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hardheart, that was well thought-out, well written, and looks like it took quite a while to put together. Unfortunately it will be completely ignored and dismissed by nozh, assuming he hasn't put you on his ignore list already. You're talking to a brick wall here. A brick wall covered in nonsensical graffiti that shouts back gibberish that nobody else can decipher.
 
Planterz said:
hardheart, that was well thought-out, well written, and looks like it took quite a while to put together. Unfortunately it will be completely ignored and dismissed by nozh, assuming he hasn't put you on his ignore list already. You're talking to a brick wall here. A brick wall covered in nonsensical graffiti that shouts back gibberish that nobody else can decipher.
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Well sad! And as usual it shift focus from steels and knives to something different.

Major problem with all hardheart talk is that they are not based on any tests, or research or anything.

I admit that my experience is limited to cutting manila rope with 43 different knives over several years, I did total 8400 cuts with my own hands. And quite a few thousands before over different testing sessions which I reject because I was not confident if they were correct.

But what I talking about is based on that practical tests, even limited.

What is your foundation? HardHeat sad I did not done this and did not done that. Well, OK. What did you done? Nothing.

We are talking about that quite a while several times. My tests are limited, but this is all what we have available. You may say that this is wrong or that is wrong - but only way to make me believe is do some test and show me results. As I sad before every human being is capable of producing tons of words for excuses and complain from 7 yeas ago or earlier. This does not impress me at all.

Once you have test results which can back up you excellent and well spoken words - then I will listen.

My limited tests show that Spyderco CTS-XHP one of the best steel.
My limited tests show that Dozier D2 one of the best steel.
My limited test show that BM D2 has worse performance in the all 43 knives tested.

You talks disregard that. A lot of talks from different people. Are there and tests? No!

Is it hard? No just cut 200 times 1/2" manila rope with knives you are talking about and
measure sharpness at certain points, publish results. Pretty simple? I would love to explain
you my procedure and I did this several times before. Are any of you going to do some tests?

And please, do not bring here cutting show Ankerson doing. This is what I start with at the
beginning and that improve a lot. He need few years to figure it out, but he seems to happy
with what he has now, so I has no hopes to something reliable from him.

Thanks, Vassili.
 
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nozh2002 said:
Well sad! And as usual it shift focus from steels and knives to something different.

Major problem with all hardheart talk is that they are not based on any tests, or research or anything.

I admit that my experience is limited to cutting manila rope with 43 different knives over several years, I did total 8400 cuts with my own hands. And quite a few thousands before over different testing sessions which I reject because I was not confident if they were correct.

But what I talking about is based on that practical tests, even limited.

What is your foundation? HardHeat sad I did not done this and did not done that. Well, OK. What did you done? Nothing.

We are talking about that quite a while several times. My tests are limited, but this is all what we have available. You may say that this is wrong or that is wrong - but only way to make me believe is do some test and show me results. As I sad before every human being is capable of producing tons of words for excuses and complain from 7 yeas ago or earlier. This does not impress me at all.

Once you have test results which can back up you excellent and well spoken words - then I will listen.

My limited tests show that Spyderco CTS-XHP one of the best steel.
My limited tests show that Dozier D2 one of the best steel.
My limited test show that BM D2 has worse performance in the all 43 knives tested.

You talks disregard that. A lot of talks from different people. Are there and tests? No!

Is it hard? No just cut 200 times 1/2" manila rope with knives you are talking about and
measure sharpness at certain points, publish results. Pretty simple? I would love to explain
you my procedure and I did this several times before. Are you going to do some tests?

And please, do not bring here cutting show Ankerson doing.

Thanks, Vassili.
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I have logged over 13,000 cuts on 5/8" Manila rope so far since I have been keeping records and compiling the data. ;)

Not including all the cardboard and wood I have cut over the past 20 years or so I guess I need more experience with knives and steel so I can also be an expert too....

However I am not ranking the steels in order from best to last either or even attempting to do so in anyway because i am smart enough and have more than enough knowledge to know there isn't any possible way to ever rank steels from best to last because there are way to many variables to ever do that.

Impossible to ever attempt doing it by hand..

Not even CATRA can do that and that is the best there is and most accurate by far at under 3% error rates.

I am at around 6% or so in my testing and that's as good as I can get it doing it my way and by hand.
 
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Vassili, if your knives didn't constantly shift ranks every time you retest, people might take you seriously.

Ankerson at least has consistency.

And for the love of God, he placed CTS-XHP in the same category as ZDP-189. If it has the same level of edge holding without the brittleness, I fail to see what anyone has any complaints about.
 
Maybe they change because of different heat treats he gets on the knives he's using? I can't make heads or tails of that Russian web page he links to though???? :confused:

I don't know about ZDP, but Hinderer's CTS-XHP and Duratech 20CV seem to have the most potential of the steels I've sharpened and cut long slivers of 2"x 4" and cardboard with. They bite in deep and stay sharp for a good while.

I have no clue what S60V is or S90V or M390 or Super Blue and all the others.

I still love my Benchmade 940 S30V and 710 D2 - both very sharp and like I posted last page, I don't cut stuff continuosly either. Someone mentioned steels be specific to need, whereas my use is all-purpose, light to medium duty so they're all pretty darn good. :)
 
Ankerson said:
I have logged over 13,000 cuts on 5/8" Manila rope so far since I have been keeping records and compiling the data. ;)

Not including all the cardboard and wood I have cut over the past 20 years or so I guess I need more experience with knives and steel so I can also be an expert too....

However I am not ranking the steels in order from best to last either or even attempting to do so in anyway because i am smart enough and have more than enough knowledge to know there isn't any possible way to ever rank steels from best to last because there are way to many variables to ever do that.

Impossible to ever attempt doing it by hand..

Not even CATRA can do that and that is the best there is and most accurate by far at under 3% error rates.

I am at around 6% or so in my testing and that's as good as I can get it doing it my way and by hand.
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I already told you what is problem with what are you doing. And you never answer that. I do not see reason to go back to that until you take testing seriously.

Thanks, Vassili.
 
nozh2002 said:
I already told you what is problem with what are you doing. And you never answer that. I do not see reason to go back to that until you take testing seriously.

Thanks, Vassili.
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When you can get consistent and start showing good results than can be repeatable and narrowing down the variables so that will improve your consistency people might take you seriously again.

You really need to narrow down the variables before you can ever begin to get any kind of consistency.

Plus you just aren't cutting long enough to show any kind of real edge wear that would make a difference, 1/2" rope isn't thick enough, if you are going to cut 200 times with each blade you should be using 3/4" rope to get some real wear. Your whole order and rankings would change completely, 200 cuts on 1/2" rope, well the High Vanadium steels haven't even started to break a sweat yet.

Then you are ranking blades that are vastly different, over 100% difference and of unknown hardness and the sharpening isn't really the same either.

No wonder your results are all over the place, even if you retest the same blades over they are different.

You are trying to accomplish more than you are really capable of doing with the method and standards you are using.

The method of cutting string to judge the sharpness... Push cutting through string when you are slicing through the rope to get the wear isn't going to be consistent either. That 2 different things that you are trying to do here, another reason why your results aren't consistent.

I doubt you are under 50% error rate with the method you are using without removing the variables that would need to be removed.

Your results are all over the place and anyone who looks at your results can see that, it's as plain as day.

When your results are telling you something that you should know is wrong then there is a problem with the method, that is if you really know about steels.

One of the problems is you don't know why your results are all over the place and that's not good.

Don't go throwing rocks in a glass house.....

You have really done a lot of work and I know it's not easy to do so I applaud you for doing some real cutting and nobody can take that from you ever.

I just don't understand why you kept using the same method when in your own words know it's not consistant.

While my own method while very consistant isn't the last word on anything either, but at least it's consistant so I can feel good about my results and I am giving out the best information that I can, but I am not saying it's perfect.
 
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Ankerson said:
When you can get consistent and start showing good results than can be repeatable and narrowing down the variables so that will improve your consistency people might take you seriously again.

You really need to narrow down the variables before you can ever begin to get any kind of consistency.

Plus you just aren't cutting long enough to show any kind of real edge wear that would make a difference, 1/2" rope isn't thick enough, if you are going to cut 200 times with each blade you should be using 3/4" rope to get some real wear. Your whole order and rankings would change completely, 200 cuts on 1/2" rope, well the High Vanadium steels haven't even started to break a sweat yet.

Then you are ranking blades that are vastly different, over 100% difference and of unknown hardness and the sharpening isn't really the same either.

No wonder your results are all over the place, even if you retest the same blades over they are different.

You are trying to accomplish more than you are really capable of doing with the method and standards you are using.

The method of cutting string to judge the sharpness... Push cutting through string when you are slicing through the rope to get the wear isn't going to be consistent either. That 2 different things that you are trying to do here, another reason why your results aren't consistent.

I doubt you are under 50% error rate with the method you are using without removing the variables that would need to be removed.

Your results are all over the place and anyone who looks at your results can see that, it's as plain as day.

When your results are telling you something that you should know is wrong then there is a problem with the method, that is if you really know about steels.

One of the problems is you don't know why your results are all over the place and that's not good.

Don't go throwing rocks in a glass house.....

You have really done a lot of work and I know it's not easy to do so I applaud you for doing some real cutting and nobody can take that from you ever.

I just don't understand why you kept using the same method when in your own words know it's not consistant.

While my own method while very consistant isn't the last word on anything either, but at least it's consistant so I can feel good about my results and I am giving out the best information that I can, but I am not saying it's perfect.
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You may produce as many words as you want. You may twist what I was saying or turn it back, this may looks good for casual people browsing this forum, but you do not impress me at all. Try to do some testing and then I may listen. I had initially some credit to what you are doing, but now I saw enough...

Thanks, Vassili.
 
nozh2002 said:
You may produce as many words as you want. You may twist what I was saying or turn it back, this may looks good for casual people browsing this forum, but you do not impress me at all. Try to do some testing and then I may listen. I had initially some credit to what you are doing, but now I saw enough...

Thanks, Vassili.
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Ladies and gentlemen, I give you The Great Wall of China:thumbup:!
 
nozh2002 said:
You may produce as many words as you want. You may twist what I was saying or turn it back, this may looks good for casual people browsing this forum, but you do not impress me at all. Try to do some testing and then I may listen. I had initially some credit to what you are doing, but now I saw enough...

Thanks, Vassili.
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Vassili,

It won't surprise me one whit to find out that other forum members will find your comments I've quoted here to be offensive... I sure find them offensive. Comments like yours quoted in this post completely turn me off. Even if your methods are different, you owe it to yourself not to dump on Mr. Ankerson, for you only discredit yourself.

And by the way, since you persist in this sort of posting, permit me to tell you that you do not impress me in any way, but Mr. Ankerson sure does.

Also, I could care less if you think I'm a casual forum browser." Increasingly, you behave like a troll.

Given your offensive behavior, I no longer give any of your tests any credibility whatsoever. Sorry if you don't like that, but it's a consequence of your behavior here.

Probably my last post to you, for you don't listen, or learn either, for that matter.
 
Folderguy said:
Vassili,

It won't surprise me one whit to find out that other forum members will find your comments I've quoted here to be offensive... I sure find them offensive. Comments like yours quoted in this post completely turn me off. Even if your methods are different, you owe it to yourself not to dump on Mr. Ankerson, for you only discredit yourself.

And by the way, since you persist in this sort of posting, permit me to tell you that you do not impress me in any way, but Mr. Ankerson sure does.

Also, I could care less if you think I'm a casual forum browser." Increasingly, you behave like a troll.

Given your offensive behavior, I no longer give any of your tests any credibility whatsoever. Sorry if you don't like that, but it's a consequence of your behavior here.

Probably my last post to you, for you don't listen, or learn either, for that matter.
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I agree completely, I have been following this thread and keep trying to find a way to give Vassili the benefit of the doubt, cut him some slack so to speak. But, his total behavior towards others is unacceptable, he doesn't appear to have ever played nice in the sandbox with others.

Regards,

Rich
 
Hmmm...another Cliff Stamp, with 2/3 of the knowledge and 5 times the arrogance. Just what we need.
 
Mr.Vagisil,

Ankerson has been working with others testing who have been getting the same results. He's just not making claims of being the only one to know what he's doing.

I'd guess that the team has probably 60 years of experience with knives on you. Very, very high performance knives as well.

Even if you had half the knowledge you think you do it would still benefit you to open up your mind and accept and learn from others.

You keep stating you won't talk to someone who doesn't test yet when you find other testing being done you attempt to discredit it.

You are really going all out to try to set yourself up as an expert. Have you noticed the harder you try, the more problems you have with people? Can you guess why?

When the same result happens over and over again here and at different forums you refuse to learn lessons from your experiences.

I'd feel sorry for you if you weren't such an annoyance here. Your behavior discourages free thought and transfer of knowledge. You dictate rather than dialog. Rember you are dealing with people, not computers here. You're going to ruin this place or get kicked out.

Learn how to deal with other people and you won't have as many difficulties. You create your own problems with your behavior and attitude.

Joe
 
nozh2002 said:
Major problem with all hardheart talk is that they are not based on any tests, or research or anything.

My tests are limited, but this is all what we have available.
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Well, other than cutting tests, metallurgy counts for a lot. He simply got too technical for you, so you try and dismiss what he says with a wave of your hand. Just because you don't understand what others are saying doesn't mean they are wrong. It simply means you don't understand.

Your tests are NOT all that we have available. Only what you THINK we have available.

Most of us completely disagree with you. All tests have value, shown in their proper context.
 
Most of us completely disagree with you. All tests have value, shown in their proper context.
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Bingo, nozh2002 would be a good contributer if his vocabulary contained phrases like "wow I came up with this result"...."I'd better try some different heat treats and different test methods"......."thanks for sharing that, this is what I came up with"....that sort of thing. I hate to see him take these terrible beat downs but he asks for it in the end, every time.
 
The Mastiff said:
Mr.Vagisil,

Ankerson has been working with others testing who have been getting the same results. He's just not making claims of being the only one to know what he's doing.

I'd guess that the team has probably 60 years of experience with knives on you. Very, very high performance knives as well.

Even if you had half the knowledge you think you do it would still benefit you to open up your mind and accept and learn from others.

You keep stating you won't talk to someone who doesn't test yet when you find other testing being done you attempt to discredit it.

You are really going all out to try to set yourself up as an expert. Have you noticed the harder you try, the more problems you have with people? Can you guess why?

When the same result happens over and over again here and at different forums you refuse to learn lessons from your experiences.

I'd feel sorry for you if you weren't such an annoyance here. Your behavior discourages free thought and transfer of knowledge. You dictate rather than dialog. Rember you are dealing with people, not computers here. You're going to ruin this place or get kicked out.

Learn how to deal with other people and you won't have as many difficulties. You create your own problems with your behavior and attitude.

Joe
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Well, again I have in replay a lot of ... everything, but no single bit of information on actual matter.

Which makes me think that "opponents" has nothing really to say, but desperate to say at least something. This is, well, ... informative too.

Especially mr.Mastif - this "Mr.Vagisil" you did your best, congratulations!

Thanks, Vassili.
 
Anyone else have a grade school flashback of one of your classmates stuffing both fingers in their ears and going, "I KNOW YOU ARE, BUT WHAT AM I?!?!?!":confused::barf:

It's curious to hear someone say vanadium carbides aren't worth jack when the very company they're sucking up to has made a wear resistant steel(CTS-20CP) with over 9% vanadium for the sole purpose of increasing wear resistance.

And it's not like these steels were made for other parts of the industrial world in the first place:rolleyes:. It's also not like the several thousand people who have personally sharpened or ground these steels could observe the increased wear resistance first-hand. No sir, every last one of them are part of an all-encompassing conspiracy the likes of which would put Nixon to shame:D.
 
Mr. Vasilly

Have you tested more than one knife from Benchmade with D2? Or are you basing your results on one blade?
 
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