Cts-xhp

[nozh2002]

Mr. Vasilly

Have you tested more than one knife from Benchmade with D2? Or are you basing your results on one blade?

Mr. 5.56

I tested only one Benchmade Ares Limited Edition D2 knife. And this is only test available to this date. After several years
no one yet challenge this results with different test, even I was asking for that many times. Other Benchmade knives I tested
did not show top results as well.

Overall I tested 43 knives with different steels and BM D2 was worse of all:

http://playground.sun.com/~vasya/Manila-Rope-Results.html

How many tests you done Mr.5.56?

Thanks, Vassili.

 

[Gator97]

...After several years
no one yet challenge this results with different test, even I was asking for that many times...

Damn, I was under impression that your test methods and results were challenged and criticized by knife makers, metallurgists, enthusiasts, pretty much everyone... Even if you put them on the ignore list after 1st disagreement, that's still plenty of data for U to read...

 

[5.56]

How many tests you done Mr.5.56?

Thanks, Vassili.

No need to get defensive, it was a simple question to see exactly how many D2 Benchmade knives you are basing your results on.

I have not performed any tests myself, nor have I ever claimed or attempted to provide any knowledge as to such.

 

[cziv]

No need to get defensive, it was a simple question to see exactly how many D2 Benchmade knives you are basing your results on.

I have not performed any tests myself, nor have I ever claimed or attempted to provide any knowledge as to such.

Me either (tests) but my BM 710 D2 is a flipping chainsaw. I've owned it 3 years or so and cut every kind of EDC stuff - not constant cord cutting.

I've only touched it up once on a Sharpmaker and strop it every time I use it a few times. They must have got my heat treat a little varied from yours. My BM 710 D2 :thumbup: :thumbup:

edit: I did re-profile this 710 D2 to 30* back bevel with 40* micro-bevel when it first arrived from Benchmade.

 

[The Mastiff]

It's curious to hear someone say vanadium carbides aren't worth jack when the very company they're sucking up to has made a wear resistant steel(CTS-20CP) with over 9% vanadium for the sole purpose of increasing wear resistance

They do list this as having better wear resistance than their CTS -XHP steel. I wonder if this 9% vanadium steel will suddenly become the highest rated steel on the test. Vassil can then claim that the heat treatment uses magic like he claimed Dozier does in his heat treat. The Russians also have magic too, apparently in their refining of steels during the smelt. According to Vagil anyway.


"Einstein once said, "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

 

[Ankerson]

They do list this as having better wear resistance than their CTS -XHP steel. I wonder if this 9% vanadium steel will suddenly become the highest rated steel on the test. Vassil can then claim that the heat treatment uses magic like he claimed Dozier does in his heat treat. The Russians also have magic too, apparently in their refining of steels during the smelt. According to Vagil anyway.


"Einstein once said, "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

Never seen me one of them there magic steels before....

Where can I get me one of them there magic steels?

 

[nozh2002]

Anyone else have a grade school flashback of one of your classmates stuffing both fingers in their ears and going, "I KNOW YOU ARE, BUT WHAT AM I?!?!?!":barf:

It's curious to hear someone say vanadium carbides aren't worth jack when the very company they're sucking up to has made a wear resistant steel(CTS-20CP) with over 9% vanadium for the sole purpose of increasing wear resistance.

And it's not like these steels were made for other parts of the industrial world in the first place. It's also not like the several thousand people who have personally sharpened or ground these steels could observe the increased wear resistance first-hand. No sir, every last one of them are part of an all-encompassing conspiracy the likes of which would put Nixon to shame.

You did not answer my questions. What is behind your talks? When you asked me I provided you pictures of knives I made, you may also see my sharpening lessons on youtube. I made a lot of nice pictures of different knives. etc...

What about you? Can you introduce yourself so I know what is behind your critisism?

Thanks, Vassili.

 

[nozh2002]

No need to get defensive, it was a simple question to see exactly how many D2 Benchmade knives you are basing your results on.

I have not performed any tests myself, nor have I ever claimed or attempted to provide any knowledge as to such.

No need for this defensive remarks as well.

I answered your question and asked you same.

Thanks, Vassili.

 

[nozh2002]

Me either (tests) but my BM 710 D2 is a flipping chainsaw. I've owned it 3 years or so and cut every kind of EDC stuff - not constant cord cutting.

I've only touched it up once on a Sharpmaker and strop it every time I use it a few times. They must have got my heat treat a little varied from yours. My BM 710 D2 :thumbup: :thumbup:

You should know what my opinions on steel was before I start testing with formal procedure. It was totally different, because it was based on this forum reading, and that twist my view a lot! To the point that my own experience was fulled. Before formal test with strict procedure all cutting I did casually ALWAYS confirms my view formed by so many experts I read here.

This is really interesting phenomena - I cut few branches and this show how great my current favorite knife I is - ALWAYS! Why - I trick myself to twist facts to support my believes, especially I just payed load of money for that knife and every one on the forums are crazy about it too.

However with formal procedure and repeatable results - it is really hard to full myself any more.

So try to do some formal comparison.

Thanks, Vassili.

 

[Gator97]

Ouch, Vasilii on the roll...

What is behind your talks?

Common sense...

When you asked me I provided you pictures of knives I made,

False, you installed handles on the premade blades. That's not exactly making a knife.

you may also see my sharpening lessons on youtube.

Considering the quality of your sharpening jobs we've seen on your own photos, it's highly questionable value, at any rate, posting video on youtube, gimme a break... 5 year old kids do that too.

I made a lot of nice pictures of different knives. etc...

And? There's a lot more people who made more and better pix of nicer knives. How does that constitute testing expertise? Or why do you feel anyone owes you anything?

 

[Planterz]

Considering the quality of your sharpening jobs we've seen on your own photos, it's highly questionable value

What, doesn't everybody grind off their thumbstuds with their Edgepro?

 

[Gator97]

Yeah, you really need a lesson on video to do that... N00bs try to avoid grinding thumbstuds, but little they know.

 

[Ankerson]

What, doesn't everybody grind off their thumbstuds with their Edgepro?

Some of us take them off. :thumbup:

 

[GrayDucker]

Incredible and awesome thread! Tons of info here, thank you. Great read.

 

[Jackal]

There STILL doesn't seem to be a whole lot of real world feedback on CTS-XHP. Did it ever take off or has it practically gone extinct?

 

[Cynic2701]

There STILL doesn't seem to be a whole lot of real world feedback on CTS-XHP. Did it ever take off or has it practically gone extinct?

It's been a few years since this thread was started. Spyderco has probably used CTS-XHP the most: as sprint run each of a Military, Para2, and Manix 2; as the standard blade steel for the Techno and Chaparral (thought the first two were in S30V due to difficulties in getting it to Taiwan, or so I hear).

In my experience it holds a pretty good edge sort of on par with ZDP-189 while being a bit more rust/stain resistant. Seems to hold up just fine using low angles. It also does a great job of keeping a polished edge. Personally I really like it and it's one of my favorite steels.

Butch Harner has made some kitchen knives in CTS-XHP. I know he has at least made some nakiri's in it, but I'm not sure if he has done any gyuto's or other knives. Since kitchen knives for aficiandos typically see higher polishes (e.g 8000 grit) than most pocket knives, it does seem to support the notion that CTS-XHP does well with polished edges.

 

[Jackal]

Thanks man. I recently had to choose between 20CV and XHP so I agonized over that one. While 20CV is the obvious super steel, I decided to try the XHP. I dont expect it to hold a working edge as long or be as corrosion resistant, but I never use my blades in this fashion and they are kept razor sharp at 40 deg. with Sharpmaker white stones. The most difficult to sharpen steel I can recall is DDRs 420V followed by the 20CV. After getting my angle one them however, Im sure maintaining it wouldnt be a prob.

I hope I dont regret it. XHP does sharpen super easy but I have no idea what to expect for edge retention through soft items like fabrics and rope. How does corrosion resistance stack up against the more common stuff like ATS34, 154CM, etc.? Does the nickle content bring anything to the party?

 

[Cynic2701]

Thanks man. I recently had to choose between 20CV and XHP so I agonized over that one. While 20CV is the obvious super steel, I decided to try the XHP. I dont expect it to hold a working edge as long or be as corrosion resistant, but I never use my blades in this fashion and they are kept razor sharp at 40 deg. with Sharpmaker white stones. The most difficult to sharpen steel I can recall is DDRs 420V followed by the 20CV. After getting my angle one them however, Im sure maintaining it wouldnt be a prob.

I hope I dont regret it. XHP does sharpen super easy but I have no idea what to expect for edge retention through soft items like fabrics and rope. How does corrosion resistance stack up against the more common stuff like ATS34, 154CM, etc.? Does the nickle content bring anything to the party?

M390/20CV will almost certainly hold an edge longer, though CTS-XHP isn't a slouch in the edge holding department. I have an M390 Para 2 that I like quite a bit, but I keep coming back to CTS-XHP. After using it (cutting boxes, food, etc.) literally 4 - 6 strokes on a Spyderco ultrafine rod brings it back to hair whittling sharpness.

I can't really comment on corrosion resistance. I've never had a problem with it so far; in similar environments I've had small issues with ZDP-189. It seems to me that once a certain level of stainlessness is reached, it's hard to differentiate unless you are neglectful or abusive (e.g. leaving it in salt water).

 

[dragon3837]

I just got a Domino flipper with the cts-xhp. Its my 1st go round with this steel, after reading all the pros about it im very excited to see how it performs

 

[HwangJino]

I have a spyderco southard with similar steel (maybe I'm mistaken).

But I LOVE this steel! Will take very wide bevels and glide through materials with ease.