Dealers: What's the deal?

[adrock1978]

What is there to reply to? If you want to buy their blades, make an offer, if you don’t feel like it, don’t.

What does that have to with, in any way, my few questions and what I said about dealers chiming in. Who said anything about not wanting to pay their price? Why do people feel they need to throw in their useless, off track, abrupt, captain obvious answers that offer nothing to a thread. I guess its obvious by the 77 responses before you, that no one else shares any interest in the topic. Thanks for clearing it all up. :thumbup:

 

[Jaxx]

Its funny how no dealers have replied with personal opinions.

You mean other than dericdesmond, who for now is sailing under a Dealer's membership?

And why should they? 15+ minutes after this thread kicked off, a Dealer got a heck of a deal on the X... kinda wish I'd seen it first.

When Dealers get involved in these types of threads, they find themselves usually having to defend themselves from the inevitable dog piling that ensues. Why do you think that I've been parked in here all night?

 

[Last Visible Canary]

There is an element of luck and risk involved in picking the right model.
Let’s see someone does this with my beloved SAR5.

As a bussinessman the dealer or seller will decide what the likely increase in value over time will be and price accordingly. While the sar5 may not seem like much of a hot seller now, it has a popular following and may bring in prices as high as 375-400$ in the next few years. NMFBM that retail for 600 are currently bringing prices at 900$ in certain instances, they could well sell for 1,400$ in the next few years if they start dropping out of the shows.

Be as it may I’m going to speculate there are few fellas sitting on Busse blades unable to get back what they've put in. Again, you still need to be lucky with your model selection.

No, you need to know what the market is and what models are most popular and what models are currently still in production. The market isn't just random luck, quite a bit of it has ran it's course in a predictable way, though the highest highs have been surpising at times. If you price for modest reliable returns, most models bring in a 25-100% increase in msrp at some time over a 3 year period as long as you have active stock of that model during that entire period. Dealers would not need to worry about getting back the money they put into a knife that was initially highly overvalued because they are dealers whose job is to make money on their purchases. If they are buying at highest secondary market prices and then expecting a profit they are very bad at their jobs.

What is there to reply to? If you want to buy their blades, make an offer, if you don’t feel like it, don’t.

It's in reference to the various opinions being stated in this thread about how dealers should or should not conduct their business (and possibly why they conduct their bussiness as they do). I am assuming that they are not replying because in nearly every other thread of this nature the comments grow progressively more negative until page 3 where there isn't a single constructive comment to be found. A dealers presence giving their opinions has historically not had a beneficial impact on the negative trend. Even if the dealer is 100% courteous and gave legitimate excellent and polite answers those threads that have gone down that path would still likely continue in the negative direction.

 

[adrock1978]

This is about adrock being upset because he doesn't want to pay the price on the knives he'd like to buy (just a hunch). So with markets behaving as they do, you will not buy one (maybe you will) and the seller will find another buyer and the deal is done. Next knife might try to fetch the same, but find it won't sell for months.. THE MARKET WILL DETERMINE WHAT A KNIFE IS WORTH. So.. deal with it.. plus this forum.. is open to the public as a service now being paid for by myself and others. Find a knife in your budget and be happy you are able to have free speech and the ability to purchase a knife or not... cheers.

Jesus... where are people getting the notion That I have an issue with dealer prices? I asked a few questions regarding a trend I've noticed in buying and selling the 26 Busse & Kin I've owned and the two years I've been around here.

 

[adrock1978]

It's in reference to the various opinions being stated in this thread about how dealers should or should not conduct their business (and possibly why they conduct their bussiness as they do). I am assuming that they are not replying because in nearly every other thread of this nature the comments grow progressively more negative until page 3 where there isn't a single constructive comment to be found. A dealers presence giving their opinions has historically not had a beneficial impact on the negative trend. Even if the dealer is 100% courteous and gave legitimate excellent and polite answers those threads that have gone down that path would still likely continue in the negative direction.

Nice. Another logical answer. Again, that makes sense. I intentionally left any names out of my OP, in order to avoid the dealer bashing. I was just asking questions I've pondered for a while.

 

[Jaxx]

This is about adrock being upset because he doesn't want to pay the price on the knives he'd like to buy (just a hunch). So with markets behaving as they do, you will not buy one (maybe you will) and the seller will find another buyer and the deal is done. Next knife might try to fetch the same, but find it won't sell for months.. THE MARKET WILL DETERMINE WHAT A KNIFE IS WORTH. So.. deal with it.. plus this forum.. is open to the public as a service now being paid for by myself and others. Find a knife in your budget and be happy you are able to have free speech and the ability to purchase a knife or not... cheers.


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This IS nice, so no bunched panties, k? :E

adrock1978 knows the game and owns and has owned some really fine knives. See his avatar. He raised a topic, we're discussing it. For the record, keep in mind that this is a privately owned website that is open to those who treat it and other members who belong to it with respect (as they should as well). And, for the record, who really does want to pay the price for the knives they want? I will pay, but I'd rather have 'em for free! Just sayin...

 

[BigLebowski65]

What does that have to with, in any way, my few questions and what I said about dealers chiming in. Who said anything about not wanting to pay their price? Why do people feel they need to throw in their useless, off track, abrupt, captain obvious answers that offer nothing to a thread. I guess its obvious by the 77 responses before you, that no one else shares any interest in the topic. Thanks for clearing it all up. :thumbup:

Let me clear up some more then. I think you were looking to stir up some $hit with your OP “questions”
LVC gave very informative and comprehensive answers; it seems there is still not enough drama for you, needed to drag the dealers in. Keep it up.

 

[legaleagle]

I have not found that free Busse either Jaxx. But I keep looking!

 

[Jaxx]

I have not found that free Busse either Jaxx. But I keep looking!

Some day, brother...some day...!

 

[VoxHog]

And why should they? 15+ minutes after this thread kicked off, a Dealer got a heck of a deal on the X... kinda wish I'd seen it first.

Yep, I saw that too, about 10 minutes before it sold. I thought about buying it, but I handled that knife (or one just like it) at Blade and knew that it didn't fit a niche in my personal collection.

 

[legaleagle]

Honestly, I would have to say that people's frustration's come from the lack of availability from the company more than the dealers. I am not hating- I am an INFI addict to the highest degree- I have my new car sitting in a brown box at my feet to prove it. But when I first started looking for my first bussekin I found it different, and a little confusing. I am still waiting to have a big, medium, and small knife available on the website (I know- two weeks). I wish I could log into the website and order any model I wanted- but that isn't how the business is run. So if you want the knives learn the game.

Now I was upset when I drove all the way to KC in the Fall with all the expense of gas, food, lodging, etc. to get there and have a lot of models all gobbled up by the HOGS. That is when the "no regrets" gets tested. But I learned, and still managed to spend (for me) a good chunk of money.

Just like Blade. Drove over last year thinking I could just walk in, pick the models I wanted and could get back to work. HaHa. Makes me laugh thinking about it now. Lessons learned for this piglet.

 

[VoxHog]

... the ever elusive "perfect" collection.

I did pick up a Basic 7 tonight though. I think it will work nicely in my light-weight set... Swamp Warden, SS4, S5, B7, Tramp, SBRat, B11.

 

[legaleagle]

Nice light weight set. SS4- jealous

 

[dericdesmond]

Now I was upset when I drove all the way to KC in the Fall with all the expense of gas, food, lodging, etc. to get there and have a lot of models all gobbled up by the HOGS. That is when the "no regrets" gets tested. But I learned, and still managed to spend (for me) a good chunk of money.

Just like Blade. Drove over last year thinking I could just walk in, pick the models I wanted and could get back to work. HaHa. Makes me laugh thinking about it now. Lessons learned for this piglet.

Now that sucks but it is what it is! Same thing pretty much happened to me my first show. Never again will my first trip to the Busse table be on a Saturday, it may as well be Sunday.

 

[VoxHog]

In a society like ours, a free one, where willing buyers and sellers come together the market is what the market is. What is something worth? That's personal, fluid and highly subjective.

I have made some good deals (found a bargain) and bought into some bad deals (paid too much) over the years. If you are patient you can find a good deal. I don't fault a seller for starting high and then lowering their price over time until he finds the right buyer. It does bother me when I see someone get killed on a quick-flip. Does it make sense for the seller to make some coin, sure it does... it compensates the seller for the risk and time involved. That being said, nobody likes being taken advantage of. There is profit, and there is greed... where's the line? That's the tricky part.

 

[legaleagle]

It is what it is.

Garth and the Crew saved it. They were super cool. Especially rolling out of the truck half asleep and having to deal with a cracked up INFI addict like I am. I was almost bouncing waiting for them. Like I said I found plenty to buy. But spending so much on knifes without feeling them sucks. At the time i was interested in a smaller Busse and wanted to feel some. I have corrected that problem, and as the path to HOGdom shows, bought several models and multiples of some.

 

[VoxHog]

Nice light weight set. SS4- jealous

Thanks bud. :thumbup: The SS4 is a winner and fights with my Bog Dog for dibs on the hiking belt.

 

[BigLebowski65]

As a bussinessman the dealer or seller will decide what the likely increase in value over time will be and price accordingly. While the sar5 may not seem like much of a hot seller now, it has a popular following and may bring in prices as high as 375-400$ in the next few years. NMFBM that retail for 600 are currently bringing prices at 900$ in certain instances, they could well sell for 1,400$ in the next few years if they start dropping out of the shows.

I’m not contesting your statement of Busse knives in mint condition generally increase in value. I disagree that all (or most) of Busse knives will eventually bring in 4xMSRP (or something along those numbers), regardless of how long the seller is willing to wait.
Additionally, if there were a model consistently fetching those numbers on secondary markets, this model would be quickly reintroduced I imagine.

No, you need to know what the market is and what models are most popular and what models are currently still in production. The market isn't just random luck, quite a bit of it has ran it's course in a predictable way, though the highest highs have been surpising at times. If you price for modest reliable returns, most models bring in a 25-100% increase in msrp at some time over a 3 year period as long as you have active stock of that model during that entire period. Dealers would not need to worry about getting back the money they put into a knife that was initially highly overvalued because they are dealers whose job is to make money on their purchases. If they are buying at highest secondary market prices and then expecting a profit they are very bad at their jobs.

I don’t want to go there as I’m unfamiliar with this business, but I was talking more about guys trying to go for a quick flip and getting "stuck" rather than dealers with large inventories.

It's in reference to the various opinions being stated in this thread about how dealers should or should not conduct their business (and possibly why they conduct their bussiness as they do). I am assuming that they are not replying because in nearly every other thread of this nature the comments grow progressively more negative until page 3 where there isn't a single constructive comment to be found. A dealers presence giving their opinions has historically not had a beneficial impact on the negative trend. Even if the dealer is 100% courteous and gave legitimate excellent and polite answers those threads that have gone down that path would still likely continue in the negative direction.

Again, I’m not clear on why a dealer or anyone else for that matter has to justify their way of doing things. Sales are the best indicator of such conduct.

 

[bomberstyle]

Just to chime in after 5 pages. I would appreciate a rating for a transaction with a particular dealer. It doesn't have to be very detailed, just a 1,2, or 3 out of 3 rating for a dealer and a quick comment if the deal went smooth. It would benefit the buyers, as they'd be able to see who the consensus trusts, and it would benefit the dealers since buyers would see past transactions summarized in a rating (or maybe even ranking) and wouldn't have to scroll through miles of comments about how well a deal went.
Could lead to a dealer of the year award

 

[Jaxx]

Just to chime in after 5 pages. I would appreciate a rating for a transaction with a particular dealer. It doesn't have to be very detailed, just a 1,2, or 3 out of 3 rating for a dealer and a quick comment if the deal went smooth. It would benefit the buyers, as they'd be able to see who the consensus trusts, and it would benefit the dealers since buyers would see past transactions summarized in a rating (or maybe even ranking) and wouldn't have to scroll through miles of comments about how well a deal went.
Could lead to a dealer of the year award

Everyone has an iTrader rating here. Just like on eBay, you can see their percentage of successful deals, the number of how many unique buyers/sellers they've dealt with, and the total number of deals feedback was submitted for. Simply click on the member's name in any post they've made, then in the drop down menu, click "View Profile", and on the page after it loads, click the "Check Feedback" tab. Between this and searching their name in the feedback forum, The Good, The Bad, & The Ugly in the Exchange you will get a good indication on whether or not you will want to deal with a particular Buyer/Seller.