dan prentice

[JD Mandrell]

Using GB&U to mark someone as a fraud is a serious step to take. A problem that was between 2 people then becomes the problem of 1 against the world of onlookers.

I don't recall rosconey2 actually calling him a "fraud", in fact he did not, but keep in mind, that the customer in this case was without money, knife, or communication from the seller, until he started this thread.

That's exactly what BG&U is for and in this case it worked perfectly.

The question should not be that he started this thread, but why he needed to.

 

[KnifeHead]

I don't recall rosconey2 actually calling him a "fraud", in fact he did not, but keep in mind, that the customer in this case was without money, knife, or communication from the seller, until he started this thread..

I can see where the negative motivation of the "insinuation of fraud" can be a powerful motivator. It appears that the point I made about this not being the best way to solve issues might have been lost.

That's exactly what BG&U is for and in this case it worked perfectly.

I don't think it worked perfectly. We can agree to disagree.

 

[JD Mandrell]

"insinuation of fraud"

Can you point to that?

I don't think he ever claimed this was fraud, meaning to imply he took money without ever intending to send the knife, the concern was only that it was not being shipped when it was said it had.

I doubt anyone here would accuse Dan of fraud.

Let's not throw loaded words into inflame things.

 

[JCaswell]

I don't know, I can't stand having unfinished business of any kind hanging over my head, so I've never taken orders. Requests yes, orders no.

 

[rosconey2]

i still dont understand how some people can blame me or diamdave -

yes we bolth understand he is in the armed forces-and have been patient about finish dates

the problem was he said he shipped when he didnt and avoided calls-he was online after he told me my knife shipped yet couldnt take 30 secs and send me a pm-

and he TOOK MONEY from diamdave and said it shipped when it didnt-

and i never called him a fraud-i said he didnt ship when he said he did-


and gbu does work-he did nothing till i posted here-and still hasnt taken the time to tell diamdave wtf is going on after he took his money on a completed knife-

if this makes me or diamdave a asshole in your opinion-your opinion doesnt mean shit-plain and simple

 

[Keith Montgomery]

If a maker can't get a knife out when he says he will, he shouldn't ask for payment, and he shouldn't say the knife has been shipped when it hasn't. being in the Army, being sick and putting active military people at the head of the line has absolutely nothing to do with it. Those are only reasons for a knife to be delayed, and even then the maker owes his customers the courtesy of an email to explain things. If there are makers that don't believe this to be true, I would sure like to know who they are.

 

[diamdave]

UPDATE:

Dan called me today, said knife went out and I should get it shortly. Sounds good to me.

This thread drifted a bit. Devil Man made good points, I think this post could've been prevented by better communication.

I once waited over a year and half for an Alan Blade Ranger Light. I noticed one day he was being previewed by Fighting Knives magazine, I called the editor, and told him my story, I got the knife in about a week or so.

That's the kind of thing that scares a consumer, and good communication can allay those fears.

 

[KnifeHead]

If a maker can't get a knife out when he says he will, he shouldn't ask for payment, and he shouldn't say the knife has been shipped when it hasn't. being in the Army, being sick and putting active military people at the head of the line has absolutely nothing to do with it. Those are only reasons for a knife to be delayed, and even then the maker owes his customers the courtesy of an email to explain things. If there are makers that don't believe this to be true, I would sure like to know who they are.

I agree with all points. Is it possible that some customers jump the gun and cry foul publicly way too soon? I think so, nuff said.

 

[Keith Montgomery]

Is it possible that some customers jump the gun and cry foul publicly way too soon? I think so, nuff said.

I think that some do, but I don't think that happened here. Rosconey2 waited three weeks after he was told the knife shipped. He also tried to contact Dan with no luck, even though Dan was on this forum fairly regularly during that three weeks. It looks to me that this thread was an attempt to get a response, and it appears to have worked.

 

[DevilMan]

I didn't post this here to start a war or to say who was right or wrong or to cast stones at anyone who thought Daniel had done them wrong.

I posted here because I had contact with him, and knew that he was in a bit of bind with numerous things going on in his life.

I can't and won't make apologies FOR him, I just wanted to let the guys here know that his intent was good.

I will apologize for coming across a bit callous and hmmmmm maybe a bit more angry than what it should have been. I simply was trying to bring it all to light.

That's all I have... I'm all outta pennies on this end..... May you all have a great week!!!

DM

 

[Keith Montgomery]

By the way, please don't get the impression that I think Dan is a bad person, or dishonest. I just think he needs to tighten up in the customer relations area.

 

[JD Mandrell]

Well said Keith, one thing that everybody can learn from this thread, is that GB&U works, it's sad when it needs to be brought here, but good that it facilitates getting things worked out.

 

[rosconey2]

now hes posting crap about doing more than i paid for and trying to make me look like the asshole instead of himself-

i paid 400$ for a damascus fighter with 2 mosaic pins and thats what i got-no more no less

now i think he is a dirtbag-before just a liar

 

[diamdave]

Got mine today. It is very grippy, but a bit shorter than I had asked. He is following up to see what he can do to make me happy.

Following...

 

[STEVENKIM]

I'll back Dan Prentice any day. I have bought a blade off him with no problems.


"You call, we fall!"


I still happy to be mech!

 

[diamdave]

Dan Prentice has contacted me and offered to graciously make me a new knife besides the one I purchased. All at no charge. I think that is honorable and makes me a much happier consumer than I was one hour ago. His quick response and efforts to right an error are all good signs. I'm looking forward to his new knife.

 

[rifon2]

Dan Prentice has contacted me and offered to graciously make me a new knife besides the one I purchased. All at no charge. I think that is honorable and makes me a much happier consumer than I was one hour ago. His quick response and efforts to right an error are all good signs. I'm looking forward to his new knife.

Impressive!

& great to hear.

 

[Kohai999]

1. Delays happen. This is just fine, and part of life UNTIL the check is in the mail. In my case, touched on a page or two ago, we are talking about a $700.00 USPS money order, and no comms whatsoever from the maker in 3 weeks. Not the center of the maker's world, understood. Family, health and other things take precedence, but when a knife is finished, and the maker says "pay me", I pay, understanding that they are out time and expenses until I cough up the lettuce. It is a two-way street.

2. If a maker does not have the decency or creativity to figure out a way to get word to me that there are unforeseen delays, I will not do business with them. There are many, many makers of knives. I will take a knife that has less "pizzaz" or "name" if the maker has done me right from word "go", than someone who is treating me, the "customer" like an unfortunate byprocess of making knives for a living.

That said, Dan Prentice, I wish you the best in all your future endeavors, be they knifemaking or not.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson

 

[KnifeHead]

I believe it is important to note that it is easy to post comments, be it negative or positive, about a person when the poster is hiding behind an anonymous profile. I don't take them serious or make decisions based their posts. I believe that it is common courtesy(if not common sense) that if you want your comments to be taken seriously anywhere, you should let people know who you are.

The knife maker in question, and most knife makers on this forum, have identity disclosure. They do this, at the risk of being taken advantage of by scammers, so they can do business here.

The people that depend on name calling or shouting(glad we can't hear them) to get their point across don't deserve our attention. People that participate in that level of "communication" and complain about BAD communication(AND do that anonymously) should be ignored, if not dealt with by moderators.

I value the opinions of real people like Keith Montgomery and Jim Wharton because they are courteous enough to stand by their name.

 

[DaveH]

if someone doesn't use their full name, it doesn't then mean they're wrong or should be ignored.

You can choose to ignore them if you like, but I would counter that I'll ignore people who demand full names, as they're missing the forest for the trees.