Dad got robbed, should I arm him?

I guess this must be a big city issue? In our rural community (<15,000 people) anyone assulting an old man would be chased down and held with great force by onlookers untill the cops arrived 10 to 30 minutes later. At about a 70% armed houshold rate, assulting someone on their own property at night is almost suicidal here. :eek:
 
I guarantee you, if his dad goes around with a shotgun on a NYC street, he won't have to worry about being mugged at home. He will have to worry about being mugged in prison, though. Please match the advice to the environment. This is not a viable option in Brooklyn!
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Sorry, I forgot there are parts of this country where you're not garunteed all of your constitutional rights. Look, if what esav says is true, then I wouldn't arm him with anything at all (Weapon Wise). If guns are illegal to have on you in your part of the world then it doesn't matter if you have a bazooka or a compact pistol. If it comes to the point that you would have to use it, then the cop is still going to ask why you had it on you in the first place, regardless of the fact that you were justified in using it.


Man, I am glad it only takes $44, some fingerprints and a few signatures in this great state to carry a concealed weapon.

I live in the same kind of place as Allen242. Most of the time when there is a home invasion where the ocupants are at home, some one is killed. Typically its the guy(s) that tried to break in. A guy who used to be in my fraternity had four guys break into his parents house when he, his brother and both of his parents were asleep. The family survived the night just fine except for a ringing in their ears. Only two of the attackers made it out of the house with a pulse, one of them died later in the hospital.
 
"Every man has good ideas, but Chuck Gollnick's are the best."
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Yeah, like my stainless-steel blimp idea.

That one never quite got off the ground.
:D


Or my spun-sugar row boat?

That one went down.


I'm the guy that invented power windows for jumbo jets. I thought the breeze would be nice. How was I supposed to know about that cabin depressurization issue?


Anyway, thanks for the nice compliments.
 
A SureFire is a very good recommendation. A temporarily blinded attacker can't do much unless they get their hands on you or are just lucky. I lived in Midtown in the late nineties and would often go for late walks. It wasn't as dangerous as Brooklyn, but I was always very aware of my surroundings, avenues of escape, concealed areas where someone could be hiding, etc.

Without good awareness, no tools will be of much use.
 
as a LEO, i have some usefull advice, buy your dad a good can of O.C. for carrying in his pocket . Buy the largest one he can carry discreet. Second Buy your dad a large can of O.C. for in the house use, like the small fire extinguisher types. Give him a Sure Fire 6P or similar high power flashlight. Buy him a last ditch knife he can use to slash his way out of a life and death situation (SPOT, civilian, etc), get him a sturdy cane from cold steel with a steel handle. But foremost learn him to walk around in condition Yellow or Orange at night. Don't let the guys tell u that O.C. doesn't work , it does in 90 % of the cases. Criminals who stalk on older people are cowards. They will probably flee when met with resistance. I have have been hit with O.C about 10 times in my carreer during fights, it HURTS like hell !! I have sprayed a lot of people with it. If u have never been hit with a good squirt of O.C. u will **** yours pants , unless u are so stoned or crazy that even shooting won't stop u. The muggers are there for easy prey, they don't wan't to get hurt, they stalk, as al predators, the weakest or oldest of the herd. Make your dad look like a formidable adversary and they will seek another victim. Learn him to fight back with everything he has, he should never stop untill they are down and harmless or they flee the scene. Don't stop after a light squirt of O.C. and see if it has effect, spray him till he screams and his face is soaked with the spray. If he pulls a knife he will have to use it, NEVER display a weapon without the intent too use it. Good luck and send your regards too your dad.
 
jokrswylde said:
Four guys from a rival fraternity were circled around this poor kid on the quad one night. Me and a buddy were walking home from a bar when we heard them yelling. We started jogging to see if we could help the poor guy, but before we got close he did a pretty remarkable thing. As the first guy came in to take a swing at him, he screamed like a freakin' banshee and flew into the smallest of his attackers and wrestled him into a rear naked choke hold. The whole time he was screaming "i'm gonna kill him, I'm gonna break his neck!" He took a few blows to the back of his head but after about five seconds, you could hear the guy being choked out frantically telling his buddies to back off. THe other three bailed when they saw their friend trying to tap out( and by that time we were on scene) Still the guy would not release the chokehold. It took me and my buddy to pry the guy off, and the attacker was unconscious. We held both of them their until campus security arrived.

That is the only time I have ever seen an individual come out on top after being jumped. It was pretty wild.
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That's a good story!
I wouldn't forget it either. :D
 
A premises permit for a pistol in the Peoples Republic of New York City costs around $360. This only allows the permit holder to purchase ammunition for the weapons listed on his permit (a gun dealer will NOT be allowed to sell you .45ACP if you only own a 9mm, for example, and you need to present your permit to buy parts and to have repairs performed :( ) and to carry this weapon unloaded to the range and back. Note: This permit takes anywhere from six months to a year for approval or disapproval. This is NOT a shall-be-issued permit. These fees are non-refundable. If your father would feel comfortable being armed, he should take an NRA pistol course and shop around for a reasonably priced, reliable weapon, and perhaps a backup too.

A long gun (rifle, shotgun) permit costs almost $200, if I recall correctly, and you can expect the same sort of anal probe required of pistol permit applicants.

Edited: Pepper spray and the other non-lethal product known as "Mace" are illegal in the Peoples' Republic of New York City. Note: "Mace" is OC combined with a low strength riot control agent, and an ultraviolet dye which can be detected by law enforcement.
 
i would reccomend someting that has around 400 rounds per minute, hollow point bullets and an extended clip, but that is just me. A balisong quickily flipped out might have deturred them.
 
Your Dad should become best friends with Bernie Goetz and if anyone messes with him he should just point at Bernie and say "He's got $5!" and let Bernie take it from there. :)
 
Is CCW an option in NYC, pratically every thug there prob carries anyway. A S&W Centennial Airweight SC in .357 mag is just what he needs, can be fired from inside a pocket, no snag and with 125-gr federal hollowpoints prodives serious stopping power. If that's not an option get a Camillus Cuda Maxx or a Spyderco Civilian, or if it's legal (in case he cares) a Boker Applegate-Fairbain would be the bomb :D . OC can work or it can be useless, I know some LEOs that have maced perps and it worked so well they'd be dead if they didn't have a pistol. OC is no match for a good .357 or a sharp knife. Not trying to turn this into a gun forum but the case u described is a situation where a snub-nose revolver would be better than a M1991 (what any reasonable person would prefer to use in such a situation if an M1 or AR-15 is not readily available) because of the close quarters a larger handgun or a pistol would be larger more likely to snag or jam than a snub revolver. Also, just a question, does NYC violate your CONSTITUTIONAL rights by not allowing CCW, if it does I'd recommend moving to the south were lethal self defense and CCW is not only legal its almost encouraged........lol :D
 
Man if what cpio says is correct I'll never venture up nawth :D That's just blatent violation of the 2nd Amendmant which states. What are the knife laws up there, nothing over 1inch that locks?
 
Man if what cpio says is correct I'll never venture up nawth :D That's just blatent violation of the 2nd Amendmant which guarantees the right to bear arms. What are the knife laws up there, nothing over 1inch that locks? And no I'm not a Yankee basher I'm friends with many of them, just think some of the cities up there have atrocious anti-knife, anti-gun, anti-God, anti-Constitution, anti-American laws and ideas, glad I'm from down here.

JOKE: Know how you can tell a Northern Fairy Tale from a Southern one????

A: A Northern one begins with "Once upon a time."

A Southern one begins with "Ya'll ain't gonna believe this crap" :D
 
Spydiefan04, free advice always sounds better coming from someone who knows what he's talking about. And it's still worth the price.

No, NYC and many other densely populated urban environments are not espcially gun-friendly. This is not right, but it is part of the history. Mocking the people who deal with this is inappropriate. There are a few other factors besides gun ownership to recommend living in one part of the country rather than another.

New York City restricts knife carry to blades under 4".
 
UNDER 4", making many nice 4" knives outta the question. Unclear on fixed blades There is this place called self defenses by Studio 54. They sell LOTS of OC stuff.
 
Larry S: Great quote.


jokrswylde: Great story, but your a prick. You detained a guy for defending himself? For shame, hopefully I misunderstood you.


GarageBoy: Sorry about your dad, thats really sucks. Your dad shouldn't feel bad. Sure, he 'should' have been more aware, but we're all guilty of the occasional zone-out.

I recommend against any sort of mace, etc. It works against most people, but it doesn't work 100% of the time. If the guys are coked up on something who knows if it will stop them. It could just make them mad. I'm going to stand on my own here and say I think self defense is the way to go. Until he has years and *years* of training, he is not going to have the ability to drop 5 opponents. BUT, he may be able to drop the guy immediatly holding him, and bolt. Being able to fight your way out of a group and run is probably good enough. Look for something that emphasizes real world self defense.

5 on 1 is very possible to the trained martial artists. I know many more well versed martial artists then myself, and the one time my friend and I were jumped by 5 guys ended with 2 of them on the ground, and me having a fat lip. The problem with multiple opponents is who knows what people are packing. Luckily nothing was pulled, but if one of those guys had a knife, I would be dead for sure. Even with the ability to "fight" 5 people off, its never a good idea. There are always risks. Be safe.
 
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