Cts-xhp

spydusse said:
Just got my 0551 can't wait to put it to work if what you guys say is true (similar if not better then xhp) have a para in 20cp on preorder ,think it might be new fav ,if hype is real
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Kershaw's Elmax (30th place) show exactly same results on manila rope cutting test as Kershaw's CPM S30V (28th place) little lower. BTW Buck's 420HC is on 31st place. So it is not similar or better then CTS-XHP - which is on 3rd place.

http://playground.sun.com/~vasya/Manila-Rope-Results.html

Thanks, Vassili.
 
I find ELMAX to be a bit better than that in real world use, espically in the area of being able to retain a sharp edge. I also find its overall edge retention and resistance to deformation much better than S30V.
 
knifenut1013 said:
I find ELMAX to be a bit better than that in real world use, espically in the area of being able to retain a sharp edge. I also find its overall edge retention and resistance to deformation much better than S30V.
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ELMAX is an excellent steel for sure. :thumbup:
 
knifenut1013 said:
I find ELMAX to be a bit better than that in real world use, espically in the area of being able to retain a sharp edge. I also find its overall edge retention and resistance to deformation much better than S30V.
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Better then what? Better then CTS-XHP - no way.
Better then CPM S30V - what CPM S30v? Which manufacturer?

As you may see from previous discussion it is critical to know what we are talking about. I can not agreed that CPM S90V better then Dozier D2, but it turns out that we were talking about Benchmade D2 which is on my list on the very bottom. So it is important to know manufacturer. Even for CPM S30V Buck's do HT better 20th place.

Thanks, Vassili.
 
I really can't wait until that Para 2 in CTS-20CP ships.......
 
Ankerson said:
I really can't wait until that Para 2 in CTS-20CP ships.......
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But based on your results with Vanax 35, wouldn't Vanax 75 be on the radar as well?

Looking at where Vanax 35 was placed, it would almost seem like nitrogen is almost chemically the same as carbon in the steel matrix, with performance between Elmax and M390.

M390 has 1.9% carbon with 20% Cr and 4% Vanadium, with Vanax 35 at 1.9% Nitrogen 20% Cr and 2.8% V. Elmax follows with 1.7% C 18% Cr and 3% V.

Vanax has a mind boggling 4.2% N 21.2% Cr and 9% V. If that 4.2% N behaves like the equivalent of 4.2% Carbon, wouldn't that simply be a ludicrous amount of nitrides in the matrix? Even more than S90V?

CTS-20CP seems nice sure, though the elemental composition doesn't seem that much different than S90V. Though I suppose if Carpenter's PM process is more refined than Crucible's PM process, performance could be a notch above S90V. But giving the element table another comparison, I have this nagging feeling that rust might be an issue with me.
 
Noctis3880 said:
But based on your results with Vanax 35, wouldn't Vanax 75 be on the radar as well?

Looking at where Vanax 35 was placed, it would almost seem like nitrogen is almost chemically the same as carbon in the steel matrix, with performance between Elmax and M390.

M390 has 1.9% carbon with 20% Cr and 4% Vanadium, with Vanax 35 at 1.9% Nitrogen 20% Cr and 2.8% V. Elmax follows with 1.7% C 18% Cr and 3% V.

Vanax has a mind boggling 4.2% N 21.2% Cr and 9% V. If that 4.2% N behaves like the equivalent of 4.2% Carbon, wouldn't that simply be a ludicrous amount of nitrides in the matrix? Even more than S90V?

CTS-20CP seems nice sure, though the elemental composition doesn't seem that much different than S90V. Though I suppose if Carpenter's PM process is more refined than Crucible's PM process, performance could be a notch above S90V. But giving the element table another comparison, I have this nagging feeling that rust might be an issue with me.
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Yeah it should be very close to S90V in performance.

Vanax 75 will be excellent when it comes out, but when that will be I don't know and it and Vanax 35 are very expensive steels.

Alphahunter said:
Me too! And my earth brown Mili! :)
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I have one of them on preorder too. :)
 
Ankerson said:
Yeah it should be very close to S90V in performance.

Vanax 75 will be excellent when it comes out, but when that will be I don't know and it and Vanax 35 are very expensive steels.



I have one of them on preorder too. :)
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2011 is going to be a good year for knives.
 
hardheart said:
which CTS-XHP, the question applies to that steel as well.
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It was only one production knife with CTS-XHP available - Manix II. Hinderer making it as well but it is too expensive - $850 and practically impossible to get even with that price tag. So there are no too much to choose from yet.

Do you know any other options, I may not be aware of?

So I was hoping this is bit more specific then - "better then that", at least for people who are monitoring knife market.

Thanks, Vassili.
 
nozh2002 said:
It was only one production knife with CTS-XHP available - Manix II. Hinderer making it as well but it is too expensive - $850 and practically impossible to get even with that price tag. So there are no too much to choose from yet.

Do you know any other options, I may not be aware of?

So I was hoping this is bit more specific then - "better then that", at least for people who are monitoring knife market.

Thanks, Vassili.
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The only blade that is currently available is the Hinderer and that's with a wait time so don't hold your breath waiting.

Might be some Custom makers that might have some steel.... Unlikely, but maybe....
 
I see XM-18's in the EX every week (the flat screw 3rd generation 3.5") w/CTS-XHP for $600'ish. Just sayin Vassili, not $850 ;)
 
Wow, what a long thread. At the end CTS-XHP is a good steel, the little I have seen of it. Until the year when a steel comes out that never gets dull, wont rust, is though, the debate will continue on what is better in what ever category.

There are great steels in the industry already, anything from 154CM/VG10 (included) upwards is fine with me.
 
cziv said:
I see XM-18's in the EX every week (the flat screw 3rd generation 3.5") w/CTS-XHP for $600'ish. Just sayin Vassili, not $850 ;)
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Actually in all the years making knives Rick Hinderer has NEVER changed the price. The price for either size xm-18 is $385.00, same as I has been as long as they have existed, the few handground blades available at shows run around $500 or so.

Now a lot of dealers sell for hefty profits, authorized dealers sell them at retail. I happened to pick one up at Plaza for $385.00 plus tax recently. It's in XHP.

Back on topic, speaking of Hinderer, the two steels he adopted where Duratech 20CV and CTS-XHP. Has anyone any input on the two? I saw XHP being compared to M390, S30V, Elmax, D2, and ZDP-189. I'm of the mind that any steel is good enough, but some do perform better than others, I must not use my knives enough to notice a difference worth fighting over.
 
Ankerson said:
Yeah it should be very close to S90V in performance.

Vanax 75 will be excellent when it comes out, but when that will be I don't know and it and Vanax 35 are very expensive steels.
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Having spent nearly $200 for fit and finish on a Sebenza, I don't think a little premium for the blade steel is going to make me coy all of a sudden;).
 
65535 said:
Actually in all the years making knives Rick Hinderer has NEVER changed the price. The price for either size xm-18 is $385.00, same as I has been as long as they have existed, the few handground blades available at shows run around $500 or so.

Now a lot of dealers sell for hefty profits, authorized dealers sell them at retail. I happened to pick one up at Plaza for $385.00 plus tax recently. It's in XHP.

Back on topic, speaking of Hinderer, the two steels he adopted where Duratech 20CV and CTS-XHP. Has anyone any input on the two? I saw XHP being compared to M390, S30V, Elmax, D2, and ZDP-189. I'm of the mind that any steel is good enough, but some do perform better than others, I must not use my knives enough to notice a difference worth fighting over.
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You must have walked into a Plaza Cutlery store to find one at that price right? I mentioned the 3.5" model because you'll find the CTS-XHP moreso than the 3". I'm the same as you, I can't tell the difference on most steels - they all bite my fingers just fine. :D
 
Noctis3880 said:
Having spent nearly $200 for fit and finish on a Sebenza, I don't think a little premium for the blade steel is going to make me coy all of a sudden;).
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It's a lot more than just a little premium...

Vanax 35 is about 3X the cost per pound than S90V..

But then Vanax 35 and Vanax 75 weren't designed to be knife steels either.
 
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