CS Beaver Tail

Thanks, I know I've been getting alot of flak for batoning with a knife you clearly shouldn't be batoning with, but in my opinion, there's no way any fixed blade knife should have failed that dramatically with the small amount of force I used. I was a little too optimistic about this knife and was nostalgic for some of the tough Cold Steel knives I've owned in the past...
 
pantucci said:
Thanks, I know I've been getting alot of flak for batoning with a knife you clearly shouldn't be batoning with, but in my opinion, there's no way any fixed blade knife should have failed that dramatically with the small amount of force I used. I was a little too optimistic about this knife and was nostalgic for some of the tough Cold Steel knives I've owned in the past...
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Don't pay much attention to the flak, brother. It's the internet. Everyone's got an opinion. ;)
 
I think they took my design !:eek:

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pantucci said:
Thanks, I know I've been getting alot of flak for batoning with a knife you clearly shouldn't be batoning with, but in my opinion, there's no way any fixed blade knife should have failed that dramatically with the small amount of force I used. I was a little too optimistic about this knife and was nostalgic for some of the tough Cold Steel knives I've owned in the past...
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What about batoning with Spyderco Bill Moran? ;) I wander what Spyderco customer service will look like...
I am not a CS fan. But I do not think Bill Moran would prove much better batoner.... :D
 
Poez said:
I am not a CS fan. But I do not think Bill Moran would prove much better batoner.... :D
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You are welcome to baton with any knife you are willing to throw in the trash. I've done it with three knives. If I had broken any of them I wouldn't have sent them to the maker because I knew it was abuse and any breakage would have been my fault.

Buy a Mora, baton it through a piece of straight white pine 2X4 and get it out of your system. Afterward, buy a froe or a hatchet.
 
Looks to me like you were twisting the blade. Blades crack like that from lateral force, not from perpendicular striking.

pantucci said:
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Did some LIGHT batoning and this thing busted on me the first day...
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I fell for a cheap painted slut and am ashamed, but when the day is done, I'm going back to my baby-- she fits in my pocket, can baton all day, every day, through anything, and customer service that stands behind her valiantly.

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Carbon steel vs stainless, no contest. Now go baton some dowel rods.
 
twid said:
Same here, carrying and using knives outdoor for 25 years I've never batoned or had the need to baton a piece of wood to make a fire. While we're at it I've never needed a fire steel either so I don't get the obsession with carrying one of those everywhere or the obsession of fuzzy sticks.
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I don't understand it either. The cutting edge on that knife is probably just 2.7", so it can only baton 2" sticks. When it comes to making fire, is burning 2" wood so much worse than burning 1" one?

I understand firesteel and fuzzy sticks. They're designed to provide fire when your match or lighter fails. That said, I have yet to see a $1 bic lighter fails on me.
 
As someone who can't stand LT, Cold Steel and their products, even I would not expect them to replace that knife.
 
Sep said:
I don't understand it either. The cutting edge on that knife is probably just 2.7", so it can only baton 2" sticks. When it comes to making fire, is burning 2" wood so much worse than burning 1" one?

I understand firesteel and fuzzy sticks. They're designed to provide fire when your match or lighter fails. That said, I have yet to see a $1 bic lighter fails on me.
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It's hard getting a fire started with wet 1" sticks....The point is to get a quantity of dry wood in the middle, particularly in wet conditions. You can even split much thicker logs with a small knife like an Izula. You can baton (OMG!) into it and then use a wood wedge to finish it. That's the beauty of a tough little pocket blade, when maybe thats all you have with you. You can bash on it, and it does the job. (Cold Steel aside, LOL), I want my carry knives to perform under harsh conditions, not just sit there and look pretty.
 
Take all opinions about use out of the equation and look at it from a strictly business standpoint.

When a customer takes the time to send a physical letter and returned product at their own cost.

IMHO it's in your best interest to send them a replacement with an appreciation/education type of letter.

What can it cost you...far less than a thread like this will.
 
A.P.F. said:
I think that the problem here, is that Cold Steel expects a modicum of intelligence from it's customer base.
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A requirement not expected from their marketing department.

" Fashioned from AUS 8A stainless steel and reflecting state of the art heat treatment they are honed to a razor edge and exhibit incredible toughness for such a small knife, due in part to their full tang construction. Tough, rough, and ready for anything"

The worlds strongest, sharpest knives (except this one).

I've batoned knives nearly half this thickness (1.5 mm vs. 2.5 mm) with MUCH harder steel, and impact much greater than the user describes with no problem. Some improvement of technique is probably warranted, but light batoning like the user describes (tippy tap type impacts relative to the 4 lb hammer I was using) should not have caused such a failure. If you need an easy to carry knife that cuts good and can withstand occasional light batoning, just get an Opinel.
 
Ryanol said:
Take all opinions about use out of the equation and look at it from a strictly business standpoint.

When a customer takes the time to send a physical letter and returned product at their own cost.

IMHO it's in your best interest to send them a replacement with an appreciation/education type of letter.

What can it cost you...far less than a thread like this will.
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:thumbup: Disappointing to hear that they didn't replace it.
 
me2 said:
A requirement not expected from their marketing department.

" Fashioned from AUS 8A stainless steel and reflecting state of the art heat treatment they are honed to a razor edge and exhibit incredible toughness for such a small knife, due in part to their full tang construction. Tough, rough, and ready for anything"

The worlds strongest, sharpest knives (except this one).

I've batoned knives nearly half this thickness (1.5 mm vs. 2.5 mm) with MUCH harder steel, and impact much greater than the user describes with no problem. Some improvement of technique is probably warranted, but light batoning like the user describes (tippy tap type impacts relative to the 4 lb hammer I was using) should not have caused such a failure. If you need an easy to carry knife that cuts good and can withstand occasional light batoning, just get an Opinel.
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Sage advice. I have many Opinels and they never cease to satisfy. A No.12 Carbon makes an excellent bush carry.
 
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