CS Spartan

knarfeng said:


I consider Carbon V (Camillus 0170-6C) to be an an excellent alloy, with better properties than 1095. Since Camillus developed it specifically for Cold Steel, and Camillus only put 0170-6C in a few of their own premium line blades, I don't see how advertising Carbon V as something special was hype on the part of Cold Steel.

Please explain your comment.
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Specifically for CS? Exactly how did Marble's and Case get their hands on it, then? 50100B/O1706-C isn't anything new.
 
antonio_luiz said:
Never try to sneak a knife past ACS in Oz - all parcels are X-rayed these days and/or Opened for Inspection! If you have any doubts about a knife then send specifications and pictures to ACS in Canberra. If they say the knife is prohibited but you know it is legal in your State, submit a B709 request to your local State Weapons Licensing Branch then submit a B710 to ACS with the original B709 approval for a Ministerial Permit to Import - then you won't have any hassles. Takes 4-6 weeks but it's free.
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:thumbup: Thanks for the advice Antonio.

It looks like this is the only option left to me.

Might as well get a Sparten to go with the Rajah 1
 
Sword and Shield said:
Specifically for CS? Exactly how did Marble's and Case get their hands on it, then? 50100B/O1706-C isn't anything new.
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Easy. They didn't.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4301656&postcount=17

Carbon V contained 0.95% Carbon, 0.5% Chromium, and 0.2% Vanadium hardened to 58-59HRC

Case CV is 1085 based with small additions of Chromium and Vanadium. No hardness spec given. My 0170-6C outlasts Case CV in edge retention testing.

Don't know what Marbles used. If it was modified 1095 it's news to me.

The closest to 0170-6C currently available is the 1095 Cro Van used in some of the KA-BARS and KA-BAR Beckers. But KA-BAR hardness spec is 56-58, somewhat softer than the 0170-6C or Carbon V, so the edge retention of 0170Carbon V should be better, though I have not run any comparisons.

Not common. Not hype. Good alloy with an excellent heat treat. Very hard to find.
 
knarfeng said:
Easy. They didn't.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4301656&postcount=17

Carbon V contained 0.95% Carbon, 0.5% Chromium, and 0.2% Vanadium hardened to 58-59HRC

Case CV is 1085 based with small additions of Chromium and Vanadium. No hardness spec given. My 0170-6C outlasts Case CV in edge retention testing.

Don't know what Marbles used. If it was modified 1095 it's news to me.

The closest to 0170-6C currently available is the 1095 Cro Van used in some of the KA-BARS and KA-BAR Beckers. But KA-BAR hardness spec is 56-58, somewhat softer than the 0170-6C or Carbon V, so the edge retention of 0170Carbon V should be better, though I have not run any comparisons.

Not common. Not hype. Good alloy with an excellent heat treat. Very hard to find.
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Mike Stewart, formerly of Marble's, disagrees. Take a look. It appears to have been a large melt of the stuff split between Cold Steel, Camillus (who made most of CS's stuff anyway) and Case. As for Marble's, look here.
 
Phil Gibbs (worked at Camillus) disagrees:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4301656&postcount=17

He says 0170-6 is not the same as 0170-6C.

He also says that the Camillus heat treat is what made the difference.

I don't have any Marbles 0170-6 blades to try.
I have tried the Camillus 0170-6C blades and consider them to be the best low alloy steel blades I have tried.

Carbon V was steel bought formed and heat treated by Camillus.
 
Nice looking knife. If I was working I would order one now. May have to wait awhile. I have absolutely nothing agaist Cold Steel. Have had many, still have a few. They all did what I bought them for.
Like or dislike LT's style, he makes some good blades.
 
knarfeng said:
Phil Gibbs (worked at Camillus) disagrees:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4301656&postcount=17

He says 0170-6 is not the same as 0170-6C.

He also says that the Camillus heat treat is what made the difference.

I don't have any Marbles 0170-6 blades to try.
I have tried the Camillus 0170-6C blades and consider them to be the best low alloy steel blades I have tried.

Carbon V was steel bought formed and heat treated by Camillus.
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Camillus made the blades for Marbles. :D
 
The blade steel on the Cold Steel Spartan is AUS8. I believe that is Japanese steel.
 
knarfeng said:


I consider Carbon V (Camillus 0170-6C) to be an an excellent alloy, with better properties than 1095. Since Camillus developed it specifically for Cold Steel, and Camillus only put 0170-6C in a few of their own premium line blades, I don't see how advertising Carbon V as something special was hype on the part of Cold Steel.

Please explain your comment.
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Carbon V was a trade name, not a brand or type of steel. Many steels could be and were used under the Carbon V label. That's all. Carbon V was marketing, not metallurgy.
 
Phil Gibbs, Mike Stewart, and Dan Maragni disagree. Specifically that Dan developed it, Phil named it 0170-6C, Camillus had over 30 tons of it, and that Dan supervised the heat treat as a full time consultant for CS. But I suppose they could be liars.
 
Knife Outlet said:
Carbon V was a trade name, not a brand or type of steel. Many steels could be and were used under the Carbon V label. That's all. Carbon V was marketing, not metallurgy.
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Interesting suggestion.
Do you have ANYTHING to suggest that you are not completely ignorant & spouting excrement??
 
I enjoy the AUS-8 that CS uses. The Krupp performs also well IMO. Very affordable and reliable stainless.
 
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