CS- love 'em, hate 'em- time to address some issues

When someone says that everything CS makes is crap its true. All they make is crappy videos. The rest of the stuff in their inventory is just stuff they market because that is all they are: a marketing company. I have nothing against the knives really. Some of them are actually pretty nice Camillus made knives and some are very nice Japanese Seki City productions that are hard to find fault with. I just refuse to buy anymore of them or support LT. In my opinion they've earned enough off of me over the years. I'm moving on to other knives I feel better about when I purchase them.

I read once where Sal said Lynn was pretty sensitive to issues regarding others property and designs but if that were true I think he would have contacted Ernie about the Wave use and video demo use whether it was necessary or not. If for no other reason at least just because he knew about the words Ernie had with Andrew Demko at the Blade show in 2004. This is something which I'm sure Lynn knew about since he was also there at the show and worked closely with Andrew. I know for a fact that Lynn did not talk to Ernie about using the Wave or the video demo because Ernie told me so. To me that is anything but being sensitive to others property.

It has been said that Lynn is smart. Well, ok I'll give him that. I'll also say that being 'smart' you can't tell me that he doesn't know when he crosses the line in both his hype advertising and claims and in the way he really walks a fine line with others intellectual property. He knows full well and that is one of the reasons I have nothing to do with him anymore.

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DngrRuss1 said:
I can’t speak for other knife companies, but I know that at CS it usually takes at least 2 or 3 years for a knife to go from drawing board to production.
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DngrRuss1 said:
The patent is owned by Andrew Demko, and CS has licensed that patent for use on those 2 knives.
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DngrRuss1 said:
BTW- my understanding is that Demko has received certification of patent from the patent office and that the number itself is still pending, the number only.
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Am I alone in having some difficulty reconciling those statements? If he's just now receiving this mysterious patent, and it takes 2-3 years to go from design to production on a CS knife, then... well, you draw your own conclusion.
 
patents take time to get also. They don't just hand them out like popcorn. Good thread and some good info and some not so good info so far.
 
I think this guy is a CS rep. and is shilling for them.

I think this guy has no clue as to what he is talking about in regards to Demko.

I think he should just shut up before the hole gets deeper.

I think this can all be cleared up with a call or email to Andrew which I will do shortly after I post this.
 
I think DngrRuss1 has shook up a hornets nest. Something I'm sure was not his intent. He originally made reference to our not having the facts right about CS. I have started to wonder if he has his facts straight.
 
Whether what DngrRuss1 has posted is true or not, I have never heard any of those statements before. I hope he can come back and we can give him some questions and he can just give us some straight answers without everyone getting agressive.
 
It would appear that Cold Steel is out in left field, out of touch and behind the times. That seems to be Cold Steel's way which explaines why they have been a bit of a black sheep in the industry since day one. They do offer some interesting things that no one else does which is my main reason these days for visiting there website. Once in a while something grabs me the laredo bowie is an example. I used to think of them as a "Go to" company but not that much anymore. There are better values out there again what can I say.
 
I just got off the phone with Andrew. The following information I am providing here is fact.

1. Andrew put in for a patent on his opening device prior to be being approached by Emerson at Blade 2004.

2. He was approached by Cold Steel to buy the AK-47 design from him using his opening device. His custom version had no given name. CS tagged it as such.

3. His patent was issued a number on Dec. 31, 2005. He still has not made a knife with his opening device since. It will be on the books shortly.

4. He is designing knives for Cold Steel.

5. He was unaware of some people's dislike of CS.

So there you have it.
 
K.V. Collucci said:
I just got off the phone with Andrew. The following information I am providing here is fact.

He is designing knives for Cold Steel.

He was unaware of some people's dislike of CS.

So there you have it.
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He is obviously a talented knife designer. Another company should snatch him up. Seems to me that he should have the privledge to make his designs and not CS.
 
3. His patent was issued a number on Dec. 31, 2005. He still has not made a knife with his opening device since. It will be on the books shortly.
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That makes total sense. I checked that date on USPTO's database, and it doesn't show any patents at all (for that date or any dates around that time). This means that their complete database isn't up to date yet, and it probably wouldn't show up on any searches. I'll have to check back later to see the details whenever they update their online database.

Interesting. I'll take back my skepticism on the patent's existence.
 
So far, my standing with Cold Steel has not changed. If anything, it has become even more negative with the new knowledge recently attained.
 
DngrRuss1 said:
I do not know how much BM, Spyderco, Emerson, etc., has given to our military (as an example), but I do know that they would be hard pressed to match the donations of product that CS has given over the years to the military.
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If you do not know, why did you make the accusations against "BM, Spyderco, Emerson, etc"?

I do know Spyderco employees donated their own time making free knives for solders in the desert.

I stopped buying CS knives when the company became hypocritical. Honor and hypocrisy are mutually exclusive. One past issue that has not come up is where LT bashed knife companies for using the liner lock, then started using it. You've tried to spin the 420 steel, copying Brian Tighe's knife and the kerambit, but you sound like a politician or a lawyer. These are two of the least trusted groups of people. Most people don't like spin because they feel like they are being lied to.

You may want to reconsider how your words are being interpreted and rethink your approach unless you are achieving the results you want.
 
DngrRuss1 said:
You know, you're right. What a fool I have been. Here I thought the members of BF wanted intelligent discourse and maybe even some facts and inside information on knife companies and their prectices.
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I'm a hater. :D

Let me think about this... Do I trust the 55,000-plus BladeForums members who have reached a general consensus that (with a few exceptions, SRK, Voyager, yadda yadda yadda) Cold Steel's products are overhyped and mediocre? Or do I trust the guy who shows up to tell us all we're biased and stupid, and that Cold Steel is a stand-up company that would never dream of exaggeration or intellecual theft?

Gee. Hmmm. :rolleyes:
 
Chuck Bybee said:
If you do not know, why did you make the accusations against "BM, Spyderco, Emerson, etc"?

I do know Spyderco employees donated their own time making free knives for solders in the desert.

I stopped buying CS knives when the company became hypocritical. Honor and hypocrisy are mutually exclusive. One past issue that has not come up is where LT bashed knife companies for using the liner lock, then started using it. You've tried to spin the 420 steel, copying Brian Tighe's knife and the kerambit, but you sound like a politician or a lawyer. These are two of the least trusted groups of people. Most people don't like spin because they feel like they are being lied to.

You may want to reconsider how your words are being interpreted and rethink your approach unless you are achieving the results you want.
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I said that I could not speak for any other company with regard to donations. Why can I not speak for them? Simple, I do not know. HOW IS THAT AN INDICTMENT OF THOSE COMPANIES? This is exactly what I am ranting about. I say something positive about CS and you say I was saying something negative about everybody else. Talk about spin...
 
BuckyKatt said:
I'm a hater. :D

Let me think about this... Do I trust the 55,000-plus BladeForums members who have reached a general consensus that (with a few exceptions, SRK, Voyager, yadda yadda yadda) Cold Steel's products are overhyped and mediocre? Or do I trust the guy who shows up to tell us all we're biased and stupid, and that Cold Steel is a stand-up company that would never dream of exaggeration or intellecual theft?

Gee. Hmmm. :rolleyes:
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You will notice that I have not said one word about anyone else's product quality.

I know many of you do not like the DVD and like to use words like "hype". It is rather a simple message that is sent- "here is what our products can do. Time for everyone else to step up to the plate."

Lots of you think that their favorite company should not rise to the bait. Fine. They don't have to. But understand that the DVD is made to promote CS products. You don't like it, fine. You want to call it hype, be sure you clearly define hype. Are you saying that the knives won't do what the company says? If so- tell them that.

If you think that, "my favorite knife can do the same," fine- prove it. You want to throw out accusations and name call- why not try to back it up with some facts. I am trying to do so- how 'bout you guys?
 
Chuck Bybee said:
you sound like a politician or a lawyer

You may want to reconsider how your words are being interpreted and rethink your approach unless you are achieving the results you want.
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Why? Because I can tear apart someone else's arguments and statements and point out that there is an altetnative view? Maybe the very narrow way you and many other members see things might actually be wrong?

Pardon me for actually being able to form thoughts into compllete sentences and be willing to make statements that I will back up.
 
I once broke a Randel M1 8", trying to chop a sick roosters head of on an old stump. No shit....ask Bo's son, I am sure he remembers. They made good and sent me a new one. I am not bashing them, but the point is my 12 year old LTC has yet to fail me. It has chopped alot more brush and wood than most knives ever will, I can TRUST IT. Say what you want about CS, but I have yet to have a problem with thier stuff, my Benchmade AFCK fell apart in the front pocket of my jeans in the dryer! As far as LT goes, are you seriously saying he's got a bigger ego that EE? The baddest martial blackbelt ninja that ever existed? I am sorry but his Bio and claims of his knives ultimate toughness without any type of proof other than him saying so turned me off quick, and I went to the site to buy one of his blades because of the reputation.
 
The claims made on the DVD are hype. Nothing done on the DVD is covered under the warranty. In fact doing anything from the video will void the warranty, that makes the DVD little more then a staged stunt show.
 
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