Cts-xhp

sodak said:
I'm saving up my pennies as well, can't wait to try it!
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I've been happy with my Elmax 0551. I can't wait to see what ZT/Hinderer will use on the new "Flipper" ?
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Ankerson said:
But then Vanax 35 and Vanax 75 weren't designed to be knife steels either.
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Well, according to this article Vanax 75 was designed for cutting tools to withstand corrosive environments while having high hardness.
It's not the knives we use, so hard to say how it will behave in human hands, but definitely has potential, at least in theory.
 
Gator97 said:
Well, according to this article Vanax 75 was designed for cutting tools to withstand corrosive environments while having high hardness.
It's not the knives we use, so hard to say how it will behave in human hands, but definitely has potential, at least in theory.
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It will be interesting if it ever goes into production.

We will have to see if anyone has the coin to make knife blades out of it. :D
 
Ankerson said:
It's a lot more than just a little premium...

Vanax 35 is about 3X the cost per pound than S90V..

But then Vanax 35 and Vanax 75 weren't designed to be knife steels either.
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Hmm, so the Kershaw Tilt would be somewhere in the neighborhood of $300 or more if the entire blade was made of Vanax 75? Grinding costs would also need to be taken into account.

But you know what? I think I'd buy it all the same:thumbup::D. I mean, I have some doubts that people would pay a $100 or more markup off the secondary market for Spyderco's S90V knives just for the carbon fiber;).
 
Alphahunter said:
I've been happy with my Elmax 0551.
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I am not testing "happiness" which steel may cause - it is very individual thing, I guess. But Elmax does dull on manila rope as pretty average steel.

Knife may looks sexy but have it does not make it perform better, however different people may value different things.

I am not very happy with Elmax ans with M390 and with CPM S35VN and CTS-BD1 and many other steel pushed to us by knife industry marketing as super steels, simple because tests show very average performance.

Only CTS-XHP pass test and got on top.

Thanks, Vassili.
 
I admit I have used CTS-XHP and found that it held a good edge but I'm not a typical hard user. I save hard use for my Beckers but I can't understand that if this steel is so good as Vassili claims why MFG's and makers aren't clambering for this stuff considering how relatively cheap it might be too.

What am I missing here?
 
What I gather from a post of Sal's is that the first batch sold out, and the second batch turned out to have some weird manufacturing problem so Crucible never offered it for sale, and they haven't yet made a third batch. I'm sure it will be coming.
 
JNewell said:
What I gather from a post of Sal's is that the first batch sold out, and the second batch turned out to have some weird manufacturing problem so Crucible never offered it for sale, and they haven't yet made a third batch. I'm sure it will be coming.
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Well, the way that Vassili raves about it, I would love to try out a Military made from the stuff.
 
Reeek said:
I admit I have used CTS-XHP and found that it held a good edge but I'm not a typical hard user. I save hard use for my Beckers but I can't understand that if this steel is so good as Vassili claims why MFG's and makers aren't clambering for this stuff considering how relatively cheap it might be too.

What am I missing here?
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This is what I am surprized as well.

However, it is clear that Elmax and M390 is in front line on what got pushed to us. They even use new ways to push it - like "test shows".

It is available for Hinderer - he switch to it as to major steel as I understand and does not look that he has problem with supply.

I am wondering what is the base for this ultimate trust to knife manufacturers, that they only thinking about giving us best and for low price? Really strange approach. Especially after that push of CPM S30V. What is origin of this true believe? Cool-Aid may be?

Thanks, Vassili.
 
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nozh2002 said:
It is available for Hinderer - he switch to it as to major steel as I understand and does not look that he has problem with supply.

I am wondering what is the base for this ultimate trust to knife manufacturers, that they only thinking about giving us best and for low price? Really strange approach. Especially after that push of CPM S30V. What is origin of this true believe?
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I don't think Rick Hinderer needs to worry about the larger quantities that KAI, Spyderco, Benchmade might want to order by comparison. He rotates through Duratech 20CV, CTS-XHP and now CPM S35VN is in the lineup too, so he always has a good steel to offer when he makes a batch of knives. Just my thoughts YMMV.
 
cziv said:
I don't think Rick Hinderer needs to worry about the larger quantities that KAI, Spyderco, Benchmade might want to order by comparison. He rotates through Duratech 20CV, CTS-XHP and now CPM S35VN is in the lineup too, so he always has a good steel to offer when he makes a batch of knives. Just my thoughts YMMV.
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I do not think that Carpenter refusing to produce steel for American manufacturers. At least for Spyderco they produced special melt with composition defined by Spyderco based on their old Japanese experiment - CTS BD1. Which is pretty average performer BTW.

Having this, it is hard to imagine that Carpenter turn back in case of CTS-XHP which they position as special knife steel, claiming that as a new direction of their business - see their website. Like - "Or yes we will do special melt just for your steel CTS-BD1, but we will not make our regular CTS-XHP!".

Somehow Hinderer got it. So I am watching knife manufacturers for a while and do not believe in everything what they came up with. Being once mislead about steel performance - CPM S30V, I do not see reason why should I be such a true believer?

May be my problem is that I am not drinking Cool Aid?

Thanks, Vassili.
 
nozh2002 said:
I do not think that Carpenter refusing to produce steel for American manufacturers. At least for Spyderco they produced special melt with composition defined by Spyderco based on their old Japanese experiment - CTS BD1. Which is pretty average performer BTW.

Having this, it is hard to imagine that Carpenter turn back in case of CTS-XHP which they position as special knife steel, claiming that as a new direction of their business - see their website. Like - "Or yes we will do special melt just for your steel CTS-BD1, but we will not make our regular CTS-XHP!".

Somehow Hinderer got it. So I am watching knife manufacturers for a while and do not believe in everything what they came up with. Being once mislead about steel performance - CPM S30V, I do not see reason why should I be such a true believer?

May be my problem is that I am not drinking Cool Aid?

Thanks, Vassili.
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It's rather cute really, but when you rank 1095 carbon steel as having better edge retention than high carbide steels in a test that supposedly tests for wear resistance, then it's really hard to take anything you say seriously.

It's also not a point in your favor when your only explanation for such results is the "special heat treat", demonstrating an utter lack of knowledge about steels.
 
nozh2002 said:
I do not think that Carpenter refusing to produce steel for American manufacturers. At least for Spyderco they produced special melt with composition defined by Spyderco based on their old Japanese experiment - CTS BD1. Which is pretty average performer BTW.

Having this, it is hard to imagine that Carpenter turn back in case of CTS-XHP which they position as special knife steel, claiming that as a new direction of their business - see their website. Like - "Or yes we will do special melt just for your steel CTS-BD1, but we will not make our regular CTS-XHP!".

Somehow Hinderer got it. So I am watching knife manufacturers for a while and do not believe in everything what they came up with. Being once mislead about steel performance - CPM S30V, I do not see reason why should I be such a true believer?

May be my problem is that I am not drinking Cool Aid?

Thanks, Vassili.
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No disrespect intended but I have no clue what your response means.

Are you saying that companies won't use this steel (CTS-XHP) because they want to sell us what you consider cheaper, inferior steel and saying they can't get this steel?

Help me out here. What's wrong with them selling stock that is very good and keeping costs down so it's more affordable for us? If that's where you're going with that post?? (if that's what they're doing - lying to us?) :confused:

CPM S30V is very, very good steel IMHO.
 
He means you are an ignoramus, like the rest of us, and we are being misled by evil knifemakers. It's that simple. :rolleyes: :yawn:
 
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