Dark Ops Bad Rap

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irish1

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I have all 2 dark ops folders and 7 MOD knifes and just bought 2 extrema Ratio.
Why is everyone so down on dark Ops .I think the knifes are very well made and would put them upto any tactical knife out there.Plus the owner is a very nice man and will work with you and has great customer service.I can't wait for the fixed blades.
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1. Their Ridiculous ad campaign and marketing.

2. They are Blatant ripoffs of Extrema Ratio knives.

That about sums it up.
 
I have only have handled them, not really used them. Part of the reason they are criticized is there Over the top marketing. I saw a post on here I will try to find it showing a picture of the lock on the stratofighter I believe and how little of the lock actually stopped the blade on the lockrest, I am sure someone can find that pic. This has actually has been thoroughly discussed before here's the link.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=371195&highlight=Stratofighter

I am not a hater of Dark Ops as I dont have alot of experience with them but some put them on ther list with cold steel as far as ripping off goes.
 
irish1 said:
I can't wait for the fixed blades.
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As in there's still no phyiscal product available or you're just waiting on UPS to come?

I think Rat F has it covered. This should probably be fun though....
 
I personally think their knives are about as butt ugly as any knife I have ever seen. There are far too many knives that have great performance and good looks for me to ever consider owning one from Dark Ops. If on the other hand you like the looks, can get past the pure hype they put into their advertising, and don't mind that they started off by ripping of the design of another company, then get as many of them as you want.
 
Reliable sources have reported that the knives are nice... but they're not worth their price. Most believe that you can get a comparable knife for a lot less money -- albeit without controlled blood splatter -- elsewhere.

The really big problem that the knife community has had with Dark Ops has centered around their outrageous advertizing which is in many places absolutely fiction. The most patently egregious example being their claim that a special coating makes their knives invisible in the infrared spectrum. Overall, their advertizing is downright embarrasing to the knife community and contributes to the public image that all knife collectors are armchair Rambos concerned about controlling blood splatter in covert deanimation operations.

The whole ad campaign makes it utterly impossible for a civilian to carry one of these knives. If you were to -- God forbid -- have to use your knife in a self-defense situation, the prosecutor would have a field day in front of the jury discussing your mindset and motives. "Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, the defendant had told you that he carries a pocket knife for opening boxes and trimming loose threads. He claims that circumstances forced him to employ his knife in self-defense that fateful evening. But the knife the defendant selected to carry with him on the evening that he killed the deceased is not sold for cutting loose threads. No. It is specifically designed to penetrate BODY ARMOR!, it is intended for "deanimation," to KILL! The State contends that when defendant went to the Club Foot that evening, he wasn't worried about hanging threads. He was worried about BLOOD SPLATTER!, specifically, the poor departed's blood..."

It's just the kind of image of a knife owner that we all cringe at and that many of us have invested considerable effort to assuage.

Add to this the blatent and shameless copying of ER's designs, and it's just all to much to bear.

The bottom line is that the knives are well-made, but they're not all they're cracked up to be and you can get many other knives just as well-made for substantially lower prices.

Imagine someone trying to sell you a stock Honda Accord for $50,000. It's a nice car and, by all accounts, well-built. But that's about twice the price it ought to be.
 
Keith Montgomery said:
There are far too many knives that have great performance and good looks for me to ever consider owning one from Dark Ops.
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I can't really see how they could perform well with quater inch thick blade stock on a damned folder. That's absolutely stupid. I'll never understand this type of knife. ER included. Seriously, what the hell would i use a knife like that for? It's too small to effectively chop anything, and it's too thick to cut well. What's the point?
 
Their product descriptions make it very hard not take shots at 'em. But I guess if you don't have anything nice to say.......






....quote the company website. :p

"But should you run out of ammo and need to slash through the mob, these are the tools to use!"

"impervious to everything from aviation fuel to Al Qaeda body fluids" :rolleyes:

edit: I just noticed that they have new "knives" in development. Of course they are going to great lengths to paint knife carriers in a sane, responsible, mature light.
 
I have no arguement against Dark Ops, however, their knives are a bit to extreme for me with all the blood grooves and such. Besides the cactus is my prefered weapon of death.

Only thing I want from Dark Ops is their Hell fire flashlight so I can mount it on my AR-15, well its my dad's but he never uses it anymore. :)
 
LMAO! What we have here is more proof they couldn't design a turd.
The designs they came up with themselves are just plain awful!
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Based on the proven design of the StratoFighter folding combat knives, the Stratofighter-AUTO offers a slide-button, single handed deployment for Military, Law Enforcement and EMS professionals. Built to the ruggedness of the Award Winning StratoFighters, the slick, out-the-front design, commonly referred to "Stiletto" in Soprano's parley features a double edge design with the Dark Ops proprietary 70/47 opposing grind bevels. The deep hollow grind of the main slashing edge offers razor-like sharpness. The 47 degree skip-serrated top edge is great for ropes, parachute cords and hard use utility work. A broadened penetrator tip keeps sufficient metal mass at the front of the blade for great tip strength and long field utility. Slide button in and out deployment! Quartz impregnated grip inserts on all user contact surfaces. Deep finger grooves enhance ergonomics and fit the hand in either left or right hand deployment. CTV2 Steel and treated with a Titanium Carbonitride coating. Milled Aluminum scales with military-hard-coat anodizing in Stealth Grey-Black. Durable and reversible pocket clip, glass breaker in hilt for EMS rescue ops.
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Don't let the space age curves fool you, this is one of the most ergonomically form fitting "blades of last resort" you will ever handle. Usable in the smallest and largest hands, and possibly the only neck knife in the world deployable in the reverse grip. Used properly it can generate the last earthly sensation a terrorist feels on a quick trip to the hereafter. A PanicPortTM through-hole in the tail of the integrated tang allows positive sheath removal even with 85% of the knife concealed in the ankle and forearm modes. A deep index finger notch provides secure grip and astonishing leverage, and multiple deep finger grooves allow for the secure positioning of the middle, ring and pinky fingers. The Knife is skeletonized for weight reduction, but has small enough cutouts to not trap fingers under duress. The Through-hole in the handle allows for a positive finger through control for secure grip when hands are cold and prevents the knife from being taken away in defensive moves. Built of Dark Ops legendary CTV2 Steel, but with a fractionally higher stainless content and treated with a Titanium Carbonitride coating, the knife is impervious to body sweat and humidity associated with on-the-body concealed knives. A DEEP! hollow grind yields a razor cutting edge. A broader flat grind with serrations on the top edge is used for heavy duty occupational cutting work. Heavy grip notching covers the entire contact circumference for added grip tenacity. All user contact surfaces are polished smoothed and heavily beveled to prevent snags in deployment. Lethal, concealable. May be illegal in certain jurisdictions. Intended for Military & Law Enforcement & EMS professionals only.
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Designed with all the lethality of the bigger Interceptor Series, the new Vindicator offers a unique covert design that can be conveniently carried almost anywhere on the body. With an overall length under ten inches, its design redefines concealable utility and lethality. A new broadening-blade design and double-edged tip offers extreme penetrating capability in a compact package. A deep belly and recurve design allows for an extreme, almost sword-like hollow grind that provides a disturbing cutting capability. The edge bevel is an extreme, nearly razor edge 70 degrees. Can be used as both a thrusting and slashing close-in, defensive weapon. The serrated top edge offers a much broader edge radius, and is designed for hard use cutting and hacking, preserving the razor edge of the main blade. The back taper of the broadening penetrator tip is beveled as not to catch on bone or clothing when withdrawn from the wound. Unique handle design incorporates paracord wrapping channels that allow user configuration of overall handle thickness. Ideal for those with large hands that wish a greater grip thickness than normally available. Beveled grip serrations at all user contact points provide outstanding grip in grave situations. The tapered and grip-serrated thumb ridge provides a broad reverse grip surface typically unavailable in shorter blade designs. Broad hilts keep the hand from-oversliding onto the blade should the user hit bone in a thrusting maneuver. Lethal, concealable. May be illegal in certain jurisdictions. For Professional and law enforcement use only in dual edge configuration.
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They look worse than fantasy knives made by United Cutlery and Frost.:barf:

The guys they have writing this crap couldn't write a script for Dolph Lundgren.
 
So how long has the Dark Ops forum been under maintenance? I think it has been over a year. I guess they didn't care for the comments they were getting and basically decided to shut it down.
 
Keith Montgomery said:
So how long has the Dark Ops forum been under maintenance? I think it has been over a year. I guess they didn't care for the comments they were getting and basically decided to shut it down.
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I seem to remember it going down the day or day after it went online. I guess they didn't like getting called out on home turf.
 
DeathByCactus said:
I have no arguement against Dark Ops, however, their knives are a bit to extreme for me with all the blood grooves and such. Besides the cactus is my prefered weapon of death.

Only thing I want from Dark Ops is their Hell fire flashlight so I can mount it on my AR-15, well its my dad's but he never uses it anymore. :)
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I just got a Hellfire and it doesnt compare to less lumened (is that a word?) surefire or even streamlight lights. It seems tough enough to be run over by a tank but the beam quality is low in my opinion. There's plenty of surefires, m3's, etc that can be mounted on an AR.
 
They were at SHOT, I wandered over there on the last day and handled a few of the folders. They seemed reasonably well made, nothing I would buy but not particularly shoddy 'workmanship' wise. They had a pretty big booth too, probably about 8x the size of the CRK one (I wonder who did more business though) free beers and a bunch of guys hanging around yukking it up. Not particularly helpful or interested in anyone browsing and no passion. I spoke to a metallurgist from BM, he was really into his work and a pleasure to talk to.

Odd to say the least, I dont know if they are laundering cash or what, but it seems like they have it to burn.
 
They might be being sold to the high end united cutlery type of person...

Believe it or not, that neck knife in the middle looks really neat to me. I'm not much for the serrations on the back, but really, I think it's an attractive knife.

Really though, the main reason I don't like dark ops knives is the controlled blood spray. Personally, when I covertly deanimate people, I like lots of blood spray, I mean, if you don't get showered in blood, you're not really getting the operator experience. It's like driving a Corvette with a silent exhaust system.

Lord help someone if they get legally involved using one of these knives for self defense....the prosecutor is going to have such an easy job making you look evil.
 
The ad mentions the "award-winning Stratofighters." Anyone know what (if any) awards these knives won?
 
In describing the Vindicator, "The edge bevel is an extreme, nearly razor edge 70 degrees." That sounds like something to hide rather than brag about. I bet that thing is a slicing machine.
 
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