Cutting Competition

Sounds very attractive.
There's something similar in a bicycle race often held in Europe (like le tour de France).
The rider (or team) wins, not bike.
The cutter wins, not knife.
Everyone knows it.
But things are not that simple as there certainly exists a competition between the equipments as the failure of knife means the competitor lose.
 
Great stuff, Mike and Donovan!

In the other thread, it was suggested that the cleaver-like shape on most of these knives isn't that attractive, but any knife chopping a 2x4 in 6-20 strikes and then going through the rest of the competition looks very good to me.

How much practice does it take to be able to cut and chop like the pros in this sport?

Do competitors like Scott Devanna have a leg up because he designs the steel being used?
 
The pics seem to support this, but I'll ask, are all the competition knives using horse stall mat (hsm) for handle material? Tractor Supply must make a killing :)
 
Great stuff, Mike and Donovan!

Do competitors like Scott Devanna have a leg up because he designs the steel being used?

Scott consistantly does very well but others often win so I don't think he has an advantage because of his profession. Knifemakers are also very good about sharing their knowledge.

It's kind of like car racing. You have to have a great car and driver to get to the pro level but once you are there you are pretty equal to the other pros.
 
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Again, I want to point out that I am an observer, photographer, writer and knifemaker but I have never competed in a cutting competition or made a competition knife.

Donavan, or any other competitor, if you disagree with any information I post please correct me. Experience trumps observation any day.
 
I have already introduced myself in the other thread that Mike referred to in the first post of this thread, but for those of you just joining us, I am Donavon Phillips and I compete in the BladeSports competitions. I am proudly sponsored by Spyderco. I will be glad to answer any questions, I will do so to the best of my ability. And I would like to thank Mike C. again for starting this thread.


Thanks for entertaining some questions Donavon. Which technique, if any, is most difficult for you with your particular blade? Also, how long have you been using/carrying a big knife to chop?
 
I'm surprised that competition blades don't have any curvature. Wouldn't some curvature help cut the thick rope?

Some do have curvature, the problem I have with belly on a blade, is that it is prone to push away the material you are trying to cut. You have to be more careful about what part of the blade you are using. The 2" free hanging rope is very particular about how you hit it.

Again, I want to point out that I am an observer, photographer, writer and knifemaker but I have never competed in a cutting competition or made a competition knife.

Donavan, or any other competitor, if you disagree with any information I post please correct me. Experience trumps observation any day.

Doing a great job to me Mike.

Thanks for entertaining some questions Donavon. Which technique, if any, is most difficult for you with your particular blade? Also, how long have you been using/carrying a big knife to chop?

I would say tip speed. I like my blades balanced more toward the tip for more power on chopping. This decreases my tip speed and also makes the drawback on the paper towel roll a little more difficult.

The second question will require a little longer answer. I had a vivid imagination as a child and lived in the country. So instead of playing with "toys" I played swordsman with a stick. I eventually graduated to a machete and cut down trees with it, (It gets boring in the country sometimes), also walking through the woods cutting limbs off of trees and such in my quest to conquer whoever I was fighting at the time. This may seem irrevelant but that is where I first started swinging a blade. I joked with my dad when I got into cutting competitions that I bet he never thought that all those trees I killed would eventually lead to this. At my first competition I was asked how long I had been swinging a blade. I thought he meant a competition blade, so I told him I had only made the knife 2 or 3 months ago. He kept asking me the same question ( I wasn't getting it) I finally got what he meant and my answer was that I had been swinging a machete since I was 9 or 10.

This is probably a lot more info than you wanted but they were good questions.
 
hey, just curious. i can't find that horse stall mat rubber thicker than 1/4". anyone know where i can get thicker? does anyone use different handle material? also, how would a production knife do in a competition like this, namely the Browning Crowell/Barker Cutting Competition knife? like i said, just curious because i have this knife and wouldn't mind putting a rubber handle on it and trying my hand out at this competition thing next time around. thanks
 
I know that Mr. Phillips described how he sharpens his blade in the other thread, I was wondering how some of the other competitors sharpened theirs? Do they finish it off with a high polish (mirror finish) or is it left a little more toothy?

I would also like to know a little more about the performance of M4 in the smaller knives Mr. Phillips carries and how it performs in everyday tasks.

I am really enjoying this and the other thread. Thanks to Mike Carter and Mr. Phillips for all of their contributions. By the way Mr. Phillips can chop a 2x4 like a chainsaw!
 
Mike great thread. Love them comp knives

Good of you to inform and educate on these knives
 
Mike great thread. Love them comp knives

Good of you to inform and educate on these knives

Thanks. I have found the competition cutters to be a great group of guys. As a knifemaker, I appreciate how they push the envelope in finding what a knife can do and then generously share what they have learned with the rest of us.

It really shows in how the knives and the competition has evolved in just 6 or 7 years. Much has been learned about blade steels, heat treatment, edge geometry, knife design and cutting technique from what they are doing.

I don't make competition knives but I do want my knives to be tough and reliable. I have applied a lot of what I have learned from talking with different competitiors and competition knifemakers,
 
mike and any other makers reading.....could u explain a little about the geometry of your blades in competitions.....r they all flat ground....convex edge?.....how do u go about sharpening....r they highly polished edges?.....what about hardness?.....thanks for any info.....very interesting thread......ryan
 
Do you guys think that a competition knife would also make a great kitchen knife?
 
hey, just curious. i can't find that horse stall mat rubber thicker than 1/4". anyone know where i can get thicker? does anyone use different handle material? also, how would a production knife do in a competition like this, namely the Browning Crowell/Barker Cutting Competition knife? like i said, just curious because i have this knife and wouldn't mind putting a rubber handle on it and trying my hand out at this competition thing next time around. thanks

Try Tractor Supply if you have one close. Most BladeSports guys use the rubber handles. The Browning knife is good, tough knife. Most think it is a little light for competition, but it might be "the one" for you. Won't know til you try it. I put rubber handles on mine. We had a Browning comp in Mt. View, AR in 2008. Only had 5 competitors but we had to use the Browning knife and Browning gave out prizes. I won a Buckmark URX for the grand prize. :D Hope to see you at a comp.

I know that Mr. Phillips described how he sharpens his blade in the other thread, I was wondering how some of the other competitors sharpened theirs? Do they finish it off with a high polish (mirror finish) or is it left a little more toothy?

I would also like to know a little more about the performance of M4 in the smaller knives Mr. Phillips carries and how it performs in everyday tasks.

I am really enjoying this and the other thread. Thanks to Mike Carter and Mr. Phillips for all of their contributions. By the way Mr. Phillips can chop a 2x4 like a chainsaw!

To answer the question about the smaller knives I carry out of M4. I love them. I put the 4" through alot. One of the most abusive I have done is cutting dried urethane out of a steel manifold with brass nozzles. Urethane is the stuff that seals your windshield. I hit the steel and brass with the edge and only had light chipping. I have that knife ground very thin and in 10 min with DMT duo fold it shaving hair again. I have done this twice, and not because it is fun either.

mike and any other makers reading.....could u explain a little about the geometry of your blades in competitions.....r they all flat ground....convex edge?.....how do u go about sharpening....r they highly polished edges?.....what about hardness?.....thanks for any info.....very interesting thread......ryan

Most of the blades in BladeSports are flat ground with convex edge. I say most because you never know what somebody will show up with at the next cut. And we use polished edges. As far as hardness, mine and several others run our comp knives at 61 Rc. One of the things I like about M4 is you can polish the edge and it still has some "teeth", more than some other steels I have used.

Do you guys think that a competition knife would also make a great kitchen knife?

Edge thickness and geometry, Yes. Weight, no. The lighter comp knives weigh around 1lb 3oz. My comp knife weighs 1lb 9oz. Cant pull off the mincing without getting tired. ;) Plus I am scared I would get excited and try to chop the cutting board into. :D It's in the blood, can't help it. See wood, gotta cut it.
 
Many competitiors have gone to this design because it allows more weight to be forward on the blade.

Similar to the blunted tips on choppers like certain parang and golok types. This 2009 one is how I imagined a competitive chopper blade, with that extra mass at the end... if there's no real "pokin' competitions" at the event, seems a near-ideal design to me.
 
Hi guys, I thought I should join in here and tell you a little about myself.
I founded the UK 'branch' of BladeSports along witha friend, Owen Bush, and am currently rated the #1 cutter in BladeSports UK competitions. I had the great pleasure of attending Blade this year to cut with and compete against Donovan and the other guys and managed a 4th place finish.


The knife I used in the competition at Blade had a handle of super-thick black micarta I had specially made up for the purpose (original slabs were 5/8" thick) but have only just been able to source suitable horse stall matting to experiment with recently via friends in Holland. I am just finishing off a new experimental competition knife (experimental for me) to a very similar design to the one that Shawn Scott used in the World Championship cut, and it has a handle of this rubber. It is the first competiton knife I have made to this design or with this sort of handle. All my previous competition knives had solid handles of micarta.

My competition knives tend to all be full flat grinds with highly polished convex edges.

I'm willing to help answer whatever questions I can, but please don't ask me about M4 steel, coz I know nothing about it other than to say that the guys your side of the pond seem to getting on very well with it !
I make my knives from 01 by the stock removal method.

Edit : I don't recall seeing any video links in this thread yet, so I'll post these up for your amusement...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyKr2elK3eQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxQIGfemlNY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRNiAhrIqNo
 
Welcome Ian. It was a pleasure to meet you at the Blade Show. I hope you and some of your other cutters can come back and visit us again.

Did you see your picture and story in the October issue of Blade Magazine?
 
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