Custom Striders Overpriced?!?

[marcinek]

BS/gross oversimplification.

Goodness. Now my claim has been called, "BS," "an oversimplification", "uncomplicated," and "nonsensical." And I think I was also blamed for the 2008 housing bubble's collapse and ensuing recession.

Like I said before, I have deferred to MyChaos' claim that people buy items they feel are overpriced, like Strider customs and 500K houses. So you can relax, my friend. I'm with the program. I'm off to get my hands on some overpriced stuff while I still have the chance! That stuff is selling like hotcakes!

 

[alex]

Every price people pay for something is the right price. Or else they wouldn't pay it.But...I guess you have the complicated definition of "overpriced," and that must be the one that's right. Undercomplicated definitions don't make sense. Its the old KICS or "Keep It Complicated, Stupid" rule, I guess. What was I thinking.

Marcinek, Your economic philosophy seems to follow the Greater Fool Theory. A link for your reading pleasure is here:

http://hopetoprosper.com/the-greater-fool-theory/

It is exactly what happens to create bubbles in whatever it is that people are buying. I see it a lot with the Busse offerings where frenzied people buy multiples of limited regular production issue knives just to be able to try and flip them at a profit from "greater fools". Busse has his marketing/production down to a science. Although he does make a very good product for what I believe to be an inflated price for a production item. The beauty of our capitalistic system is that everyone is free to spend their money as they wish.

 

[Gator97]

Goodness. Now my claim has been called, "BS," "an oversimplification", "uncomplicated," and "nonsensical." And I think I was also blamed for the 2008 housing bubble's collapse and ensuing recession.

I suspect your feelings aren't hurt by either one of those And yes, the type of thinking you are promoting was partially responsible for bubble and its collapse, i.e. ensuing recession. Relax, you were not alone, at least for now you can't cause all the trouble...

P.S. Actually, I can argue that most items of the are overpriced, and people are forced to pay it, because it's not available for cheaper. Normally, everyone is trying to get stuff for lesser price, right? If we go by what people are "willing" which is what your theory clings to, then majority of the people are willing to pay as little as possible. Ideally, get stuff for free

 

[Ankerson]

Marcinek, Your economic philosophy seems to follow the Greater Fool Theory. A link for your reading pleasure is here:

http://hopetoprosper.com/the-greater-fool-theory/

It is exactly what happens to create bubbles in whatever it is that people are buying. I see it a lot with the Busse offerings where frenzied people buy multiples of limited regular production issue knives just to be able to try and flip them at a profit from "greater fools". Busse has his marketing/production down to a science. Although he does make a very good product for what I believe to be an inflated price for a production item. The beauty of our capitalistic system is that everyone is free to spend their money as they wish.

There are a a lot of variables to pricing and or the system and what people buy and why they buy what they do or not buy things.

There are different kinds of shoppers.

There are the ones who only look at price and they will by the cheapest stuff they can, Frugal people.... (Quality or anything other than cheap doesn't matter) These are the idiots and the main reason why a lot of things are the way they are these days. And why there is so much garbage on the market these days in a general since. Consumer stupidity creates a lot of issues and the people who manufacture and sell that junk know how stupid they really are too believe me. They will keep making the junk because the morons just keep buying that stuff over and over again, and they know it's junk when it's being made.

There are the ones who look at a product they want and find a good price on that product.... It will be the same exact product, but slightly less price wise ect. (These are the smart ones)

Then there are the ones who just don't care what stuff costs, they just buy it without thinking about it.

 

[RandomAyes]

To what? MantisFan? DarkOpsLover? If you are thinking of changing your screenname to something else product-based, I'm gonna suggest one thing before you do it....a cursory bit of research! Yugo4ever...NewCokeRulez....

MicrosoftOfficePaperclip Gawd I hated that unholy thing.

 

[pvicenzi]

Nope. Although I wouldn't pay the asking price, they sell quickly. Therefore they are not over priced.

 

[Gator97]

Nope. Although I wouldn't pay the asking price, they sell quickly. Therefore they are not over priced.

Hmm, so you wouldn't pay the asking price, why? You don't like the particular number combination? Or because for you it's overpriced/not worth it, etc?

 

[marcinek]

Marcinek, Your economic philosophy seems to follow the Greater Fool Theory. A link for your reading pleasure is here:

http://hopetoprosper.com/the-greater-fool-theory/

It is exactly what happens to create bubbles in whatever it is that people are buying. I see it a lot with the Busse offerings where frenzied people buy multiples of limited regular production issue knives just to be able to try and flip them at a profit from "greater fools". Busse has his marketing/production down to a science. Although he does make a very good product for what I believe to be an inflated price for a production item. The beauty of our capitalistic system is that everyone is free to spend their money as they wish.

Well, as long as you are implying I am the greater fool, thats fine! Go big or don't go at all, I always say.

The point you make is an excellent one. Those frenzied people are not buying because the items are overpriced. If anything, they are buying because the they feel the items are underpriced. You buy an underpriced item, maybe the "greater fool" comes in, thinking it's still underpriced at the price you want to sell it at, and buys it. You make profit.

To buy an overpriced item is not to be a "greater fool", but a "complete idiot." "Buy high, sell low!"

That is why Strider customs are not overpriced. If they were, no one would buy them.

But, what do I know....I'm just a uncomplicated, nonsensical, oversimple guy. Barely walk and chew gum, apparently.

 

[marcinek]

Hmm, so you wouldn't pay the asking price, why? You don't like the particular number combination? Or because for you it's overpriced/not worth it, etc?

Crazy idea from dopey ol' marcinek....maybe he doesn't like them.

 

[hardheart]

But, what do I know....

About economics, not much. I'd suggest you stay on topic, but you manage to never actually discuss knives in any capacity.

 

[marcinek]

About economics, not much. I'd suggest you stay on topic, but you manage to never actually discuss knives in any capacity.

And I'd suggest you read post #48.

But, since you're the moderator, I'll respectfully bow out of this one.

 

[Reeek]

I sure wouldn't mind having a custom Strider but the time would have to be just right before I had a grand to plunk down on one single knife. I love my SMF to death - it's one of the best overall knives in my lot And I have a decent lot too. It's smooth, locks up tight in every direction, dead centered blade and carries well (it's a CC model)

But to be 100% objective, I personally don't have a lot of love or need for busy blade grinds. I really like the standard Strider fare as far as blade grinds go and in fact, I would even prefer they didn't taper the edge to a thicker, duller edge toward the tip. I like sharp knives that cut easily and well from tang to tip over multi-purpose grinds anyway.

But then, there aren't many knives, if any, that are "perfect" to me anyway. I shoot for as close as I can get Or I'd never own a knife. Perfection is fleeting and often temporary . . .

 

[Noctis3880]

Every knife we buy is overpriced if the question is how expensive a knife has to be in order to cut things:thumbup:.

 

[scouter27]

BS/gross oversimplification. Doesn't really apply to Strider knives, but here are plenty of situations when people pay because there is no other choice. According to your statement ransom is also right price, as long as you can pay it...
I am not sure I understand what are you trying to prove, overpriced is very subjective assessment, what is overpriced for one person is perfectly priced for another. We wouldn't even have the word overpriced if things were as you describe.

And a TERRIBLE strawman at that. Watch me apply it to basic economics:

If someone is kidnapped, and the kidnapper asks for more money than the kidnapped person's next of kin has available, they have overpriced their "product". The kidnapper also doesn't want to ask for too little, because then they aren't effectively managing their time and effort. They have to ask for the right amount of money in order to get the most out of their hostage.


Economics should apparently be required in elementary school or something.


Nothing that is bought in enough quantity to perpetuate it's production is overpriced. NOTHING.

We are arguing two points here. Opinion of (subjectively) too-expensive and economically (objectively) overpriced.

Are Strider knives expensive? By comparison to most knives out there, indeed they are.

Are they too expensive? Depends on your personal amount of fun money and priorities with it.
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Are they overpriced? Maybe. To know, we have to look at sales.

Do they sell regularly? Yes

Are they overpriced? No.

I think that's pretty simple.

 

[RedLynx]

It might look relatively simple, but the whole "not overpriced because it's what people are willing to pay" rings true. The fact is that "overpriced" means nothing, as it is a completely subjective view. Lots of people own and love Striders in the same way they own and love, say, BRKTs. But I think that what I get for the price of a BRKT (not to mention horrendous wait time in getting it) makes it overpriced. That and I won't buy one for a few other personal reasons. Bottom line is, a bunch of people would disagree with me on this knife or that knife being overpriced if they own it and love it, but I can still stand on the other side and say, for me subjectively, that it is overpriced. And I'd still be right. And so would they. It's subjective, not definitive.

 

[RedLynx]

And thank you scouter27 for that last informative post, it was great and I appreciate your level-headed nature. Obviously I argue that overpriced is more a subjective thing, and we can see clearly that it at least has a subjective side to it.

 

[Ankerson]

And a TERRIBLE strawman at that. Watch me apply it to basic economics:

If someone is kidnapped, and the kidnapper asks for more money than the kidnapped person's next of kin has available, they have overpriced their "product". The kidnapper also doesn't want to ask for too little, because then they aren't effectively managing their time and effort. They have to ask for the right amount of money in order to get the most out of their hostage.


Economics should apparently be required in elementary school or something.


Nothing that is bought in enough quantity to perpetuate it's production is overpriced. NOTHING.

We are arguing two points here. Opinion of (subjectively) too-expensive and economically (objectively) overpriced.

Are Strider knives expensive? By comparison to most knives out there, indeed they are.

Are they too expensive? Depends on your personal amount of fun money and priorities with it.
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Are they overpriced? Maybe. To know, we have to look at sales.

Do they sell regularly? Yes

Are they overpriced? No.

I think that's pretty simple.

Exactly.

If they were indeed overpriced then the prices would be coming down, not either staying the same or going up.

Overpriced is only an opinion and we know what opinions are like.....

The market sets the price, not opinions.

If a product or products are selling for $1000 plus as fast as you can make them, why in the hell would one lower the price?

If a product is out of someones price range it doesn't mean it's over priced, it just means that person can't afford it....... Then I refer back to post #12.....

The problem falls on the individual person , not the price of the product. Again back to post #12....

Doesn't matter if the product costs $50 or $5000......

 

[Apec]

What I find interesting is how they've used alloys that no other, or very vew custom makers have worked with (i.e. NiTiNOL 60, S110V, and so forth). But I won't bother with custom Striders when that money can go into guns, ammo, and more knives.

 

[scouter27]

I've changed my mind, they ARE overpriced. Everyone stop buying them at once, so the prices come down and I can buy more Striders!

yay, I win the internet!

 

[Striderco]

Am going to change my name to ILUVMARCINEK! Yes everyone stop buying custom striders so the price lowers and then I will no longer feel they are overpriced and I will buy one!