you did not do so directly.

I am simply making the point that in this time and culture counterfeiting is wrong.
The fact that you keep mentioning counterfeiting in this manner implies that I think it's correct.

If it is wrong, then it makes sense that we wouldn't want to buy knock offs.
Knockoffs are not necessarily counterfeits.

I am not going to waste any more time explaining it to you. If you continue to mischaracterize my ops and go off on what I consider insulting tangents i'll simply cease responding to you.

Do you want to discuss the issues as per the OP's first post and my On Topic replies or would you prefer that I simply ignore you?

Ad hominem? C'mon. I never insulted you.

I'm afraid so. Thinly veiled but a personal attack all the same.

However, I am willing to take your word for it that no harm was meant. If you're willing to concede that I made it clear that I certainly didn't want anyone to think I was talking down to them (ie; condescension).

You want to know our thoughts and why we wouldn't buy a copycat.

Exactly; I want to know what you think about what I wrote.

OTOH, I do not want to waste my time arguing about your tone and manner.

It's not right.
I'll ask you once again: Why isn't it right?

Please stop asking us to go back and read what you wrote or to respond to what you wrote not what we think you mean. If we misunderstand, clarify.
Unless english is not your native language you have no excuse for not understanding. I have written simply and provided definitions. What do you not understand?

And stop calling us "brother" when you attach it to condescending remarks, please.
I'll certainly stop calling you brother. I do not wish to annoy you.

As for condescension: There has been none on my account. Perhaps we do have a communication problem. Are you fluent in the English language?

We feel it's wrong to buy a knock off, that's all.
- OP
If that's all you have to say then I bid you good day.

Others who wish to engage in a civil exchange of views, (strongly worded discourse is ok w/me) are encouraged to reply.

Peace,

Richard.
 
If that's all you have to say then I bid you good day.

Others who wish to engage in a civil exchange of views, (strongly worded discourse is ok w/me) are encouraged to reply.

Peace,

Richard.

Will you stop hijaking my thread and go make one in Whine and Cheese where you can complain all you want about quality knockoff knives, I mean counterfeit knives :rolleyes:
 
Good post. It seems like Trek may have an agenda. Why is it that he thinks statements that question his "logic" are insults? :confused:
If you can't stay on topic don't bother to post. And take your insult elsewhere. Or is implying malevolent intent not an insult in your book?

makes great knives and I for one will not let the petty actions of some cheap copycat scum tarnish that fact. I can thank this forum and CRK for offering something in the knife world for me to work towards. :thumbup:
More off topic remarks.

And as you know: I made it clear that I thought CRK makes good stuff.

As for cheap copycat scum: Who might that be? You do realize that CRK has made cheap(er) knives which copy other designs? In fact given the production nature of CRk knives .... they could mostly be considered cheap in comparison to custom maker offerings.

So are you accusing CRK of being unethical? Or even scum? If so .... I have nothing more to say to you.

I hope to some day afford a Sebenza or a Mnandi. I simply love the designs of his folders knowing that others are copying the designs of CRK is dissappointing.
You know that others are doing so? Ok, please give us examples. And while you're at it please explain why it's ok for CRK to copy other people's work?

Whenever my funds amount to a sum large enough to buy some made by CRK I will certainly buy from a respected, well known dealer.
Do you mean that you don't own any knives? If you do i'd like to know what they are so I can show that you too have bought copies of other people's work. Does that make you some kind of scum? I don't freakin think so. So why call your brothers and sisters scum unjustifiably?

I also find it dissapointing that Trek seems to think buying counterfeit knives is OK
That's a lie and you know it. Either learn to read, admit you understood me and are just trolling or go away.

and that he thinks CRK has copied the designs of others.
Of course they have. And you know it. No one could be so foolish as to think otherwise.

I do know that Chris Reeve wrote the book on frame lock folder and makes the most consistently reliable semi-custom folding knives in the world.:)
Another off topic reply.

You too shall be ignored if you refuse to stay on topic. And if on topic and you continue to lie and insult .... likewise.

BTW, your conduct (and i mean all of you who are behaving dishonorably) does CRK a disservice. You make it look like CRK supporters are liars and so lacking in cogent argument all they can do is engage in personal attacks.

Your tactics are probably designed to cause the moderators to close this topic. Which will cause me to start another and another and another. Each one bringing up different points so as not to run afoul of the rules.

Now can we please discuss the issues in a calm, civil, open and honest manner? Or are CRK supporters so afraid of this topic that they'll do just about anything to avoid the issues?

I'll leave you with one last thought: Cheap knives are a huge percentage of the market. All of them are copies of each other and/or prior art. All of them. When you speak of "cheap copycat scum" you speak of tens of thousands of honorable persons trying to make an honest living. And millions of knife owners who for one reason or another buy cheaper knives.

Way to go .... insult the *Vast Majority* of the knife manufacturers and the *Vast Majority* of the buying public.

Peace,

Richard.
 
Am i wrong, or was this thread created as a place to post places to avoid, who are selling fake CRK's?

Nice try (naaah, not really) but unfortunately the thread starter quoted CRK's description which speaks of more than just the foul counterfeiting that may go on. And the thread starter did *not* ask us to post links to counterfeiters. No he asked us to post links to knockoffs in order to start an unjust and possibly illegal boycott.

So quit evading the issues and trying to get this thread closed/deleted!

I'll ask you directly: Why should we vilify honest and honorable people all over the world who are legally copying and selling knives?

Or do you simply not understand the difference between counterfeits and knockoffs?

I, for one, would like to know who might be trying to pass off a Chris Reeve copy as an original(especially if they want CRK price!!).

So would I but that is not what the OP said the topic of this thread is.

Unless you admit that you want to address the issues the thread starter raised when he quoted CRK's post and used it to incorrectly ask for a boycott of the many good hard working folk who are *not* engaged in counterfeiting!

Which is exactly what I am doing: Addressing the issues the thread starter brought up.

Now, if you want to start a thread strictly about identifying and boycotting counterfeiters I am with you 100%!!!

Peace,

Richard.
 
This message is hidden because TrekWalker is on your ignore list.

I think I've heard enough of your long-winded rationalizations for your moral ineptitude.
 
Nice try (naaah, not really) but unfortunately the thread starter quoted CRK's description which speaks of more than just the foul counterfeiting that may go on. And the thread starter did *not* ask us to post links to counterfeiters. No he asked us to post links to knockoffs in order to start an unjust and possibly illegal boycott.

So quit evading the issues and trying to get this thread closed/deleted!

I'll ask you directly: Why should we vilify honest and honorable people all over the world who are legally copying and selling knives?

Or do you simply not understand the difference between counterfeits and knockoffs?



So would I but that is not what the OP said the topic of this thread is.

Unless you admit that you want to address the issues the thread starter raised when he quoted CRK's post and used it to incorrectly ask for a boycott of the many good hard working folk who are *not* engaged in counterfeiting!

Which is exactly what I am doing: Addressing the issues the thread starter brought up.

Now, if you want to start a thread strictly about identifying and boycotting counterfeiters I am with you 100%!!!

Peace,

Richard.

I did ask that you stop hijaking my thread and leave it be for those of us who don't wish to support knockoff, counterfeit, fake, immitations of CRK.

Make your own thread, troll :thumbdn:
 
Honestly, it would seem to be an effort to stir the passion of CRK collectors.<snip>

Well done Bill. A cogent argument stated in a civil manner. TAM!

As for the OP's original intent? Well, he can speak for himself and he did not do so when challenged. We have to read what he wrote and take it literally. IOW, we are not mind readers.

And let's not forget that CRK's post (quoted by the OP and used to justify his own thread) is filled with Marketing Hype.

Education? That's what i'm here for. To learn. And also to teach. So far what we are being taught is filled with misrepresentation and rabble rousing. I'm only trying to teach my brothers and sisters to question and make up their own minds based on the best info available.

Let's stick to the facts as we know them. Discuss those facts. And educate ourselves.

And whenever someone calls for a boycott .... let's educate ourselves as to the person's intent and whether or not it's justified.

In this case it's not only not justified but it's total BS: An unjustified attack on the entire knife industry with emphasis on affordable knife makers and buyers.

CRK may or may not agree with the OP but they should explain themselves because so far all we have is insults and rants from CRK fans and we cannot determine CRK's intent from their fans alone.

CRK opened this kettle of worms .... here. It's only right that they explain themselves .... here.

BTW, it should come as no surprise that I am a CRK supporter but not a blind follower. In fact I deplore the marketing methods CRK often use (along with other companies, not CRK only)

Peace,

Richard.
 
Well done Bill. A cogent argument stated in a civil manner. TAM!

As for the OP's original intent? Well, he can speak for himself and he did not do so when challenged. We have to read what he wrote and take it literally. IOW, we are not mind readers.

And let's not forget that CRK's post (quoted by the OP and used to justify his own thread) is filled with Marketing Hype.

Education? That's what i'm here for. To learn. And also to teach. So far what we are being taught is filled with misrepresentation and rabble rousing. I'm only trying to teach my brothers and sisters to question and make up their own minds based on the best info available.

Let's stick to the facts as we know them. Discuss those facts. And educate ourselves.

And whenever someone calls for a boycott .... let's educate ourselves as to the person's intent and whether or not it's justified.

In this case it's not only not justified but it's total BS: An unjustified attack on the entire knife industry with emphasis on affordable knife makers and buyers.

CRK may or may not agree with the OP but they should explain themselves because so far all we have is insults and rants from CRK fans and we cannot determine CRK's intent from their fans alone.

CRK opened this kettle of worms .... here. It's only right that they explain themselves .... here.

BTW, it should come as no surprise that I am a CRK supporter but not a blind follower. In fact I deplore the marketing methods CRK often use (along with other companies, not CRK only)

Peace,

Richard.

Will you stop talking about the "OP" like I'm not here :rolleyes: This is the Chris Reeve Knives Forum, where people who own, wish to own, or like chris reeve knives come to chat, discuss, and learn about CRK. When you call CRK, you get a person who answers any and all questions you have. If your knife needs refurbishing, all you have to do is send it in and it's fixed with no questions asked. CRK has great customer service, excellent products, and a great reputation. This forum and thread is for those of us who don't want to buy a knife posing as a CRK and get ripped off.

If you would like an example, there are emerson knives that get immitated by a company in china which actually stamps the blade exactly like the real thing and try to sell them off at the same price point. You wouldn't want to be tricked into spending $385.00 on a Sebenza only to find out when you get it that it is a fake/immitation/counterfeit/whatever you call it.

This thread was meant to help other knife enthusiasts who buy quality products and want the real deal.

Now, go away and make your own thread.
 
You sound like a broken record who keeps contradicting himself.
Please correct me by showing where I have contradicted myself. TIA.


In this thread it is "understood" that knockoff and counterfeit are one in the same. Maybe not in the english dictionary which you keep referring to, but it is just like the silent "K" in the word knife, it's not said, but it is understood to be there.
You can't be serious.

Please stop ruining my thread with your babbling, and don't take my sentences apart piece by piece either.
You are ruining your own thread by engaging in ad hominem attacks. You can be sure that any more attacks will result in your posts herein being ignored.

Furthermore I will certainly examine what you wrote in detail and show you the courtesy of replying to any and all points you make (excepting further insults of course).


CRK makes and designs his own knives.
How do you know this? Or are you once again misusing the English language in order to deceive?

And you once again fail to reply to any of my points. In this case the unimpeachable fact that CRK's knives are copies of other knives.

I believe you are mistaking Cold Steel with Chris Reeve Knives.
And now you accuse Cold Steel of counterfeiting! Are you daft!!!!

Note: I snipped Batosai117's Off Topic insults and will report his post to the Mods.

Peace,

Richard.
 
I actually enjoy the arrival of the occasional troll, especially the clueless sort. Imagine anyone saying CRK also copies from previous work. Chris Reeve is one of the most innovative knifemakers in business today. The titanium framelock has become a major class of tactical folder. The One-piece line is all but unique as a production success. And his continual awards for manufacuring excellence are also an inspiration to the rest of the industry.
So now *you* call me a troll. Hilarious Esav. You are such a mensch.

Tell you what; point me to any knife CRK have ever produced and i'll gladly show you why it's a copy. But you know this already .... which is why you join the real trolls and initiate an unjustified personal attack in lieu of cogent argument.

Whether or not CRK is innovative is not in question. I have neither said nor implied otherwise .... as you should know. Or haven't you read what I wrote ether? The point (in this limited context) is that CRK and the OP accuse honest and open competition of illegal and unethical conduct and call for boycotts. While every single knife CRK have ever made is a copy of previous work.

As for your examples of innovation: Irrelevant and completely Off Topic! Simply coming up with something presumably new doesn't change the fact that every knife CRK sell (no, i won't say make because i do not know that they do make all the knives they sell) copies elements from other knives. Making them copies by definition.

And awards are also Off Topic.

This is ridiculous. A moderator arrives. Begins by initiating unjustified insults. Goes on an Off Topic tangent. All in order to defend a company who is not truly under attack.

The only thing in question is CRK's marketing hype which contains a general attack on honest competition and of course the OP's even more vicious unjustifiable attacks based on CRK's calling of the rabble.

For example: His most recent naming of Cold Steel as counterfeiters.

So who do we report you to Esav? Spark? Or the many knife makers and owners who have been vilified in this thread by you and your ilk?

Peace,

Richard.
 
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