CUSTOM WSK's????

RicBrannon said:
Roger really is a great guy and a great maker.

Ric
Click to expand...

LRoger is GREAT MAKER I BELIEVE YOU!
GREAT GUY I DON'T KNOW.
MAYBE IF YOU KEEP YOU PREMISES.
keep something in mind"just give him a break"
He should decided for itself for a break.
Thank you for tell US_would be a 1 1/2 to 2 year wait because he is so busy_
I guess you too must be very good old friend!!
Why your friend don't answer people here no more.....
I don't know I GUESS BUSY OR EMBARRASS!?

Start .....with ....this
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=390178&highlight=ishiyumisan

or maybe He don't know!
2 year wait....

Mark
 
Thanks and no - not embarrased. I just don't get on the computer as much anymore since becoming a full time maker. When I had a day job, like normal people, and only made a knife every month or two just for the heck of it Bladeforums was kinda like another hobby for me (an instructor to me too). Now that knife making is the ONLY thing that pays the bills things are a bit different. It is true that for new orders it looks like about a 2 year backlog. Impossible to pin down real close because anything can happen to help speed or slow. In addition I am not the fastest knife maker around.

I do answer emails and try to do that every couple days. I am sure some mail has gotten lost or neglected in the shuffle and the yaho.com address is not the best to use. The very best way to email me is via my netzero.net address. Lots of people have it here. I wish not to write it here because of the web crawlers (I get lots of SPAM everyday as it is because the address is on my web site). Because of the SPAM, sometimes a few legitimate mailings gets deleted. I try to remember to look at my 'deleted' file before closing out the email program but sometimes overlook one that should not have been deleted.

Thanks fellows. (Steve, you are a super guy to deal with pal and Ric, it was a pleasure making those two great designs of yours.)

BTW, photos were easy to find time for taking and preparing when I was making a knife or two here and there. I still try to email a photo or two but am not as active with the camera as I was before going full time. I would rather shoot pictures than breath dust but can't do that as often anymore. Gotta make that dust before there is anything to photo.

Roger
-----
 
just finished this up...thought I'd share with y'all.

wsk1.jpg
 
I just got my WSK from Roger last month and couldn't be happier. The last couple post have said it all. Great guy. Wade
 
Myakka - email sent.


I agree the rlinger is a great guy. I still owe you one, Roger.
 
Hey Roger, thanks for the nod and hope all is well, still thinking about what to do with the handle, Daniel i applaude your originality and def. think your on to something there . . took a bit to get to use too at first, put I see that you have a vivid vision of what you are trying to accomplish. Good work and good luck.
 
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=404745

Guys can you help me with this discussion? Who has legal ownership and the right to produce the WSK design. Rumor has it the RS6 Blades is in battle with Tom Brown over the right to produce this knife.
Tom Brown is on the war path and is supposed to coming after all makers of the WSK's. The Discussion is on does he own the design or not and does he have the right to keep others from making it?
 
bartman2 said:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=404745

Guys can you help me with this discussion? Who has legal ownership and the right to produce the WSK design. Rumor has it the RS6 Blades is in battle with Tom Brown over the right to produce this knife.
Tom Brown is on the war path and is supposed to coming after all makers of the WSK's. The Discussion is on does he own the design or not and does he have the right to keep others from making it?
Click to expand...

You know when all you hear about a person is bad then you start to think maybe that the person is bad. Every time I hear about TB jr it's always in a bad light. The guy is rich beyond means from milking the ageing soul searching yuppies and now he wants to go after knife makers. If someone made a exact in everyway duplicate of the TOPS blade then I would say go for it but most WSK desingners all have to some varying degree differences in their designs. I find it humorous that he will go after Red Scorpion Six a small just getting started company but doesn't have the balls to try and bluff an established maker. Tom should turn around and thank the knife community and instead he spits on it.
 
This has already been discussed ad nauseum...both in general (regarding copyrights on designs) and on who "owns" the tracker design - see the thread where Beck makes a reply to this very question.

Copyrights are only as good as your lawyers and your wallet. Ask Ken Onion about copyright battles and how much $$$ they are.

Do some reading on the Lile "Rambo style" knife and how much it has been copied, and the attempts to control the copyright.

I'm sorry to be a sourpuss...I'm not being defensive...mine is merely "inspired" and almost nothing like the Tracker model. And I would never accuse Roger of having copied the Tracker design (which is a copied design itself).

This is just a semantic, hypothetical argument that won't really be very helpful.

There is someone here on this board who has shown their Linger WSK to Brown and he didn't burst into flames...so perhaps you got some bad info?
 
I spoke with Aaron of RS6 Blades and he said they were threatening to sue and it was their intent to pursue all the makers of WSK designs. The details are in the new thread. I would like to see the real deal on this design. I don't agree that someone should dictate who or what someone can sell unless it is an outright copy.
I was not aware of any other thread. Can you please help me with which one it is? Thanks
Eric T.
 
bartman2 said:
I spoke with Aaron of RS6 Blades and he said they were threatening to sue and it was their intent to pursue all the makers of WSK designs. The details are in the new thread. I would like to see the real deal on this design. I don't agree that someone should dictate who or what someone can sell unless it is an outright copy.
I was not aware of any other thread. Can you please help me with which one it is? Thanks
Eric T.
Click to expand...

I hope it's alright, then it should be fun.:eek:
I am wondering how many people will apply.:D
 
Having worked for years in copyrights, trademarks, design and utility patents (Intellectual property law), I can tell you that if anything applied to this WSK knife of Tom Brown's, then Tops, it would have to be a design patent, not a copyright, trademark. A utility patent is the strongest protection, since both offensive and defensive claims are allowed, but I doubt such a patent exists. Harlow C. Platts has a utility patent on his bifuricated (split) tang knives. It was a unique way to construct a knife, not the knife's appearance. Henry B. Baer protected his design of the now familiar 15OT Deerslayer with a design patent which only protected it's appearance. Had anyone wanted to, they could well have modified his design and produced a similar knife. Design (and utility patents) are for a specified period of time, not forever. The idea of a patent is to assure the inventor a period of exclusive rights to a design. After that period expires, the design/invention becomes public domain, and anyone who wishes to can produce it.


The only thing that kept cutlers from making copies of the Deerslayer after the design patent expired was a respect for the Baers and Schrade Cutlery. The same goes for his Sharpfinger design.

Now, he might well have a copyright or trademark on the name Tom Brown Tracker, but can anyone show me the design patent for the TB WSK? What was it's origin date? Merely being the first to come up with an invention or ornamental design is not good enough.

Codger (Master Patent Illustrator)
 
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=372252&highlight=Brown+Tracker

As I thought, Mr. Brown has trademarked the name "Tracker" for his knife, not the design itself. And the term "WSK" is too generic and widely used to be trademarked. Wanna make a copy? He doesn't mind. Just don't call it a Tom Brown Tracker. As with the name Sharp Finger in the ISC intellectual property portfolio of Taylor Brands LLC. Make all of the knives of that design you want. You just can't call it a Sharp Finger.

Codger
 
Hmmm. . than why all this talk about him going after the R6? check out some othere Threads . .don't know.
 
Codger_64 said:
Having worked for years in copyrights, trademarks, design and utility patents (Intellectual property law), I can tell you that if anything applied to this WSK knife of Tom Brown's, then Tops, it would have to be a design patent, not a copyright, trademark. A utility patent is the strongest protection, since both offensive and defensive claims are allowed, but I doubt such a patent exists. Harlow C. Platts has a utility patent on his bifuricated (split) tang knives. It was a unique way to construct a knife, not the knife's appearance. Henry B. Baer protected his design of the now familiar 15OT Deerslayer with a design patent which only protected it's appearance. Had anyone wanted to, they could well have modified his design and produced a similar knife. Design (and utility patents) are for a specified period of time, not forever. The idea of a patent is to assure the inventor a period of exclusive rights to a design. After that period expires, the design/invention becomes public domain, and anyone who wishes to can produce it.


The only thing that kept cutlers from making copies of the Deerslayer after the design patent expired was a respect for the Baers and Schrade Cutlery. The same goes for his Sharpfinger design.

Now, he might well have a copyright or trademark on the name Tom Brown Tracker, but can anyone show me the design patent for the TB WSK? What was it's origin date? Merely being the first to come up with an invention or ornamental design is not good enough.

Codger (Master Patent Illustrator)
Click to expand...

Would you mind putting this in our discussion on this thread I think it is extremely valid. TB is threatening RS6Blades with a lawsuit. I am trying to see if he will talk about it on the thread. They are claiming a Design infringement of overall appearance. i don't have ll the details. I just think what turd to try and push the guy out when he is just a start up and only did limited production anyway.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=404745
 
I'll copy/paste it as a quote there for you. I e-mailed Aaron tonight asking for some clarification. I'm not sure just how much he can discuss a legal situation on a public forum, but.... IF Mr. Brown holds a valid design or utility patent, it will be a matter of public record and a brief novelty search should turn it up. If he does not, and he has produced and sold the knife for more than a year, then it is indeed public domain, and he is SOL. Anyone can make copies (I have not seen Aaron's knife, so don't know how it's design differs) as long as they don't use his trademarked names. A trademark does not protect a design of an object, nor it's utility in performance.

Codger

Not a valid link to the thread.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top