Dad got robbed, should I arm him?

Ok, he got home. Here's full story. He inserted the key into the lock. Got armlocked and he extracted key and rang the door bell. The 5 guys got him, armlocked him and punched him in the eye. There and got away with a Debit card, bank book, MY EXPIRED PASSPORT, a bankbook, wallet with $200, metrocard, his phonebook of buddies and a cell phone. I ran down stairs, lighting up the block with my G2, they were gone by then. Called cops, they came with in 1.5 minutes. He went to the hospital to get his eye checked. I cancelled the phone.
Cops came, did a report and a patrol. He went to the hospital.
 
GarageBoy said:
Also, being asian guys in a black, gangsta neighborhood doesn't help
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unless you yourself sport yakuza like tattoos...

but seriously, yes, you're right. maybe consider picking up krav maga.
 
If your father was not seriously hurt you don't want to alter his situation/behaviour such that he gets badly hurt the next time. On the other hand if he is perceived as an easy target he could get targeted repeatedly until he does get hurt.

First he needs to be more aware of his surroundings and be prepared to back out of possible trouble in a hurry. He needs to become an unprofitable target and never carry much cash in and out of that door. Rather than escalating the level of violence with weapons (a losing proposition if there are 5 of them and you can't carry a Glock) I suggest undermining the gang's security. I would get a combination shriek alarm and strobe light. Criminals don't want to have a lot of witnesses to a violent crime. If a dozen people see them in the act and can identify them it is bad. They are likely to move along.

http://store.firstratesecurity.com/mac3in1spors.html

I would also make the area around the front door an insecure location for the offenders. A security camera and lights would make it a bad place to set up.

Personally I would move. For example I got out of Los Angeles and moved to a safe area of Colorado. It is also fairly easy to get a concealed carry permit here and we have Make my Day laws.
 
Larry S. said:
Speaking of looking for signs of trouble....this quote comes from a list of Marine Corps. rules for gunfighting (another forum so I won't name it but Google will find it for you)......

"Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet."
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I hope you don't mind, but I'm going to borrow that quote and put it in my sig. line.:D.
 
Until one understands about getting out ahead of the perp or perps OODA through mindset and then training, most will succumb to the multiple attacks.

Get them off their game and offensive behaviour means you take the offensive, break free through their OODA loops and move to an offensive posture [ taking the attack to them ], or you will always be a victim.

Weapons on a person are useless under a surprise attack such as this.

More awareness on dads part would be beneficial, and could have avoided the whole scenario if he had any advance notice something wasn't right through his bringing the level of awareness up to yellow in that situation.

Have him stay out of that white zone, epsecially at that time of night. Weapns, OC, whatever do you no good once you have been startled and they are ahead of your OODA [ here probably non-existant ].

Brownie
 
Amen to what sting7777 said. Being aware of what's going on
around you at all times seems to me like the best way to avoid
having bad things happen to you (or to those you are with).

That's kind of why I wonder about the concern about how fast
one can deploy a folder. On the few (fortunately) occasions that
I've sensed that I was about to be in a potentially bad situation,
I already have my hand on my Spydie, in my pocket, and sometimes,
already have it have it partially unlocked (or, fully deployed behind
my back). In other words, I don't care how many seconds it takes
to unlock and deploy the folder -- it should already have happened...
 
GarageBoy,

No disrespect whatsoever to your father, but he didn't have a lack of weapon problem, he had a lack of awareness problem. He was in Condition White.

The pack that attacked him had their act together. His arms were pinned: Even if he'd had a Glock 21 with 15 rounds of Hydrashok in the mag, he was defenceless.

As to martial arts, I'm very cynical. Perhaps - if he'd trained 2 hours per day since puberty - he'd manage to dissuade 1 or 2 offenders. Five? Once their attack drill had commenced? No chance.

It was an ugly incident, but he should regard it as a cheap lesson in self-defence.

May he recover quickly and completely, and may the offenders suffer.

maximus otter
 
Four guys from a rival fraternity were circled around this poor kid on the quad one night. Me and a buddy were walking home from a bar when we heard them yelling. We started jogging to see if we could help the poor guy, but before we got close he did a pretty remarkable thing. As the first guy came in to take a swing at him, he screamed like a freakin' banshee and flew into the smallest of his attackers and wrestled him into a rear naked choke hold. The whole time he was screaming "i'm gonna kill him, I'm gonna break his neck!" He took a few blows to the back of his head but after about five seconds, you could hear the guy being choked out frantically telling his buddies to back off. THe other three bailed when they saw their friend trying to tap out( and by that time we were on scene) Still the guy would not release the chokehold. It took me and my buddy to pry the guy off, and the attacker was unconscious. We held both of them their until campus security arrived.

That is the only time I have ever seen an individual come out on top after being jumped. It was pretty wild.
 
What ever you do, do not arm your father. With five to one odds there isn't any good outcome generally. If you were to arm him do as the other people in this forum have advised and arm him with increased awareness. Given the fact that he has just been jumped, at or really near to his home, your father is probably feeling a great mix of emotions right now from being very pissed to being very scared. People do not believe that there home is ever a location for anything dangerous to happen(something akin to "oh that could never happen to me" syndrome). I felt the same way until my Mothers house was robbed last year. Now there isn't a corner of her house that doesn't have lights on it and there is never a door unlocked. My house is the same way. Call me crazy, but I have thought out every reaction I might have to someone breaking into my house and have put a lot of thought on how I can stay safe (read alive) in just such a situation. Locked doors and very well lighted areas are thing that criminals try to avoid. If you are convinced that you need to arm your father, keep away from knives until he has learned how to use them if he doesn't already know. I would go with a shotgun. A pump action 12ga. loaded with at least six rounds of either 00 buck or slugs. The last sound an attacker wants to hear is the sound of his prey racking around of 00 buck into the chaimber and the size of that hole at the end of the barrel can be pretty scary too.
 
I guarantee you, if his dad goes around with a shotgun on a NYC street, he won't have to worry about being mugged at home. He will have to worry about being mugged in prison, though. Please match the advice to the environment. This is not a viable option in Brooklyn!

Remember September 11, 2001. Why were four planeloads of people so easily hijacked? Because befroe 9/11, we were told to cooperate with hijackers, who only wanted publicity, and would release everyone unharmed after the media circus was over.

Surprise!

Your dad got legitimately caught up in the same kind of mistake -- an almost unavoidable mistake. In the City, people hang out. The same people, the same locations. As we say, ya don't sh!t where you eat. So none of these guys would ever make trouble like that.

Except these guys did. But what they got should be the end of it. Now any time your father sees people hanging out, he should call the police, you should call the police, the neighbors should call the police, until the police get the idea across to the locals hanging out there that the party is over, and whoever mugged the man did them all a disservice.

Now no one can be trusted.
 
it's my personal belief, that the only way to deal with ppl who can make sense of ganging up on an older man to rob him, is a certain ability to reason, a certain flare and knack for leaving an impression on someone, and connections...

i hate to say it, but you truly have to teach him to be more aware of his surroundings and tell him to avoid those late-night situations...
 
What I would suggest arming your father with is a cell phone.

If he's coming home after dark, telephone when he's a couple of minutes away. Have someone turn the outside lights on and meet him at the door. Create some light, make some noise, a bit of activity, the idea that there will be two or more people involved, etc.
 
Uh, my dad got robbed of his cell phone? THe next door neighbor is a store who's open 24/7. They supply these kids with snacks late at night
 
Awareness ,as has been stated is what is necessary in life for survival.
Also, just do not look or act like a victum.Predators can smell this and will react accordingly.Stuff happens and pop is OK so just go on living.All you can do is be Aware.......Doug...........
 
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