Deal with "Merz" if you want a headache goat rodeo....

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palonej said:
No Wolf!!! He wanted it F&F or net to him!! I couldn't friggin believe it! I actually PMd Rev about it!! He, as usual, gave me excellent advice!!
Joe
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Relax, I was joking. I don't even thing pp will allow you to send that small of an amount via Goods, since it's lower than their base fee of $.30.
 
cda555 said:
I can't take anyone seriously who starts a post "ok ok hold up check it out" and ends it with "you're a lame homeboy."
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Bigfattyt said:
For some reason, I feel like I just read a text message from a a 14 year old....sent from under the desk (so teacher won't confiscate the cell phone)......in remedial English class where the sender is, predictably, failing.
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I try not to judge haha, but I caught myself feeling the same way.

The biggest issue with "net to me" (not this instance, but in general) is that, for example, you have a knife for sale...$100 net to me. Well PP fees are 2.9% + $0.30 so that equals $103.20. But if a person sends you $103.20 then PP takes off 2.9% that leaves $100.20 then minus $0.30 equal $99.90 :confused: It's just entirely too confusing to be trying to figure out how much to actually send a person for them to net a specific amount. It can be done, but it's just asking for complications.
 
Very easy to figure out paypal fee..just goole 'payplal fees calculator'.
If one wants to figure it out, he can. If he doesn't want to, that's a different story.

Have no problem with 'net to me' or 'not'. Every seller should set up his sales thread the way he feels it's right.

I don't think this Merz did this becouse he's new here. We all were new here once, but didn't approached a seller in this manner. I'm assuming he's fairly young and has a lot to learn.
 
Last time I used PayPal they specifically had a section showing how much the person will receive after fees.


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Don't want to have to defend myself...so here it is. I'm over this now haha...I don't have a history of ranting. Maybe we use this as a lesson...at the very least I will:

-Cut off bizarre transactions right off the bat.
-NEVER use NET pmt unless you want the potential for confusion.

"Yep, all yours. $190net Goods.
Paypal is pbuckleswsu@gmail.com
Will box it up and ship it in the AM...will send tracking as soon as it is sent!
Paul"

"190Net (that means you bump for fees) is my asking price man. Its not good forum etiquette to say Ill take it then dicker with the price. Its already been recently dropped.
Paul"

"Sean, I received 184.19. I listed the knife as 190NET, and also emailed that price. Most listings are this way on the forum, nearly 8/10 listings.
190 NET means I end up with 190 after fees settle. Since I'm covering USPS Priority shipping, the buyer covers the fees with the NET portion.
Can you gift over 5.81 to settle the difference.
Will ship to the address in Paypal, I will add tracking once shipped to this email and Paypal.
I see that you are new to the forum; hope this make sense : )
Paul"

--In response to sending over the final amount:
"That works, send over the final pmt and I will get it shipped out as soon as it clears.
Welcome to the forum!
Paul"
 
I've only bought one knife that was listed with a price NET to the seller, who wanted 4%. Even with the fee included the price was about half the retail cost. I didn't argue over it because it was a great deal. That was an exception for me. If a sale says NET or friends and family then I close the browser tab and move on. This thread is yet another example in a long line of examples about why NET shouldn't be allowed and why one price to your door should be the governing practice.
 
F&F or "net" and I am out. Don't want to google, calculate or worry. I don't care what the feedback rating is or how bad I want the knife. If you want the net option you should do the math and put it in the sales thread and I might consider it, but probably not.
 
cda555 said:
I can't take anyone seriously who starts a post "ok ok hold up check it out" and ends it with "you're a lame homeboy." I normally don't tell people how to spend their money, but If you have to wait to pay someone less than $2, maybe you shouldn't be buying a knife.
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Ha Ha - that's a good one .............I'll have to remember that. My thoughts as well. :D
 
My Ads include: I reserve the right to sell or to refuse to sell at all times. I believe the OP has learned that. If you see enough red flags in communicating with the buyer, then politely end the transaction. You should be able to quickly tell when the transaction is potentially more trouble than it's worth. Stick with G&S only, and you're less likely to be the OP in a GBU thread.
 
mygirlolivia said:
I think the OP is lame for starting this thread. Guy backs out in less then a day cause he doesn't understand what "net to me" means. He found a deal while OP nickle and dimed him over Paypal fees. Buyer found better deal. If OP had been clearer on fee's he wouldn't have this problem. I like how OP mentions he doesn't put "net to me" in his adds anymore. No harm done, annoyed OP but not seeing it as a reason to bash anyone.
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Ambiguous pricing is just an open door invitation to conflict.
 
Especially with new members some of the terms used here are not used in ordinary dialect. "Net to me" and "bump for fees" could be new to new folks.

I personally hate the term "net to me" and they only accept PayPal. Just post the total amount you want and let's move forward with the deal. Direct and succinct is best practice.
 
I just saw a real winner. Posted for sale in a hosted knifemaker forum.
Seller pays transport and splits PP fees. (How much is that??)

Then asks why no one is interested.
Probably because no one saw it for one thing, and the price was ambiguous.
 
I don't mind it as a buyer as I just round up to the nearest $5 mark. If rough paypal estimate is 103.23 you're getting 105.

As a seller or provider though, I don't need the headache. It's $XX.XX G&S shipped.
 
mygirlolivia said:
I think the OP is lame for starting this thread. Guy backs out in less then a day cause he doesn't understand what "net to me" means. He found a deal while OP nickle and dimed him over Paypal fees. Buyer found better deal. If OP had been clearer on fee's he wouldn't have this problem. I like how OP mentions he doesn't put "net to me" in his adds anymore. No harm done, annoyed OP but not seeing it as a reason to bash anyone.
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Do you agree to disagree? The OP is the opposite of lame. And he's not bashing anyone. Just helps people like me NOT to deal with people like this "ok ok hold up check it out" gangsta wannabe merz.
You obviously didn't have to deal with this kind of buyer that derails your sales thread posting 'I'll take it' just to start a barrage of e-mail asking question....and thinks is entitled as a buyer to abuse your time, just to pull out of the deal for whatever reason.

Read this again:

KnifeCollectorPB said:
Hey fellas, I never post negative feedback but this one takes the cake. I'll be quick....avoid unless you want a headache. This didn't ruin my day or anything...just don't want our good members having to deal with this....

*Checked the thread and saw "sent you a PM" then also saw "I'll take it"
*Received an email from this guy...with two other email address listed. Responded to the original.
*Sent two follow up emails to Merz, but he proceeded to use the thread as a means of communication...not email.
*Finally got a response from another email address he listed.
*Proceeded to question the validity of my claim "LNIB."
*Asked if I think he should buy it and if I like it.
*Asked why I'm selling it among other stuff.
*Finally agreed to send pmt even though he already claimed it. Proceeded to tell me he would be sending over $185 because his girlfriend needed money and he is trying to avoid a fight.
*I reiterate/explain my asking price of $190NET (I have steered away from the NET crap, but this is how I listed this one to soften the blow).
*Proceeds to stiff me, I get $184
*Follow up with him and he agrees to send me another $6 in which he sends $4
*I follow up again and he responds that he will send the final payment later when he has the money.
*I package knife up and it is ready to go.
*I get a barrage of emails at 5AM asking for a refund, basically saying I'm not competitive with Amazon prices.
*Money refunded after having my first cup of coffee this morning. Was thinking about adding something more stiff to the coffee.
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You thing this is about 'net to me'?
There is a simple solution to that...if u don't know what 'net to me' means....you can maybe....ask?
He sure asked a ton of other questions, using 3 different mail accounts mind you.

You say I'll take it, you agree to the terms and conditions of the seller. Period.

Still don't see anything wrong with it?

Common sense is not so common anymore this days....
 
Merz said:
Ok ok hold up check it out sent PB $190 what he was asking then he said i need to send him $.581 more , i only hade $4 left on card so i sent that, then he starts asking when can you send the rest asked me 3 times mind you were talking bout $1.58 and i already gave him $4 more, but i say no problem ill send it first thing in mourning. Then come to find out theres 5 vr71 on amazon rite now for $179.99 brand new not used like the one i was anout to pay $20 more for i still dont mind what bothered me is he kept asking about when can you send that $1.58 one dollar and fifty cents, so i asked nicely for a $184.99 return he didnt do anything yet and i gave him $9 for froubling him then he goes and bashes me on the forum, really bro. Your a lame homeboy get a life
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There's a ton of "read between the lines" info about this guy that's more valuable than any feedback score.

Read it a few times, lame homeboys....
 
Whether a sellers price is all inclusive, or just a mathematical equation that needs to be solved, buyers will always try to make a lower offer. Either way, a seller will rarely get the original asking price, unless it's a high demand item. That's just another reason why all the fancy pricing is not practical.
 
When I joined this nut house they promised there would be no math.......they lied!!!
 
Spameater12003 said:
F&F or "net" and I am out. Don't want to google, calculate or worry. I don't care what the feedback rating is or how bad I want the knife. If you want the net option you should do the math and put it in the sales thread and I might consider it, but probably not.
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bingo! many people don't get my business because of this. it is seller responsibilty to cover fees, not the buyer. trying to pass fees off on the buyer is lame. fees are maybe $3-$6? just add that into your asking price.

I always cover shipping and fees as a seller. it comes off as more tactful and I've had many repeat buyers because of my stellar communication and the way I choose to operate.
 
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