Meh, whatever, with the how much mark up there is on Busse, knives, they're simply not worth the money for me to deal with "Dealers" and "Flippers" since I'm not a knife collector that never uses them and sticks them in a safe. I suppose if I were in the middle of nowhere a lot and could only carry only one knife, then I suppose a INFI awesomeness would be called for, but I live in the City.
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Dealers: What's the deal?
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You're right, the cost/benefit is not motivating enough for some folk to buy blades.
My first motivation for buying a busse (Sar6) was to get the best blade possible for my bugoutbag.
I too live in the city, but for recreation, I head up to the mountains and other wilderness areas where having a blade is more common as well as more useful, so I ended up buying more than one.
One way to avoid dealers/flippers is to just buy direct from busse website. It requires patience, but you're guaranteed the stock price.
Also, the Busse business model has shifted. They seem to be producing more stock knives, which increases supply of INFI, therefore unfulfilled demand decreases, and also price. Of course, some models will maintain a premium markup, but overall, I suspect markup across the board is less than it used to be due to increased duration and number supplied of busse releases (such as the boss jack that's been available for MONTHS).
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Maybe it's the economy/inflation or threads like this and the Busse Price Guide thread but it seems like the really high priced knives on the exchange haven't been selling like they were a few months ago(actually a sharp decline)- I've been watching the for sale threads and I'm often seeing 0 responses as opposed to 2 or 3 for high priced blades that I saw before and the knives that are priced closer to original pricing seem to sell pretty quick sometimes.
At the British knife forum sellers are obliged since a couple of years to leave the price visible after the sale.
No one cares how much someone earns on a sale, but this makes it possible to see the actual market value of the knives.
Buyers can much better determine if the price is high or low, sellers can better see what a knife will sell for.
Another policy is that the price must be all inclusive (shipping , paypall costs), naturally international shipping would be extra. There's also the possibility to give the members ratings, reputation - this might be helpful for some.
These policies work wonderful and are recommendable.
For the same reason you can check on ebay the Completed listings to get a better view about the actual market value of the item.
Removing the sale price gives it a bad taste imho :thumbdn:
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Is there even any reasonable argument for why prices should NOT be kept?
And I still don't understand why the ONLY place dealers are allowed to sell alongside individuals is the Busse exchange??? Spark ever comment on this?
With that said, as of late, I've been seeing a lot more people keeping the prices up - its great.
And I still don't understand why the ONLY place dealers are allowed to sell alongside individuals is the Busse exchange??? Spark ever comment on this?
With that said, as of late, I've been seeing a lot more people keeping the prices up - its great.
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Knife makers have an excuse... As their skill level progresses, they charge more. If you're not a knife maker I see as being either shady or silly.
anonymous purchasers as well
if there is a knife I really want,it would be great to
track it down.
also would be good to research the history of a blade.
if the for sale thread says "first I'll take it"
why not list the buyers name...
(although,I can see a valid reason why the buyer wouldnt want his/her name listed)
((and an angry spouse is not the reason! ))
if there is a knife I really want,it would be great to
track it down.
also would be good to research the history of a blade.
if the for sale thread says "first I'll take it"
why not list the buyers name...
(although,I can see a valid reason why the buyer wouldnt want his/her name listed)
((and an angry spouse is not the reason!
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Good point.
I guess I was more thinking with the Busse exchange specifically - where the "maker" issue would not be a problem...
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see this post - http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...Dealers-What-s-the-deal?p=9513601#post9513601
-personal preference
-if the person wishes to charge more and doesn't want his original prices referenced
-if the person doesn't want an active record of the sales progression of prices so that his prices aren't questioned against them
-if the person wants to have his sale prices kept non-public from anyone in his life that might be checking for sale prices/monies earned (at least, a non-bank/government entity since paypal would have record of it, unless they dealt only in money orders)
-If the person had issues with personal information being online and felt that money earned through sales was part of that personal information
-If the person was covering for the buyer who wished to potentially sell it at a higher price later on and not have the sale reference (buyer seller confidentiality)
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I know this topic is pretty much worn out but... There was one time I bought a blade from a private seller that I had become friends with. The seller sold me the very rare mint piece under his blade show price. Well under it. He really took care of me. The knife was then listed as SOLD. No price and no buyer. Sometimes ur business is ur business. Should the buyer sell all of his blades under cost because he had a kind heart with me? No, I don't think so. Now this is coming from a guy who has never sold a single knife in his life and I never intend to. If I was to ever want to get rid of the knife I would contact the original seller and see if he wanted it back for the same price so he could sell it for much more without a problem, or keep it or do whatever. If someone gives me a great deal I appreciate it and I remember. That's just my thoughts.
I don't see why the sale prices should be erased?
The sellers may ask whatever price he wants to ask.
If he has sold a knife at a lower price in the past has no influence on the price he may ask tomorrow.
The seller don't need to explain his reasons.
It's a free market of offer and demand.
But leaving the prices after the sale could benefit all and makes the experience more transparent.
If not it looks like there is something to hide.
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It's a matter of perspective. If your the buyer, and you see a swath of knives sold at 250$ and the only seller available at the moment is selling it for 400$, you might say to him 'hey, this is what they've sold for, I don't want to pay more then that. Please sell it to me for less.', the seller then has to say to you 'no.' which isn't a problem for some, for others it's a serious annoyance they would like to avoid.
it becomes 'my annoyance is greater then yours, so you have to do it my way'. Until spark decides to make it a rule that sales prices stay up - it's entirely up to the seller how he wishes to run his sale (as long as all present rules of the forum are followed).
Note that I'm not saying "sales prices should be erase", nor am I saying "Sellers should be forced to keep their sales prices up indefinitely". I'm saying that there are reasons on both sides for each action. As it stands it's the sellers choice, and that choice is made for series of reasons, some of which are listed above, and in the original post linked in my last post.
Don't let the name fool ya...Do me a favor, read more next time before you start to contribute...............
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/847726-I-m-so-sick-of-the-double-standard!!!
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/847726-I-m-so-sick-of-the-double-standard!!!
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Neo,
What I said above is only one example of a reason you may find a price or a buyer missing. I have not even looked on the exchange for years and I have picked up plenty of knives. For my example I did not have the money but I asked the seller if he could hold the blade for me. Like I said we had gotten to know and trust each other. The seller actually offered me the low price. Lets say the knife was sold for ~700 direct, selling on the exchange for 800+ and the seller offered it to me for under 500 shipped. I was making payments on the blade and he just said, I have never done this before but its on its way. I guess he knew how much I wanted the knife and got to know me and that I really just wanted the knife for myself. The seller does not sell often at all, I never see him post anymore, he is not hard up for cash and is no way a dealer or flipper. It WAS out of the kindness of his heart that he took such a loss on the knife. For that I really am grateful to him. If you want to look at it as the seller and I are hiding something then so be it. This transaction would be more like you bought a knife and one of your buddies wanted it and you either GAVE it to them or gave them a really awesome deal. So you can keep it between you and your buddy or you can broadcast the fact that you have a soft spot and might just sell all of your stuff at a loss because you are a good person. My example was probably not even relevant to this discussion, therefore, disregard it.
Kevin
What I said above is only one example of a reason you may find a price or a buyer missing. I have not even looked on the exchange for years and I have picked up plenty of knives. For my example I did not have the money but I asked the seller if he could hold the blade for me. Like I said we had gotten to know and trust each other. The seller actually offered me the low price. Lets say the knife was sold for ~700 direct, selling on the exchange for 800+ and the seller offered it to me for under 500 shipped. I was making payments on the blade and he just said, I have never done this before but its on its way. I guess he knew how much I wanted the knife and got to know me and that I really just wanted the knife for myself. The seller does not sell often at all, I never see him post anymore, he is not hard up for cash and is no way a dealer or flipper. It WAS out of the kindness of his heart that he took such a loss on the knife. For that I really am grateful to him. If you want to look at it as the seller and I are hiding something then so be it. This transaction would be more like you bought a knife and one of your buddies wanted it and you either GAVE it to them or gave them a really awesome deal. So you can keep it between you and your buddy or you can broadcast the fact that you have a soft spot and might just sell all of your stuff at a loss because you are a good person. My example was probably not even relevant to this discussion, therefore, disregard it.
Kevin
Yes I understand sellers will keep deleting their prices after sale if this isn't a rule everyone needs to follow.
But the argumentation they use is weak.
Of course those who sell a lot know the market, those who sell a knife by circumstance have tough luck
But the argumentation they use is weak.
Of course those who sell a lot know the market, those who sell a knife by circumstance have tough luck