dark ops stratofighter folder

So my use of the english language is not so up to par.
Mall ninja tactics aside, I felt your post an offence.
I am not marketing myself as a badass, meerly questioning your authority as a graphic designer vs. my experience as a Soldier and a Paramedic to judge the merits of any knife.
My questions to you still stand my friend, Maybe your answers will help qualify your statements.
Knock off or not, I own one of their knives as I own many other knives and this is what I base my opinions and statements on.
 
runeman said:
So my use of the english language is not so up to par.
Mall ninja tactics aside, I felt your post an offence.
I am not marketing myself as a badass, meerly questioning your authority as a graphic designer vs. my experience as a Soldier and a Paramedic to judge the merits of any knife.
My questions to you still stand my friend, Maybe your answers will help qualify your statements.
Knock off or not, I own one of their knives as I own many other knives and this is what I base my opinions and statements on.
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So you admit that supporting rip off artists does not bother you.

99.9% of Soldiers and paramedics know squat about knives. So using that as a qualifier of expertise is like saying being a fry cook makes you an expert on European Sports cars. It is a ludicrous idea, and one used to market endless amounts of tactical knives- the idea that any given soldier is an authority on knives. Many Soldiers on this forum are in fact knowledgeable, but it is because they are knife enthusiasts, not due to their chosen profession.

In any case, knowledge of knives isn't the issue being discussed. The issue is how knowingly supporting crooks is a not a hallmark of integrity. If the knives were not ripoffs- simply original designs with retarded mall ninja marketing, then it would be a different story. Would you buy a stolen TV if there was no chance of being caught? What if that TV had a bunch of glitter and rhinestones glued to it, and was marketed as an effective device for repelling leprechauns?
 
Tendentious babbling. YOU say they're ripoff artists. There are legal remedies for that, if proven. Until then, the individual needs to make their own judgment. Point out the facts and stop judging.
 
There is no meaningful legal protection against ripoffs. Design patents are lame at best and by the time you actually get one, a design has been knocked off so many times that the legal expense of enforcing it is prohibitive. Only lawyers would profit from that exchange. The only meaningful protection a company can hope for is that the customer will value quality over cosmetics, but in the case of mall ninjas that's not likely.

Defending ripoff artists is unconscionable IMO. How can you possibly justify the theft of someone else's creativity and hard work? Stop judging? Might was well throw open the jail doors and let the chaos begin...
 
regor60 said:
Tendentious babbling. YOU say they're ripoff artists. There are legal remedies for that, if proven. Until then, the individual needs to make their own judgment. Point out the facts and stop judging.
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No shortage of people with guilty consciences when you start pointing out the facts regarding ethical choices.

If I was babbling, I might suggest you make your own judgement, then immediately tell you to stop judging. :rolleyes:
 
regor60 said:
Tendentious babbling. YOU say they're ripoff artists. There are legal remedies for that, if proven. Until then, the individual needs to make their own judgment. Point out the facts and stop judging.
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Extrema Ratio Nemesis:

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Add some Mall Ninja Additions and you get the Dark Ops Stratofighter Stiletto:

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Rip-off or not?
 
Rat Finkenstein said:
No shortage of people with guilty consciences when you start pointing out the facts regarding ethical choices.

If I was babbling, I might suggest you make your own judgement, then immediately tell you to stop judging. :rolleyes:
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Judging the facts vs judging people...but I think you got that;)
 
Judging people on their actions is fact based, as is the lofty status of Dork Ops as a scummy knock off Craptical mall ninja knife supplier to the ignorant and unethical.
 
I don't care for taking sides, just to take sides. It's very clear based on examples presented on this page alone (comparatives pictures and former employee of ER starting DO) that it's design theft. I question the true intent of anyone who brushes these 2 points off as unimportant or irrelevant.
 
Jos said:
Extrema Ratio Nemesis:

nemesis_big.jpg


Add some Mall Ninja Additions and you get the Dark Ops Stratofighter Stiletto:

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Rip-off or not?
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It's not even a GOOD rip off at that. If I was going to steal ideas I'd at least get rid of some of that terrible writing on the blade instead of adding more:rolleyes:
 
I can obviously see that I have picket a topic that is not only controversial but fundamental to the efficacy of the knife collecting/using public. I have been well educated by this, (a noob's) effort to find a knife suited for my needs. I have enjoyed this learning process as much as the endless hours comparing each knife on its own merits. Never once thinking about anyone other than myself. Which is pretty common among addicts. But now, I do see an axiological argument that makes short work of my question, weather or not to purchase and support a company that has risen to fame on the backs of its competition. Usually, when a corporation (dismisses/accepts a resignation) from a key employee, they ask for a legal document to prohibit that individual from competing within the same market. And that has much more legal balls than a copy rights infringement case. But on the other hand, this is a free country. And as a former Marine, I upheld freedom in its glory, and in its ugliness. I ask, is it not a free market that delivers goods to us, that anywhere else, that same item would be cost prohibitive. Is a loaf of bread worth $30, Hell yes! if you were hungry enough. I guess in the end, we must do that, which our own conscience, will tolerate. I have spoken!
 
Rat Finkenstein said:
So you admit that supporting rip off artists does not bother you.

99.9% of Soldiers and paramedics know squat about knives. So using that as a qualifier of expertise is like saying being a fry cook makes you an expert on European Sports cars. It is a ludicrous idea, and one used to market endless amounts of tactical knives- the idea that any given soldier is an authority on knives. Many Soldiers on this forum are in fact knowledgeable, but it is because they are knife enthusiasts, not due to their chosen profession.

In any case, knowledge of knives isn't the issue being discussed. The issue is how knowingly supporting crooks is a not a hallmark of integrity. If the knives were not ripoffs- simply original designs with retarded mall ninja marketing, then it would be a different story. Would you buy a stolen TV if there was no chance of being caught? What if that TV had a bunch of glitter and rhinestones glued to it, and was marketed as an effective device for repelling leprechauns?
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Well Sir,
Again you have not been willing to answer the questions I have posed to you.:confused: 99.9% of Soldiers and Paramedics use their knives every day for many tasks far and beyond opening mail or cutting boxes. (By the way how many do you know ?) I personally feel that the merits of a knife are proven by, it's proven use and the people who use them. People like Rick Hinderer a Firefighter and expert knifemaker. What do you base your authority on ? Making banners and signs ? Are you a knife maker ? Look back at my posts and see pictures of my work, while Im not a knife maker I think I know enough to make valid points concerning the merits of Knives I own.
I've also orderd an ER, MPC so I can do a side by side comparison just for fun.
Mr. Hossum was right, designs are copied overnight all the time. Look around your house and see how many products are knock off's of someone elses design.
Look at the wrists of every person you pass and see how many Rolex style or G shock style watches you see, and make sure to tell them how unethical they are for not buying a real Rolex or real G shock. Do you buy all name brand products when you go to walmart, because buying the generic knock off's is unethical. Get real man, people buy what they feel is a good deal for their money. If they can get the same style, function or quality of a name brand product through a generic and save money, most are going to do that.
Maybe like most Homophobic's out there you are secretly trying to hide the fact that you go to the mall wearing BDU's and spike wrist bands proudly displaying your black belt T-shirt the whole time hopeing you can chump down a group of middle schoolers in the food court.
Yes the Dark-op's are an embelished copy of ER's designs but they are not cheap counterfeits. I have a Swiss made Swiss army watch and from 20' away it's hard to tell it from a Rolex submariner. Is it a design copy, yes.
Is it a cheap unethical knock off, no, It's a popular style and like any popular style it's going to be copied. As for your stolen TV analogy, grow up ! :jerkit: :eek:
 
lcplcookba said:
So the "dork ops" is off my wish list. And great advise so far, thanks! Now the real question, I want an extremely heavy (weight) large bladed folding knife with a failsafe locking mechanism. Is there such an animal in existence? And at a reasonable price? I am beginning to think I will have better luck finding a virgin at an ICP concert
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Have you considered to buy the "real deal" from Extrema Ratio? I have the Nemesis folder and it is heavy, large bladed and has a failsafe locking mechanism (with an extra lock to lock the locking mechanism).
Price is a bit high.
 
Well, well, Runeman. You were the one that came into this thread defending your purchase of a Dark Ops (can't you just feel your inner Ninja tingle at the sound of that name;)). Why? If you don't like knifenuts' opinions, stay out of threads (i.e. follow the advice in your signature line "If you don't go there, you won't have to suffer the consequences.")

Rat and Jerry are spot on!

runeman said:
In my pocket right now is a Dark-ops stratofighter stilletto that I got this tuesday. Not to ruffle any feathers around here because I have really enjoy'd this forum, But I think there is too much emphasis placed on the corny over the top ad campain:jerkit:. The High end Knife market is a tough place.
I mean how many of you guy's have told someone how much one of your knives have cost and they nearly sh!t they'er pants. So I think anything a new unproven Knife co. can do to promote sales they are going to do.
And yes to a group of true Knife Knuts like us the ad's are going to erk us abit. (see my post in the general knife forum, "can I be a mall ninja")
The knife itself IMHO is a massive well built though very different kind of folder
and yes it is a copy of the ER nemisis which is what I would love to have, but just like the Striders I would like to have. Out of my current price range.
The stratofighter's are a nice alternative at around $200.00. It is a well built
solid hunk of folder with a few added improvement to the original ER design.
I will be posting a full review after a good period of EDC.
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