Dad got robbed, should I arm him?

runT1ME said:
jokrswylde: Great story, but your a prick. You detained a guy for defending himself? For shame, hopefully I misunderstood you.
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WHAT?! do you know the circumstances behind the attempted assault? oh, you don't? well then, maybe you can assume neither did jokrswylde. that being the case, i'd do the same thing. who knows? maybe the guy defending himself just got done raping some girl or stabbing someone of the rival frat. these two did the right thing in detaining anyone they could until the authorities could get everyone's story and sort things out proper.

even if the guy was innocent, if he fled and neglected to offer "his side" of the story to the authorities/security, he may be painted in a bad light as the aggressor, and possibly faced undue punishment.

try and use your brain, and be a bit more respectful of your fellow forumites. someone might even appreciate your opinion then.

abe m.
 
Hey Esav, I wasn't trying to restart the Civil War or anything. And I apologize if I can across as anti-yankee. I realize that there are good people everywhere and there's nothing wrong with NY in general. I'm just saying that the bigger cities are where the anti-Constitutional and frivilous lawsuits, like the ones that almost buried Colt and gave S & W a lot of trouble (NY, Chicago, SF,LA) usually starts and it then trickles down to other regions. It is a sad state of events when a person is robbed and beaten, esp in front of their front door in this nation, esp when the right to bear arms is guaranteed in the very document that was used to found this country. I've seen people literally walk up and down the street around here with a 7in Ka-bar in plain view and also a derringer or to in being carried not too well concealed by folks that don't have a permit :D . However if you're ok with local LEOs they're more likely to say nice knife or cool gun than lock you up :) I'd like to see anybody not named Corleone try to get away with that in NYC or Chicago :( . This may have something to do with our low crime rate, if nearly everyones packing you have to be nice, which may be the underlying reason for "southern hospilatity". :D Seriously though if I lived up there I'd get me an Remington 870 for the house, and carry mace and an AFCK (I think you said a 4in was legal) or a Delica (under 3in). I'd never try to carry a gun in any major US City, unfortunately that is only legal for cops and crooks, btw some Southern big cities have some dopey gun laws too :(
 
Last time i was robbed , i use my surefire c2 to blind him and while he was dazed , i slammed him on the using an aikido move. He is hurtz quite badly .

hope this help

Andrew
 
Another question was that stuff about needing a permit just to buy ammo in NYC accurate?? I just couldn't image that. Is it any harder to purchase or carry a knife in NYC than most places?? I figured they were tighter but not as tight as it seems. I'm used to getting practice rounds for whatever I want at Wal-mart. Also if you're not a felon it's only 5 bucks for a handgun permit and a 7 day wait period, no limit on how many permits you can get at one time/guns you can buy at one time, and those permits are good for 2 years after purchase, no training required unless you want a CCW permit (not sure the cost for those and have to be renewed every 5 yrs), and the problem with those is that it's illegal to carry in a gov't building (of course) or anywhere that has a sign up stating "no concealed weapons/handguns (since the CCW law passed these signs are EVERYWHERE)," which pretty much makes the CCW a useless waste of time and money unless someone totally disregards the laws and carries every where anyway (NOT recommended). I'm glad I live in a state with CCW but like I just said it isn't really worthwhile unless you really feel you need a gun for your own safety where you roam (i.e. a dangerous neighborhood). OK I promise to shut up about the 2nd amendment, CCW, and handguns in general :) .
 
Here in NYC, the best you can hope for is some pepper spray (which state law requires to be some impotent stuff). Use that and you'll still run the risk of being sued by your assailant. You stick someone even in self defense and you're looking at jail time.

In the news today, robbers shot and killed this absolutely gorgeous blonde girl... an actress according to the reporter, for putting up a fuss about being robbed. Here, you'll find the best of the best, along with the worst of the worst.
 
Here if you kill someone in SD all you have to do is PROVE (which can be the hard part, you can't just go around shooting people) that you had legitimate fear of being killed yourself and then lethal SD is legal, oh and you better have a CCW if you use a handgun outside of your residence btw. It's also legal to shoot and kill anyone that is breaking into your house while your home. Came close to needing that ONCE. I live in rural area police response is usually over 30 minutes, so if you can't take care of yourself you will be dead before they get to you.

Shame about that girl, that sorta thing unfortunately is becoming more common everywhere now :( The sad thing is those that did it will prob either never be caught or if they are will get a reduced sentence on some stupid technicality. I saw this show on A&E the other day in which the dang Nightstalker killer has appealed his death sentence due to incompetent representation, and he was represented by attorneys of his choosing. People like that shouldn't even be allowed to live, I think he murdered like 13 people, not counting rapes, some were even of elderly women.
 
Crime, self defense, and punishment are complex, interrelated issues. Washington DC and NYC are often pointed out as cities that effectively bar citizen carry of handguns, but NYC crime rates have been dropping steadily for some years now. DC still has a bad reputation. Does anyone know if it's still deserved? Oh, right ... it's still legally run by Congress.

Of course, demographics enter into the mix, with the percentage of jobless young men being volatile, and rising economic standards being a stabilizing influence. New York also has a police force the size of some nations' armies :)
 
Angel86 said:
Last time i was robbed , i use my surefire c2 to blind him and while he was dazed , i slammed him on the using an aikido move. He is hurtz quite badly .

hope this help

Andrew
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hmmm....when did this happen Andrew? in Singapore? where? did you make a police report? were you hurt?
 
not hurt , in singapore near my place, not hurt but i can't sae the same for the would be robber
 
I don't think it is up to someone to arm someone else. They have to decide that for themselves and take the proper training necessary to make sure they are comfortable with the defensive skills, weapons, or other things learned or carried with them.

My sister in law was mugged twice in Memphis TN some years back. After the second time my wife and I bought her a stun gun for self defense. She was all thankful and put it in her purse and said she felt so much safer. Nice feeling. Feeling all good inside is nice but it was a false sense of security because sure as the sun rises and sets she was mugged again and when she tried to get the stun gun out of her purse to use it on the guy she ended up stunning herself. In the process she lost her purse, the stun gun and her watch.

Let him decide for himself. Trust me.
 
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And send to him to a class on how to use it properly.
 
Nice, Novak sights, don't recognize the brand believe that's a Commander size, Officers might be easier to carry but would be harder to handle recoil. Still, best bet is prob a Delica, its technically not a weapon, doesn't raise eyebrows like the bigger stuff, but if you've taken the self defense classes for it or are good with a knife in general, it can get you through a tough spot if you're up close. And it won't run out like mace or have batteries that run down like a stungun. I live in a shall issue state but don't fool with CCW bc of all the before-mentioned complications. Like one guy said though if he doesn't make the decision himself hes not likely to carry anything.
 
Spydiefan04 said:
Man if what cpio says is correct I'll never venture up nawth :D
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It's true. In New York State (not just NYC) you can't legally possess a pistol in your *own home* on your *own property* without a permit. In NYC, you do need a permit just to buy ammunition. I also believe that NYC limits rifle magazines to five rounds, and pistol magazines to ten. Also, the NYC "assault weapon" ban is a mirror image of California's, so many post-1994 firearms are covered too.

Read this: http://www.packing.org/state/index.jsp/new+york+city
 
Spydiefan04 said:
Another question was that stuff about needing a permit just to buy ammo in NYC accurate?? I just couldn't image that. Is it any harder to purchase or carry a knife in NYC than most places?? .
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I didn't see this last post, but I'll reply to it now. In NYC, any folding knife with a locking mechanism is limited to a blade length of less than 4". Automatics, balisongs et al are illegal outright. Fixed blades? No idea, but I wouldn't want to find out :)
 
Well, he's carrying a SCREWDRIVER, since he's like I can get away with it since I'm a craftsman. He ended up just calling me in advance to open the doors.
 
A small snubnosed revolver or a small automatic. With a permit, natch ;) If they're not hopped up for some drug money, they'll leave him alone once they see that. I don't think a knife would be the best way to go, a cane could be taken away and used against him, thinking about it, the same could be said for a pistol. I agree with the poster who mentioned the dog, maybe some pepper spray, but defending yourself against five guys is pretty hard, unless you're some Jackie Chan wannabe.
 
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