CRK knockoffs - buyers beware

Esav Benyamin said:
Examples, please.
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I'll allow you to choose any CRK you wish. But i'll simply pick the first on CRK's website: The Green Beret. And the first price on a google search: $289.00 @knifecenter.

It should go w/o saying that the Green Beret is a patently obvious copy of previous knives. And @$289 certainly much cheaper than similar custom knives.

Esav are you sure you read my previous posts? Because if you had you would know that your position is indefensible. There is no knife being sold today that does not contain similarities to previously made knives. And you also should know that the word cheap and cheaper, taken in their proper context, clearly allude to similar knives that are far more expensive.

Ergo: It is patently ridiculous to claim that CRK knives are not copies and that some CRK knives are also not cheaper than others which are also similar and made prior to CRK's offering.

BTW: Do I have to post the definition of copy again?

Well, at least this post of yours is not insulting and is on topic.

Peace,

Richard.
 
And this post of yours is sophomoric. You are deliberately avoiding definitional consensus and using your own versions to pretend we are saying things we clearly are not.

Would you like me to to deconstruct your statements word by word? That would provide you the attention you're looking for.

Troll. I was right about that.
 
TrekWalker said:
Tell you what; point me to any knife CRK have ever produced and i'll gladly show you why it's a copy. But you know this already .... which is why you join the real trolls and initiate an unjustified personal attack in lieu of cogent argument.
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Please tell me what knife was copied in the designing of the Sebenza. Do not make the pathetic argument that the knife has design elements taken from previous designs. That is the case with all knives. Just because a maker produces a knife with a clip point does not make it a knockoff of previous knives that had clip points. What I want you to do is to show me the knife that CRK copied. The only way it is a knock-off or counterfeit is if it looks exactly like another knife, and I would like to see that knife.

The "Nothing new under the sun." argument is BS. It is the way a company/knifemaker combines the elements of a design that give that design originality.

So, show me the one knife that was copied to come up with the Sebenza.
 
TrekWalker said:
I'll allow you to choose any CRK you wish. But i'll simply pick the first on CRK's website: The Green Beret. And the first price on a google search: $289.00 @knifecenter.

It should go w/o saying that the Green Beret is a patently obvious copy of previous knives. And @$289 certainly much cheaper than similar custom knives.

Esav are you sure you read my previous posts? Because if you had you would know that your position is indefensible. There is no knife being sold today that does not contain similarities to previously made knives. And you also should know that the word cheap and cheaper, taken in their proper context, clearly allude to similar knives that are far more expensive.

Ergo: It is patently ridiculous to claim that CRK knives are not copies and that some CRK knives are also not cheaper than others which are also similar and made prior to CRK's offering.

BTW: Do I have to post the definition of copy again?

Well, at least this post of yours is not insulting and is on topic.

Peace,

Richard.
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what knife did the green beret copy?

similarities are not synonomous with copies.
 
As I indicated, he makes up his own idiosyncratic definitions, and then flames the rest of us for not abiding by them.
 
his posts are circular and undeniably muddled, to the point of being unreadable.

i read that last one three times, and can't make heads nor tails of it.

:confused:
 
TrekWalker said:
I'll allow you to choose any CRK you wish. But i'll simply pick the first on CRK's website: The Green Beret. And the first price on a google search: $289.00 @knifecenter.
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And your point?

TrekWalker said:
It should go w/o saying that the Green Beret is a patently obvious copy of previous knives. And @$289 certainly much cheaper than similar custom knives.
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It's not a copy, and it's a semi-custom, great price great knife.

TrekWalker said:
Esav are you sure you read my previous posts? Because if you had you would know that your position is indefensible. There is no knife being sold today that does not contain similarities to previously made knives. And you also should know that the word cheap and cheaper, taken in their proper context, clearly allude to similar knives that are far more expensive.
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You said it yourself, we're talking about people creating knives and claiming them to be the real deal and charging a price that could trick buyers into buying a knockoff/copy/counterfeit/fake knife. Similarities, yeah, there aren't that many configurations for a knife, drop point, clip point, spear point.....did I leave any out :confused: Of course some knives may appear to look similar, but CRK designs and makes their own stuff. If you've ever held a Sebenza you would understand that it is pure quality and backed by a great group of people.

TrekWalker said:
Ergo: It is patently ridiculous to claim that CRK knives are not copies and that some CRK knives are also not cheaper than others which are also similar and made prior to CRK's offering.
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So just because some of the CRK knives are less expensive they are copies in your opinion? If that were true then the only legitimate knife would be a $3000.00 custom :rolleyes:

TrekWalker said:
BTW: Do I have to post the definition of copy again?
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As to the second part that is in bold, NO, you don't have to post the definition of copy again. But I WILL say to Make Your Own Thread and get out of here. This thread was intended to be a forewarning to knife enthusiasts who don't want to buy knockoff/copy/counterfeit/fake versions of CRK.

TrekWalker said:
Well, at least this post of yours is not insulting and is on topic.
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Perhaps, but all of your posts in this thread have either countered themselves or were written in a condescending way, just like all of your posts.

TrekWalker said:
Peace,
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peace
noun,
1.The absence of war or other hostilities.
2.An agreement or a treaty to end hostilities.
3.Freedom from quarrels and disagreement; harmonious relations: roommates living in peace with each other.
4.Public security and order: was arrested for disturbing the peace.
5.Inner contentment; serenity: peace of mind.
INTERJECTION:

Used as a greeting or farewell, and as a request for silence

If by the way you have been acting is your version of "peace," then you sir are wrong to use it in the manner of which you have done.
 
TrekWalker said:
If you can't stay on topic don't bother to post. And take your insult elsewhere. Or is implying malevolent intent not an insult in your book?


More off topic remarks.

And as you know: I made it clear that I thought CRK makes good stuff.

As for cheap copycat scum: Who might that be? You do realize that CRK has made cheap(er) knives which copy other designs? In fact given the production nature of CRk knives .... they could mostly be considered cheap in comparison to custom maker offerings.

So are you accusing CRK of being unethical? Or even scum? If so .... I have nothing more to say to you.


You know that others are doing so? Ok, please give us examples. And while you're at it please explain why it's ok for CRK to copy other people's work?


Do you mean that you don't own any knives? If you do i'd like to know what they are so I can show that you too have bought copies of other people's work. Does that make you some kind of scum? I don't freakin think so. So why call your brothers and sisters scum unjustifiably?


That's a lie and you know it. Either learn to read, admit you understood me and are just trolling or go away.


Of course they have. And you know it. No one could be so foolish as to think otherwise.


Another off topic reply.

You too shall be ignored if you refuse to stay on topic. And if on topic and you continue to lie and insult .... likewise.

BTW, your conduct (and i mean all of you who are behaving dishonorably) does CRK a disservice. You make it look like CRK supporters are liars and so lacking in cogent argument all they can do is engage in personal attacks.

Your tactics are probably designed to cause the moderators to close this topic. Which will cause me to start another and another and another. Each one bringing up different points so as not to run afoul of the rules.

Now can we please discuss the issues in a calm, civil, open and honest manner? Or are CRK supporters so afraid of this topic that they'll do just about anything to avoid the issues?

I'll leave you with one last thought: Cheap knives are a huge percentage of the market. All of them are copies of each other and/or prior art. All of them. When you speak of "cheap copycat scum" you speak of tens of thousands of honorable persons trying to make an honest living. And millions of knife owners who for one reason or another buy cheaper knives.

Way to go .... insult the *Vast Majority* of the knife manufacturers and the *Vast Majority* of the buying public.

Peace,

Richard.
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Everything I said was sincere. Unless you want to be insulted, I will not insult you. CRK does not copy the designs of others, please understand that.

No, my "tactics" dont really exist. I made a sincere response to a subject that concerns me quite a bit. What I find more concerning is the fact that you still have not admitted that you are wrong about CRK and their supposed copying.

As for how many knives I own, that is not your business. Judging from your comments however, I can tell that I have not bought a production knife of any kind in over a year now. I love custom fixed blades. CRK will give me a chance to start with folders as well. I have used a very calm tone in all my posts. :)

And how are we acting disshonorably? You are the one supporting counterfeiters....... also, you seriously think that the mast majority of manufacturers are copying others work? Tell that to Kershaw, Spyderco, Benchmade, Fallkniven, Case, Ka-Bar, Moki, Mcusta, and others.

Lastly, to accuse me of trolling is just pathetic. My only hope is save enough money so I can start supporting one of the last truly amazing American knife makers!:thumbup::)
 
I think of a quality knife like a quality watch. We could all run down to Tijuana and buy a Rolex for $10. But what's the point? Its a POS, it will work like a POS, you will know its a POS, as will everyone else.

The last time I pulled out my Green Beret around someone who knew anything about knives, they said, "Oh my God, is that a Chris Reeve?" It was pretty cool to reply, "Why yes, it is. Would you like to see it?"

If a $10 Chris Reeve is your bag, go with it baby! Me? Naw, I'll save up a bit more for my first Sebbie. I KNOW it will last me a lifetime.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
And this post of yours is sophomoric. You are deliberately avoiding definitional consensus and using your own versions to pretend we are saying things we clearly are not.

Would you like me to to deconstruct your statements word by word? That would provide you the attention you're looking for.

Troll. I was right about that.
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Yep. My only hope is that he would stop interpretting everything we say as insulting. Although, that certainly does say a lot about how he interprets the world around him. I hope also, that he recognizes that CRK does NOT copy other knives.
 
When we say "copy another knife" we mean taking significant design elements from it. He means your knife has a blade and a handle, so it's a copy of previous knives. You can prove any point you like if you avoid defining the words you use clearly at the outset. This is why discussions with him go around in circles. That he attacks on all fronts at once instead of focusing on one point at a time also helps to confuse the issue, and keep the attention-fest going.
 
Trekwalker, just in case it isn't clear to you, another moderator, me, seconds Esav's opinion.

Troll for sure.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
What ??? This is Bladeforums! Of course your human worth is determined by what kind of knife you have.
Actions? Actions? What does that have to do with anything? It's the knife in your pocket that matters.

Say it loud --
I'm a S*e*b*e*n*z*a*n*i*s*t*a and PROUD !!!​
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Dork Striders > Sebbies. :p

In all seriousness I just felt like it needed to be said.
 
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