DANTHEMAN123 Ripping off Neil at TNK

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You clearly misunderstand the amount of skill, experience, and equipment needed to create a quality web image. To dismiss using Neil's images alone as "Everyone else does it!" is simply disrespectful and ignorant. It is thievery.

Cougar nailed it. This is just one of a long list of selling atrocities you are guilty of.

The photo issue grates me particularly. Glad Neil was savvy enough to carry a watermark. That's why you were nailed and that's why it is done.

Coop
 
Cougar Allen said:
Selling knives you don't have is not very cool either. After you sell them you could find you are not able to get them in a reasonable time. When you buy a knife when do you expect to get it?
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With all due respect, Mr. Cougar, selling an item not in stock is a very common occurance in the retail world. Granted, most retailers will tell you in advance that the item is not in stock, and many will not charge you until the item is shipped. In today's business climate where many shipments are measured in hours or days instead of weeks, it allows a seller to be profitable without having merchandise sitting on a shelf.
If it happens that the seller were not able to obtain the item in a reasonable amount of time, a message to the purchaser with an estimated arrival time, and possibly an offer to cancel the order (and get a refund, if payment had been made), would probably suffice.
Again, this info is presented with the utmost respect to all involved, and is not meant to be inflammatory in any way.:)
 
SharpByCoop said:
You clearly misunderstand the amount of skill, experience, and equipment needed to create a quality web image. To dismiss using Neil's images alone as "Everyone else does it!" is simply disrespectful and ignorant. It is thievery.

Cougar nailed it. This is just one of a long list of selling atrocities you are guilty of.

The photo issue grates me particularly. Glad Neil was savvy enough to carry a watermark. That's why you were nailed and that's why it is done.

Coop
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Salute Coop! Well said and on the mark. It takes Neil much time and effort to make a good photo.
Neil and others in the biz do this to show the real look of the product with experence as a photographer.
Detialed pictures sell knives.
So get your own camera! Or pay Neil for his photos. Quality photos from a pro like Coop are $100.00 each.
Get the drift?
 
You might notice a difference between "that is stealing" and "that is not very cool either."

To see why it's not very cool, do a little reading in this forum. There have been numerous posts on the subject over the years....

In this case, the seller did not bother to find out whether he would be able to obtain the knives he was selling until after posting the ads. He did not inform prospective customers that he didn't have the knives he was selling. What would he have done next, if this thread hadn't been started? We can only speculate about that.
 
Cougar Allen said:
You might notice a difference between "that is stealing" and "that is not very cool either."

To see why it's not very cool, do a little reading in this forum. There have been numerous posts on the subject over the years....

In this case, the seller did not bother to find out whether he would be able to obtain the knives he was selling until after posting the ads. He did not inform prospective customers that he didn't have the knives he was selling. What would he have done next, if this thread hadn't been started? We can only speculate about that.
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I didn't say what HE was doing was cool. It is in fact very uncool to offer an item for sale if obtainability is in question. Reread my post,I made no reference to dantheman123. I was merely responding to your statement about selling items not in stock.
So there.;)

As for the pics, yeah, cold busted there. He should have sought permission to reproduce (the pics, that is).
 
DANTHEMAN123 said:
on th esubect of that ??welshman?? thegeneral

i set up an account on british blades

i asked for help with my hatamoto but called the thread *******hatamoto
as i being new to the knife world must have subconciously assumed that as i was a knife forum that swearing was ok maybe.although i probably just didnt realise.(plus most forums which dont like swearing automatically block it)

i recieved an email asking me not to swear from the general.he also offerd his sharpening service for a fee.(which i didnt end up using, i used my lansky, this may have made him sour to start)

we were thn disscussing cold steel. i mentioned push blades, general asked me not to do so, so i said in my next post something like "ok no more talk of push blades, i heard those knives( i meant cs knives in the video (as that was the thread subect-th cs video) only cut because of the force applied not how sharp or stong they are"

this was taken as me carrying on talking about push blades ie knive which use force no sharpnesss- i meant all cs knives-not push blades

i was banned for a week.

strike 3- someone was selling a heavily used(year old para military for 2/3 the price new (not the point .) biut i had seen other disscusing prices openly, so i said that i would give him half and that i thought that the asking price was steep.
i was then informed on the rules via a link by another member so i edited my post but was too late and was banned for life.

i tried emailing the general but got no reply, so i pm'd him with these same sentiments and maybe some *shouting*. i set up another couple of accounts there since and was immediately banned sraight away .
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Funny thing is I did not pull him up for swearig IIRC or give him his first or second warning. That was someone else!:confused:

I offered to sharpen the knife he had, which if you read his sale post "THIS KNIFE HAS BEEN OPENED AND USED FOR SOME LIGHT CUTTING IE PAPER, CARDBOARD. THERE IS NO CHIPPING ON THE BLADE WHATSOEVER LIKE YOUD GET FROM CUTTING WOOD,WIRE ETC."

LOL here is the best bit, he admits he had need of sharpening help as he had damaged the blade cutting testing when he hit a vice and chipped the edge. OWNED!!!!!!!!:jerkit:

Who ever bought that knife got stone cold lied to... look up the thread on BB if you want and read his advert... blumin fibber!:D

As to me being bothered about not sharpening his knife... ha, whatever... I charge a fair price for an expert re-profile with non power tools. I don't force anyone to send me a knife. Its no real loss to me.

Anyway I won't discuss reasons or decisions made by the moderator staff at BB, other than to say he was a repeated rule breaker and self admittedly set up multiple accounts (a clear banning offense on BB) his emails were vulgar, ill thought out and downright rude. Hell, it would not be so bad if he used some form of spell checker!:rolleyes:

Nuff said, he's been OWNED and OWNED good and proper!:thumbup:
 
DANTHEMAN123's eBay/CRK selling thingy was a complete scam. . . . .and he knows it.

Let's be real. . . . . .one would have to be BLIND not to see Neil's watermark on the pics ! Dayum, even Ray Charles would have seen the watermark ! :D And that's just one. . . . .of many. . . . . .well. . . . . .errors.

Thinking that it was OK or attempting to backpedal out of the lies. . . . .only shows what a POS DANTHEMAN123 is !
 
Ommitting to fully disclose the information involving the sale of items is the same as misrepresenting a sale item. While it may not be illegal, it's still wrong. Buyers should be given the opportunity to buy with confidence based on as much information as a seller can give them. I've only made two sales on Ebay and my biggest fear was that the buyers would think I was less than honest. It smells to me.
As far as ripping off the pics from a reputable dealer, well, that's what it is. "But I didn't know I was hurting anyone...blah...blah...blah".
 
GigOne said:
DANTHEMAN123's eBay/CRK selling thingy was a complete scam. . . . .and he knows it.

Let's be real. . . . . .one would have to be BLIND not to see Neil's watermark on the pics ! Dayum, even Ray Charles would have seen the watermark ! :D And that's just one. . . . .of many. . . . . .well. . . . . .errors.

Thinking that it was OK or attempting to backpedal out of the lies. . . . .only shows what a POS DANTHEMAN123 is !
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Dayum Gig!:thumbup: :D
 
flipe8 said:
Ommitting to fully disclose the information involving the sale of items is the same as misrepresenting a sale item. While it may not be illegal, it's still wrong. Buyers should be given the opportunity to buy with confidence based on as much information as a seller can give them. I've only made two sales on Ebay and my biggest fear was that the buyers would think I was less than honest. It smells to me.
As far as ripping off the pics from a reputable dealer, well, that's what it is. "But I didn't know I was hurting anyone...blah...blah...blah".
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Agreed.:thumbup:
 
Taking orders from someone for an item that you do not have in stock, without telling them that you do not actually have it at the time of sale is fraud, anyway he wants to twist it.
 
this guy really deserves to be banned. He also deserves worse, but is not worth the trouble.:barf:
 
as it happens i did mention in the auctions that i might not have the model in stock. at the time i did have a brand new knife i was going to sell as i had a new small classic leather seb for sale. i was gonna buy a graphic instead.

i stated that if i didnt have it in stock that i woud contact the buyer.

i needed pictures of the knives as i dont have a camera so i goggled sebeza and used what i found to be the best shots.

i did apologise to neil for using the pictures and took them off the auctions even though i was gonna keep the auctions going.

Let's be real. . . . . .one would have to be BLIND not to see Neil's watermark on the pics
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to be 'real' i was setting up 8 auctions. 4 with about 10 pics in each. i wasnt wasting any time looking at the pictures.

and saying i didnt know the availability of the knives is just a guess pal.
neil, for one had all the knives i put up in stock and so did plenty of other
places in the us.

lets get this straight.

i did 2 things- used tnk pictures and(edited)descriptions on my auctions

was seling stuff i didnt have stocked(but told the seller i may not)

for the first, that is far from a 'scam', its just lazy and disrespectful.not theat thats ok or anything. i needed pics so i used the first decent ones i found. i honestly didnt seee the watermark until at least the day later but thinking about it it was longer.rying to say that i was trying to affiliate myself with tnk is just speculation, and that is all it is.

the second, well, there isnt anything wrong with that. people will have to realise that ebay is no longer purely dealing with home sellers. i bought things from ebay people in the US who have thyre own offices just for the ebay selling they do, and thats all they do do.and for the final time,not that i have to answer to you or anyone else.. i did say that i might not have the stuff in stock and that i would message the buyer to tell them.

to the general. the knife had been only used to cut cardboard, soft wood etc and the small knick that was in the blade i had got out using the sharpmaker and lansky.and with which i used to put a better edge on it thatn the one that came on it.

and darrel, fare dues, pictures like that are few and far between. but to be honest i prefer using my own pics over th glossy ones that comapines use cos people can see glossy pictures on google or the company site etc
some peole onyt buy unless you show them pictures of you holding the item. i know youre gonna say- "well, thats it in a nutshell- people dont buy like that cos of people like you" whatever you think, the reason i dont like buying off people without pics is cos you cnat see the condition and cos they might not even be real sellers.

whereas with me there would have definately been knives and my knives would have been brand new.

either way i dont think that glossy iptures help your sale, especially when the pictures have company watermark on them.

but at the end of the day they were his pictures and he has a right not to let or like people using them. but apart rom using neils pictures i aint a thief thanks very much.
 
and yeah, as sarge said, its not illegal or unethical to sell stuff you dont have in stock, especially when you inform the buyers that the fact that the stuff may nit be available for 2-3 day may be the case.

and yes i dint thik about the fact that the owner of the pictures would mind me using the pictures, but yes, intelectual property is intelectual property, end off. i guess i ust didnt tthink abut it. i can see that there is a diference between a companies pictures and a dealers.

saying that, do you think that i could have used pictures taken form the crk site without any abuse?
 
I don't buy any of it. I think Dan and Teresa are probably married con artists if not the same person. Here he goes with tons of excuses in one botched and one legible posts. The mentality behind the writings appears to be damage control. A con won't pull the sale unless he KNOWS it's over.
 
DANTHEMAN123, I find it hard to believe that you didn't notice the True North Knives watermark. It stands out like a sore thumb.

I don't know what CRK thinks of people that purchase their knives at retail and then resell them, but there is certainly no law against it. You should have however found yourself a dealer that you could get a guarantied supply from before you started advertising that you had these knives for sale. Once you did, that is the dealer you should have gotten photos and ad copy from.

The way you went about things was totally wrong , but I have come to the conclusion that you probably did think that what you were doing was okay, and that is very telling. You should have known better.
 
Sarge1400 said:
He should have sought permission to reproduce (the pics, that is).
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I'm glad you made the parenthetical clarification because I'm not sure this dude should ever be given permission to reproduce. :D


Do the words "slime ball" ring a bell?
 
let me see... when anyone whines "it is not illegal or unethical to...{fill in the blank}"..that is a pretty good sign that said activity is certainly unethical, and most probably illegal. I am sure that you think that you were just being a shrewd businessperson you have no moral compass. We have no say about what happens on ebay. I havbe a feeling that your criminal activity here has limited your participation on these forums. We will be well rid of you.
 
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