Custom Striders Overpriced?!?

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Striderco said:
I dont care if they build good knives. If they have lied about their military service i have lost all respect for them! And will not buy another strider! Esav can I change my BF name?
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Wow, you just found out?
It's really old news.
I don't care as what other job (or lack thereof) a maker has doesn't concern me, but the prices should have dropped, seeing as part of the cost was based on supposed military heroics.
I really like my SnG and SmF though.:)
 
If I were a multi-millionaire, I might get one to go with my $2000 pen.
 
Triton said:
This.

If the market is willing to pay the price then they are not over priced. If the market is not willing to pay the price then the prices will be reduced until the knife (or any other item) is not "over priced."
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Precisely. No product is over priced for any appreciable length of time. If it is over priced, people don't buy it. Then the seller lowers the price. Then people buy it. Economics 101.
 
Striderco said:
I dont care if they build good knives. If they have lied about their military service i have lost all respect for them! And will not buy another strider! Esav can I change my BF name?
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To what? MantisFan? DarkOpsLover? If you are thinking of changing your screenname to something else product-based, I'm gonna suggest one thing before you do it....a cursory bit of research! Yugo4ever...NewCokeRulez....
 
Ankerson said:
They are like anything that is expensive, and what expensive is will vary depending on the person. ;)

Overpriced on the other hand is an opinion mostly buy those who can't afford that product at the price in question so they target it saying it's over priced.

The same things happen with a lot of products, not just knives either.

It usually comes down to jealousy and or anger because they just can't or won't afford the item in question knowing to themselves that if they really could afford too buy it they would own it and be bragging about it.

But since they can't they target it, bash it, compare it to cheaper items saying they are just as good or better just to make themselves feel better when they are the real problem, not the product. :rolleyes:

There are a lot of people who can see right through these types of peoples BS.... ;)

There are a lot of things that I can't afford to get and never will, but I accept that and move on, it's called life.... ;)
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I have an SMF, paid hell of a lot less than the market $500 or something, and still I feel it is overpriced.
Your view is a little insulting to be honest. You may say that we hate what we cannot afford, but the truth is that we also hate what we can.
The mathematics here are simple;
What I paid= X
What I think the item is worth = Y
So, if I think : X=Y, I am content
If I think: X<Y , then I am very happy, hell I made a good deal, I am such a smart consumer&#8230;
And if I suspect X > Y I am in trouble, I can do one of two things:
1. Slowly convince myself that actually X is not bigger then Y , make excuses, call it market rules, rethink the craftsmanship, reevaluate the materials and say that everyone else is just to blind to see the truth&#8230; At the end I will convince myself I am happy
2. Or, I can say f%%k this, I got cheated&#8230;. And live with it&#8230;.This is where I stand, you may think whatever you want&#8230;.
:)
 
marcinek said:
Precisely. No product is over priced for any appreciable length of time. If it is over priced, people don't buy it. Then the seller lowers the price. Then people buy it. Economics 101.
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I am not so sure....
I think 2008 proved that market price is a factor of psychology more then real value, and that the Herd psychology of "&#8230;if everyone is buying this it must be worth it&#8230;" will prevail over rational thinking and evaluating the prices for yourself&#8230;
 
MyChaos71 said:
I am not so sure....
I think 2008 proved that market price is a factor of psychology more then real value, and that the Herd psychology of "…if everyone is buying this it must be worth it…" will prevail over rational thinking and evaluating the prices for yourself…
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Yes....and you have backed up my point. People said "…if everyone is buying this it must be worth it…". If something is "worth it"...it is not overpriced. It is ideally priced. It doesn't matter what the reasoning (or lack of reasoning) behind the perception is or what the "real" value is (whatever that means).

People don't buy things that are overpriced. People bought real estate pre-2008, and people buy custom Striders. Hence, they are not overpriced.
 
marcinek said:
Yes....and you have backed up my point. People said "&#8230;if everyone is buying this it must be worth it&#8230;". If something is "worth it"...it is not overpriced. It is ideally priced. It doesn't matter what the reasoning (or lack of reasoning) behind the perception is or what the "real" value is (whatever that means).

People don't buy things that are overpriced. People bought real estate pre-2008, and people buy custom Striders. Hence, they are not overpriced.
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Not true...
When you assign value according to what other people think and not according to real parameters, you end up with a mortgage on a 500K house, that is now only worth 250K.
Because now people suddenly think differently&#8230;.
Then again, this is an old story, it was told long ago&#8230;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emperor's_New_Clothes
 
MyChaos71 said:
Not true...
When you assign value according to what other people think and not according to real parameters, you end up with a mortgage on a 500K house, that is now only worth 250K.
Because now people suddenly think differently….
Then again, this is an old story, it was told long ago…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emperor's_New_Clothes
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Again, you back up my point. If you assign a value to a house, and choose to buy the house becuase it's selling price is near or below that value...then the house isn't overpriced.

People think I'm nuts to spend $200 dollars on a knife. Is that knife overpriced? No. I paid for it. Other people have paid for it. If it was overpriced, I wouldn't have bought it. Nobody would have. And the manufacturer would have been forced to lower the price.

Are people buying custom Striders? Yes. Hence not overpriced.
Did people buy 500K houses? Yes. Hence not overpriced.

The price of those houses now is irrelevant. The price was driven by what people felt was an acceptable amount to pay then.
 
marcinek said:
Again, you back up my point. If you assign a value to a house, and choose to buy the house becuase it's selling price is near or below that value...then the house isn't overpriced.

People think I'm nuts to spend $200 dollars on a knife. Is that knife overpriced? No. I paid for it. Other people have paid for it. If it was overpriced, I wouldn't have bought it. Nobody would have. And the manufacturer would have been forced to lower the price.

Are people buying custom Striders? Yes. Hence not overpriced.
Did people buy 500K houses? Yes. Hence not overpriced.

The price of those houses now is irrelevant. The price was driven by what people felt was an acceptable amount to pay then.
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You make no sense my friend, according to you every price is always the right price&#8230;.

Well my definition is a little more complicated, it involves parameters specific to the item ( materials, craftsmanship, artistic quality&#8230;etc&#8230;), and not only the sheer fact of " were you able to find someone who will buy it&#8230;"
Because at the end of the day, that person with a 500K mortgage on a 250K house, know all too well what "overpriced" is&#8230;.
No, your logic is the one that caused 2008&#8230;. And it is the definition of an over inflated market.
 
neuron said:
The time/skill of the knifemaker grinding the blade is the main thing you're paying for in most custom knives; it's nothing specific to Mick Strider/Duane Dwyer customs. Many makers of custom folders use CNC to cut the scales and various other parts -- Rick Hinderer and RJ Martin, just to name two very well-known guys. And, of course, depending on how skilled, well-known, in demand, etc. the maker is, the more his time is worth and the more he (or his dealers) can charge for his time. Just to use the example of Hinderer and Martin again, Rick's customs sell from dealers for significantly more than most MSC/DDCs, and RJ's go for around the same amount (starting around $800 and going up to $1000+).
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RJ's knives are worth the money..
 
MyChaos71 said:
You make no sense my friend, according to you every price is always the right price….

Well my definition is a little more complicated, it involves parameters specific to the item ( materials, craftsmanship, artistic quality…etc…), and not only the sheer fact of " were you able to find someone who will buy it…"
Because at the end of the day, that person with a 500K mortgage on a 250K house, know all too well what "overpriced" is….
No, your logic is the one that caused 2008…. And it is the definition of an over inflated market.
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Every price people pay for something is the right price. Or else they wouldn't pay it.

But...I guess you have the complicated definition of "overpriced," and that must be the one that's right. Undercomplicated definitions don't make sense. Its the old KICS or "Keep It Complicated, Stupid" rule, I guess. What was I thinking.
 
They have lied about their military service, or lack of, for many years. Nothing new there. So, for me, I have never owned a strider and never will. So I can't comment on the value of their knives.

There was a very long thread on here a while back about strider, his legal convictions (felony theft I think it was), lies, frauds, and apologies once he was busted as a fake.
 
marcinek said:
Every price people pay for something is the right price. Or else they wouldn't pay it.

But...I guess you have the complicated definition of "overpriced," and that must be the one that's right. Undercomplicated definitions don't make sense. Its the old KICS or "Keep It Complicated, Stupid" rule, I guess. What was I thinking.
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:)
I just dont agree....
 
MyChaos71 said:
I have an SMF, paid hell of a lot less than the market $500 or something, and still I feel it is overpriced.
Your view is a little insulting to be honest. You may say that we hate what we cannot afford, but the truth is that we also hate what we can.
The mathematics here are simple;
What I paid= X
What I think the item is worth = Y
So, if I think : X=Y, I am content
If I think: X<Y , then I am very happy, hell I made a good deal, I am such a smart consumer&#8230;
And if I suspect X > Y I am in trouble, I can do one of two things:
1. Slowly convince myself that actually X is not bigger then Y , make excuses, call it market rules, rethink the craftsmanship, reevaluate the materials and say that everyone else is just to blind to see the truth&#8230; At the end I will convince myself I am happy
2. Or, I can say f%%k this, I got cheated&#8230;. And live with it&#8230;.This is where I stand, you may think whatever you want&#8230;.
:)
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See post #12...... Oh you quoted it, never mind... ;)
 
MyChaos71 said:
:)
I just dont agree....
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Are people buying overpriced items to "buy in" before the prices of those overpriced items plummet? I've been some buying things with the hope their price goes up, at which point I can sell. Duh! I must have the whole thing backwards! :) I guess that's why I'm broke.
 
The prices really aren't too high for those who can afford them, they range from $1000 to around $1800 depending on if Duane or Mick made them, materials ect.

All depends on what people what to spend their money on IMO.

They are out of my price range, but for those who can afford them they are nice. :)

I look at things like that like I do Rolex Watches, they are nice, but I will never own one so I really don't think about it.
 
marcinek said:
Every price people pay for something is the right price. Or else they wouldn't pay it....
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BS/gross oversimplification. Doesn't really apply to Strider knives, but here are plenty of situations when people pay because there is no other choice. According to your statement ransom is also right price, as long as you can pay it...
I am not sure I understand what are you trying to prove, overpriced is very subjective assessment, what is overpriced for one person is perfectly priced for another. We wouldn't even have the word overpriced if things were as you describe.
 
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