Custom Knife Collectors Association – Any in

A collector is a collector is a collector, unless he's also a maker or dealer...?

There's always a potential for abuse, but theres also a good possibility
that such people could bring a useful perspective to the table.
 
I am not in favor of exlcuding makers or dealers. So far, nobody has managed to influence my objectivity about anything - I am willing to risk it. ;) Too many knowledgeable individuals with valuable contributions to make would be left out if such a policy were in place.

A.G. - very suprised to see you referring to dealers as "trash".

Roger
 
RogerP said:
I am not in favor of exlcuding makers or dealers. So far, nobody has managed to influence my objectivity about anything - I am willing to risk it. ;) Too many knowledgeable individuals with valuable contributions to make would be left out if such a policy were in place.

A.G. - very suprised to see you referring to dealers as "trash".

Roger
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Ummmm.....I think that Mr. Russell was being sarcastic, Roger:D Perhaps I should clarify my previous attempt at sarcasm. You have had two of the most respected and influential people in the custom knife business (who happen to primarliy be known as a purveyor and a maker) come on here and say that they think that this is a fantastic idea, that it is something that has been needed for a long time and that they would be willing to throw there full support behind it and help in any way they can. And the next thing we see brought up on this thread is something to the effect of "okay, but only if you are willing to accept some kind of second class membership because we are uncertain about your motives in your capacity of purveyor/maker" Did I miss something?
 
Even if full memberships are limited to collectors, I can't see why makers and dealers/purveyors would not be allowed to join as collectors. As collectors, should they be allowed to promote their businesses, or should they have to conduct themselves as any other collector?

Other than that, full membership could be left open to anyone that has an interest in custom knives. I personally think that as long as makers, dealers and purveyors don't treat the Association like it's only a place to market their product, that they shouldn't be restricted from being full members.
 
North said:
Joe,

You are getting worked up for no reason I believe. Let me refresh your memory about what Kevin said in post #139, "This association will be comprised of some of the most knowledgeable and talented maker's, dealers and collectors in the industry..." The post says "will be", that indicates that it is already decided who will be included so if any of my posts offended you, I'm sorry, and don't worry, my opinions don't matter, the decisions have been made already and makers and dealers are included.

Bill
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Yep, I said that and stand by it. I will not be involved in a collectors association that excludes makers and dealers. So many have so much to contribute and have earned the right to be included in ANY organization that is involved in custom knives IMO.

Now as to what capacity they are involved, I guess that's up for discussion.

With all there is to do here, most of the discussion so far has had to do with who to include/exclude. What's next? Are knife photographers going to be excluded? ;) Coop and Chuck collect knives.

Perhaps we should go into this endeavor with a positive and open mind and assume that no maker or dealer is going to hijack the organization for personnel gain. And if they do attempt to do so, we should have enough collectors to overrule them.
 
Hi Kevin,

That being the case, I think that every member in good standing should have the same privileges.

Bill
 
i like it.

but it is still a bit unclear what advantage it would afford members , if any. what could being a member offer.. how would it put everyone on equal ground , as mentioned earlier.

is the goal, to bring some recognition of custom knives, sort of a nonprofit eductional focus, or more a club of collectors similar to the NKCA?

i'll just say, there is a mere fraction of the custom knife world represented at the National knife museum in Tennessee. maybe such an organization could bring more focus and awareness.
David
 
MisterSat said:
How would this organization differ from the National Knife Collectors Association?
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I think one thing we all agree on is that this would be a custom knife collectors group. Now we only have to determine what the definition of a custom is:D
 
2knife said:
i like it.

but it is still a bit unclear what advantage it would afford members , if any. what could being a member offer.. how would it put everyone on equal ground , as mentioned earlier.

is the goal, to bring some recognition of custom knives, sort of a nonprofit eductional focus, or more a club of collectors similar to the NKCA?

i'll just say, there is a mere fraction of the custom knife world represented at the National knife museum in Tennessee. maybe such an organization could bring more focus and awareness.
David
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David, read post #112 for some ideas in which the association may be of benefit to collectors. There's many ways including the one you mention regarding the Knife Museum.

No, I don't see this as a club, but a structured organization. Only my opinion though. I think members that are regionally located could meet in a club setting to visit and show knives etc..
Perhaps, we would officially meet annually at a breakfast or lunch meeting at the Blade Show.

Not sure what you mean in regard to putting everyone on equal ground? Please explain.
 
jdm61 said:
I think one thing we all agree on is that this would be a custom knife collectors group. Now we only have to determine what the definition of a custom is:D
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Joe, as we get more and more input to this thread the more I realize that if we are ever going to get this organization off the ground we are going have to stop splitting hairs as to what's a collector? What's a custom knife? Just forged knives or ALL?

I like defined lines, structure and focus as it helps to remove the gray areas thus confusion and indirection, however I'm afraid that we may just spin our wheels here until everyone gets frustrated and just drops the whole thing.

My initial approach was that we would start as a very small focused and structured organization and build on that premise.

Looks now that the majority would rather see a large organization encompassing many things which is fine, but we will not be able to satisfy everyone as I don't think we have had one concept with full buy-in.

Opinions????
 
Kevin Jones said:
Joe, as we get more and more input to this thread the more I realize that if we are ever going to get this organization off the ground we are going have to stop splitting hairs as to what's a collector? What's a custom knife? Just forged knives or ALL?

I like defined lines, structure and focus as it helps to remove the gray areas thus confusion and indirection, however I'm afraid that we may just spin our wheels here until everyone gets frustrated and just drops the whole thing.

My initial approach was that we would start as a very small focused and structured organization and build on that premise.

Looks now that the majority would rather see a large organization encompassing many things which is fine, but we will not be able to satisfy everyone as I don't think we have had one concept with full buy-in.

Opinions????
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http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5054008&postcount=129

Stephen
 
Kevin Jones said:
Looks now that the majority would rather see a large organization encompassing many things which is fine, but we will not be able to satisfy everyone as I don't think we have had one concept with full buy-in.

Opinions????
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Pretty much not possible to satisfy everyone. You've received a broad range of input from all corners. But if this thing is to get off the ground, at some point debate must end and a decision made on the basic framework. No matter what choice it taken, there will be vocal opponents. That's just life.

Roger
 
Stephen, I read your post and it contains some GREAT ideas, however as a group of us are refereed to as the exclusive "blade forums forged customs click" even in this thread, IMO we need to keep a Customs Association completely independent from Blade Forums or any other such group. The BFB Bowie projects was very different as it (thanks to you for a great part) started as a fun member exercise, then exploded into a great BF community project and I hope it will continue that way.

I see this as something totally different and don't want to alienate potential members that don't view forums as we do.

On the other hand, I do think we have a good model in manageing the BFB, especially in the way issues were decided upon by vote and the whole project team was involved every step of the way.

Go ahead guys, I have my amour on so fire away.
 
RogerP said:
Pretty much not possible to satisfy everyone. You've received a broad range of input from all corners. But if this thing is to get off the ground, at some point debate must end and a decision made on the basic framework. No matter what choice it taken, there will be vocal opponents. That's just life.

Roger
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I agree Roger.
That was my intent in starting this thread, "to put all the cards on the table" so to speak. Ideas, opinions, views and even complaining is productive here IMO.
 
Maybe we could just pick the starting point of "excuse to drink more beer in the Pit at Blade" and go from there:D But seriously, Kevin......this is your baby. Get all of the input that you can stand and just come up with a framework and throw it out for discussion.:thumbup:
 
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