Dark Ops Bad Rap

[Gollnick]

Me too. i can just SEE some Mall Ninja all dressed up in his "Swat" gear, with a Dark ops straped to his leg, and a Glock loaded with "Air Freedom" rounds.

That would be this fellow here:

 

[beefangusbeef]

Dang...YOUR RIGHT! I cant believe I missed that! USP Tacticools or Mark 23's are the only pistols officialy endorsed by the Mall Ninjas of America.

That's alright when choosing a 9mm I chose the USP over glock because of the tacticalness of it's all blackness, it covers approximately 7.32% more allowing you to sneak past mall security better!

 

[DPris]

I stopped at their SHOT Show booth & looked at a couple of the fixed blades. Most idiotic things I've seen outside a Gil Hibben fantasy collection. At the risk of offending, my opinion is that nobody who knows knives can take them very seriously across the board.
No opinion on the folders, didn't look at any, but the ad campaign is a definite liability to the company (total lack of respect by anybody with half a brain), and to the buyer who might ever use one for a defensive tool. The designs are also, rightly or wrongly, instantly biasing for police who may encounter one under circumstances where a Buck 110 would barely draw an eyebrow.

 

[M Wadel]

That's alright when choosing a 9mm I chose the USP over glock because of the tacticalness of it's all blackness, it covers approximately 7.32% more allowing you to sneak past mall security better!

to make it really really tactical you need 2 lasersights (at least), one red and one green, a red-dot sight and couple of those glow in the dark sights, you never know what you might encounter on your way home from the mall, terrorist conspiracies maybe

 

[harm]

LMAO! What we have here is more proof they couldn't design a turd.
The designs they came up with themselves are just plain awful!

They look worse than fantasy knives made by United Cutlery and Frost.:barf:

The guys they have writing this crap couldn't write a script for Dolph
Lundgren.

hey i like lundgren movies .those blades in the pics,they're real knives or cgi?D O is planning on writing covert deanimation booklets on their blades or what?

 

[1gailt]

I see this line used a lot and it never fails to amuse me.

What does "put them up to" actually mean? Head to head comparo to see which ones work best for posing with at the mall? Opening your mail? Slicing up cardboard in your garage?

How do you quantify this?

C'mon. :jerkit:

my thoughts exactly.I think they're mostly for mall posing.

 

[Rat Finkenstein]

hey i like lundgren movies .those blades in the pics,they're real knives or cgi?D O is planning on writing covert deanimation booklets on their blades or what?

I once saw a preview for a D.Lundgren movie, where they showed him diving through the air shooting At least 4-8 times (2 pistols, I think) I don't think they ever showed him not diving and shooting.

The pics seem to be poorly done on a computer, but that makes them every bit as real as all their fixed blades (that they never have released.)

Dork Ops might as well etch detailed deanimation procedures on the blades of every knife, since they already are filling that space with ridiculous and ugly mall ninja enhancement phrases.

 

[rdelliott]

The sorriest part of the whole story is that they probably will sell a lot of these to LEO and military who don't know knives.

Can you imagine the mocking that would result from an actual soldier showing up for duty with one of those things strapped on?

They'd have to transfer the poor SOB out of the unit .

 

[hkbladelawhk]

Reliable sources have reported that the knives are nice... but they're not worth their price. Most believe that you can get a comparable knife for a lot less money -- albeit without controlled blood splatter -- elsewhere.

The really big problem that the knife community has had with Dark Ops has centered around their outrageous advertizing which is in many places absolutely fiction. The most patently egregious example being their claim that a special coating makes their knives invisible in the infrared spectrum. Overall, their advertizing is downright embarrasing to the knife community and contributes to the public image that all knife collectors are armchair Rambos concerned about controlling blood splatter in covert deanimation operations.

The whole ad campaign makes it utterly impossible for a civilian to carry one of these knives. If you were to -- God forbid -- have to use your knife in a self-defense situation, the prosecutor would have a field day in front of the jury discussing your mindset and motives. "Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, the defendant had told you that he carries a pocket knife for opening boxes and trimming loose threads. He claims that circumstances forced him to employ his knife in self-defense that fateful evening. But the knife the defendant selected to carry with him on the evening that he killed the deceased is not sold for cutting loose threads. No. It is specifically designed to penetrate BODY ARMOR!, it is intended for "deanimation," to KILL! The State contends that when defendant went to the Club Foot that evening, he wasn't worried about hanging threads. He was worried about BLOOD SPLATTER!, specifically, the poor departed's blood..."

It's just the kind of image of a knife owner that we all cringe at and that many of us have invested considerable effort to assuage.

Add to this the blatent and shameless copying of ER's designs, and it's just all to much to bear.

The bottom line is that the knives are well-made, but they're not all they're cracked up to be and you can get many other knives just as well-made for substantially lower prices.

Imagine someone trying to sell you a stock Honda Accord for $50,000. It's a nice car and, by all accounts, well-built. But that's about twice the price it ought to be.

Well put...Dark ops knives are nice looking, and though I have never handled one...I'd never buy one for the ridiculous $230 price tag...I already own the folder MOD Mark Series, MArk I and Mark II. And I just see the stratofighter a ripoff of those, not specifically the design, but the price as well...I'll stick with MOD...

Whats the point of owning a "fighting" knife for $230...the thing is...if you ever use it...the courts are A. Going to take it and B. Probably throw you in jail for Assault with a deadly weapon (which consequently, in the State of Arizona, a knife is a dangerous instrument when used for defense, not a deadly weapon).

Now even the blackhawk blades are expensive, but I know they stand behind their gear. That and, when the courts look at the knife description, MOD doesnt say, "designed for killing" as Dark Ops does...

now, someone make me a sandwich, I'm hungry...

 

[hkbladelawhk]

hey i like lundgren movies .those blades in the pics,they're real knives or cgi?D O is planning on writing covert deanimation booklets on their blades or what?

Wow...the first one is a ripoff of the MOD Phoenix

 

[Knife Outlet]

Irish, you need to understand that the people who use these forums aren't the target market for Dark Ops. The advertising wasn't aimed at them and, naturally, doesn't appeal to them. I feel the same way about all kinds of advertising I see that wasn't targeted at me. Every time I see the stupid Vonage ads I swear I'll give up using the telephone before I ever give them any of my business.

I will say that I don't think the market they did target can afford their prices so that was probably a business error on their part. They have done a poor job of marketing in my opinion.

The knives themselves are of excellent quality. They are expensive but not really any more so than many other high end U.S. made knives. Personally, they don't appeal to me either but neither do knives from Strider or others that are given godlike status among this group. Don't let it get you down. You should buy and use what you like. Don't worry about what other like.

 

[Siggyhk]

I have to believe that dark ops makes decent knives, at very least. I couldn't give a s**t less how any knife is marketed, -its about the knife. I'm sure they are over priced, and I would rather have a extreem ratio, but, if I saw a cheap enough folder from dark ops I would buy it with out shame.
Also, If you like fine pistols / weapons and can't appreciate the greatness of a usp, you may want to handle one. -And I'm pretty sure a glock is black as well by the way.
I feel that some people have a problem with other peoples desire to own real "weapons". If I was to buy any weapon, I would try to buy the best one I could. The best. In the past I have owned probably 20-25 decent/ high quality firearms. I learned that, to me Sig and hk make the best pistols (they should be compared to a strider and Chris Reeve). This is a crazy world in which we live. Yet I don't believe I'm overly parinioid, and I serriously doubt I'll ever use ANY weapon against another human being. But- If I think there is even the slightest chance of a real life confrontation, I wouldn't want to have anything less than what I thought was the best. ( the Mateba 44 is up there too) -I don't know anything about those "futuristic" bullets, but if they relly where the greatest bullets around, how could you put a price on them.
-There is always a point where something is "good enough". But why settle with that unless you had to. Especially if it's something that may be used to protect you and/or your family? -Yeah, and if I had one (a usp), I'd put a "tac" light on it too. The most basic baranches of the military carry an m9 (I think), and the most ubundant police sidearm is a g17?. This is because those guns are "good enough" and cost effective. Other parts of the armed forces use sig and hk - this is because someone said give "these" guys the best we can find -not the best we could afford. -Damn, sorry to rant.
As far as dark ops, well, Spyderco and Benchmade (as well as many other companies) all make far better weapons/knives. -They just don't blab quite so much about thier knives greatness. -That's not to say dark ops is great.

 

[beefangusbeef]

you need to understand that the people who use these forums aren't the target market for Dark Ops.

And who would the targeted market be? I guess they're so elite that the targeted market is probably only 2 or 3 people. I haven't handled one so can't comment on the quality only on the cheesy designs and horrible marketing.

 

[James Green Dragon]

Chuck (Mr. G that is) hit the nail square on the head. These dudes deserve the bad rep many times over :thumbdn:

 

[DaveH]

targeted market be

mall ninjas. just like we've been saying. Except there are more then 2 or 3.

 

[razorsdescent]

Becasue Busse does it better. Along with strider and ranger knives.


For the love of god I cant even contemplate what they were thinking with that otf. The mind boggles and then screams and hides under the sofa. I mena honestly, what in the hell were they thinking. I fear for my ultratechs life, just looking at that pos. I reiterate what the f**K were they thinking.

I think the best thing said was the guy who said that their design team was a 10 year old.

 

[Cutshaw]

I don't know... they look kinda Klingon. They might be able to sell that OTF at a SciFi Con.

 

[beefangusbeef]

Except there are more then 2 or 3.

Those are the amateurs. They don't even have tiger striped balaclavas just plain black ones. I was talking about the ones that train the mall ninjas!!

 

[Bayoublaster]

Imagine someone trying to sell you a stock Honda Accord for $50,000. It's a nice car and, by all accounts, well-built. But that's about twice the price it ought to be.

But the guy at the lot told me that's how much they always go for.

 

[Keith Montgomery]

This is a company that if it went out of business tomorrow I wouldn't care, or probably even notice for that matter.