CS Recon Scout Fails Miserably

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Outdoors Fanatic said:
So that means the "World's Strongest, Sharpest Knives" are only delicate slicing instruments which cannot handle outdoor/survival tasks?
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time and place for everything . Looking at the size of the LOG round that the OP is abusing his knife in, factoring in that the weather was sub zero (and hence the cells of the wood are also frozen) and that the person was hitting the knife with an heavy impact tool..........begs the question of why an axe was'nt used. Thats what a splitting axe is FOR......splitting log rounds. Save the knife for splitting small sticks and making fuzzies.

again, just my personal observation and opinion. I would'nt treat my tools like the OP did, i'd grab the axe or my splitting wedge and mallet and split wood that way. YMMV
 
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bearcut said:
I live, camp and work in very cold environments, and I always take into account what freezing temps can do to objects, especially metal. Pushing the envelope is foolhardy and arrogant. It's pretty hard to get a warranty replacement when you're dead because of your own stupidity. And yes, I own some of the 'toughest' knives made. I still wouldn't smack them on the spine with a hammer in freezing temperatures.
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This totally flies in the face of the "it must be able to cut through I-beams in case a building falls on you" school of thought on knives. Which is all fine and good for the folk that like that sort of thing.
 
razorsdescent said:
this may be an innapropraite post but y did cliff get banned? he was certainly opinionated but also knowledgeable. what did i miss?

a link or two would be nice.
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No links since I'm lazy, but the short of it is he personally insulted the forum Owner/operator, after being warned more than once to play nice.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
Cold Steel does not manufacture knives. They design and sell them. I believe Camillus manufactures the Carbon V knives out of the same or similar steel they use for the Becker line.

I can't see what he was using to hammer with. I agree with Ebbtide that a metal hammer is inappropriate. Batonning with a piece of wood instead is much safer. Batonning carefully can even be done safely with a strong folder.

These are not knives with a known history of failure. I'm glad he sent it back to them but I don't see this failure as typical. High carbon steel is more likely to hold up under shock than stainless.
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Several guys posted similar info and I just want to say that this kind of info is exactly why I joined BladeForums. Knowing to use a wood and to hit at the point of contact that the blade has with the stump could save a life if you were lost and this was your only knife! :thumbup:
 
everything works perfectly until you really need it. I am surprised though, that is a hefty blade if my memory serves.
 
If you're going to call someone names, get the facts right. He hammered - with a piece of wood, not a hammer, in an effort to slice a piece off the side of the log -- a piece narrower than the length of the knife blade.
 
I'm curious about something for those who feel batoning is abuse.

What do you feel this style of knife is designed for, considering the geometry and steel are far from being optimized for pure cutting tasks?
 
Vivi said:
I'm curious about something for those who feel batoning is abuse.

What do you feel this style of knife is designed for, considering the geometry and steel are far from being optimized for pure cutting tasks?
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Nutnfancy doesn't just collect his knives! He uses them for real world application.

The problem is that there seems to be a massive trend of fat, couch potato knife enthusiasts who sit in front of their computer all day long in their draws holding a knife in one hand and doing some finger exercises with the mouse scroller whilst thinking they are Rambo and know more than professionally trained survival artists. Most that picked on Nutnfancy clearly know NOTHING at all and I think are actually jealous that someone is out and about using their stuff.

How many actually COLLECT vs, ACTUALLY USE? I'm afraid the answer to that would probably make me never came back to this forum again :(
 
I have to admit that this knife failure is troublesome, as I would expect my Recon Tanto to pull this kind of duty in an absolute emergency. I suppose I would have to move the impact point up to the main part of the blade if I were to use it in this manner. Does anyone know how AUS8 would fare compared to Carbon V? I have no interest in the AUS8 version of the knife, but I have three of the Carbon V models, I think. But as anyone knows who's seen the Recon Tanto, the knife isn't made for peeling potatoes.

Cold Steel's torture test videos show a man in combat boots climbing up a wall with embedded Recon Tantos, but I notice he steps on the thick, strong part of the knife, not where it would be likely to give.
 
thombrogan said:
While that's always a good choice, the newer SK-5 (i.e. 1085) Recon Scouts seem to have the stress-riser issue resolved. The handle material being Kraton is still a slight issue, but not for everyone.

The thread lives again!
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I said...I'll stick to RAT, and Becker...
 
As far as the Recon Scout failing, I think that is a very rare occurrance. It was -13 out the other day, so I decided to baton through a few logs, and my SK 5 recon scout did perfectly fine. I would have taken pictures had I a digi cam or a scanner.
 
Cold steel (pardon the pun) gets very brittle.

There is another discussion here - similar problems with a Ka-bar:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=528518

The excessive low temperature of the knife may have introduced a fracture which then resulted in complete failure.

It's all because of the low temperature and the inability of 1095\Carbon V powdered steel to cope. Layered\laminate steel on the other hand would have a much better chance in such extreme cold weather.

This is not rocket science (maybe it is?).
 
uh i dont recall ever having even heard of a problem like this with a busse family or a RAT cutlery.

Am i the only one who is enjoying this thread coming back i remember when it was posted for the first time.
 
topspeclt said:
Nutnfancy doesn't just collect his knives! He uses them for real world application.

The problem is that there seems to be a massive trend of fat, couch potato knife enthusiasts who sit in front of their computer all day long in their draws holding a knife in one hand and doing some finger exercises with the mouse scroller whilst thinking they are Rambo and know more than professionally trained survival artists. Most that picked on Nutnfancy clearly know NOTHING at all and I think are actually jealous that someone is out and about using their stuff.

How many actually COLLECT vs, ACTUALLY USE? I'm afraid the answer to that would probably make me never came back to this forum again :(
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yep, you got us all pegged to a T! :) meybe get to know someone personally before making such inaccurate broad sweeping generalizations, eh? :)
 
topspeclt said:
Layered\laminate steel on the other hand would have a much better chance in such extreme cold weather.
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By this do you mean that Damascus steel would fare better?

The knife I would rely on for batoning more than any other would be this huge S&W Homeland Security honker. It's a huge slab of 440C stainless steel that I don't think the Incredible Hulk could break.

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