Deep carry clips? Why?

billym said:
So I recenty put a BM 810 clip on a mini Griptilian t0 see how I like it. Jury is still out but here are some obsevations.
IMO;
The clip sticks out and into your hand when using the knife and makes it less comfortable and therefore less useful.
The clip is holding onto less of my pocket than either of BM's standard clips that fit the Griptilians too. So it feels less secure.
The knife is harder to get out of my pocket since it is lower with less to grab onto.
I like the look of the clip itself.
I think they have their place but are a bit "trendy" these days.
Flame away boys!
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I did the same, but I just flattened the clip a bit so it didn't stick out so much. Problem solved:thumbup:
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Guys..... It's not that hard.

Need discretion? IWB carry

Need to make sure you don't loose it? IWB carry


Now you might be saying "but wait! You can't deploy you penetrator nearly as fast in a tactical package opening situation!":rolleyes:

My favorite set up is IWB with just a little sticking up so its easier to get. At this point it doesn't matter though because Ive been doing it like this for so long that I can actually get it out just as fast as I could from my pocket....
 
billym said:
^^^Have you really had someone get upset ("worked up") by seeing your clip and thinking you have a knife? I have openly and unabashedly EDC in the open and in all that time never had someone "react" to my carrying a knife.
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Actually yes, and witnessed it happen to another guy who as it turned out just had a small flashlight clipped in his pocket.
 
LEGION 12 said:
If anything a low ride clip makes it easier for me to remove my knife. Finger on the end of the clip and pull up. My question would be why don't Mfg's all make low ride clips ?
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See I'm the opposite I dont like a deep carry on my tip down knives.
 
LEGION 12 said:
That's cause you live in Canada. ;)
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Yup, legally we can carry any size of knife as long as it's not concealed. (No automatics, gravity knives or balisongs either) This allows standard in pocket, deep carry, belt, hell even strapped to your leg as long as it's outside of clothing. No boot knives or tucking inside waistband, say at the small of your back for example. A neck knife is ok too as long as it's on the outside. However we also have a lot of paranoid people too...just easier to have a deep carry with a darker and or non reflective finish.
 
spyderg said:
Yup, legally we can carry any size of knife as long as it's not concealed. (No automatics, gravity knives or balisongs either) This allows standard in pocket, deep carry, belt, hell even strapped to your leg as long as it's outside of clothing. No boot knives or tucking inside waistband, say at the small of your back for example. A neck knife is ok too as long as it's on the outside. However we also have a lot of paranoid people too...just easier to have a deep carry with a darker and or non reflective finish.
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Actually, you can carry it concealed...because it's not a weapon. :)
That's why Calgary can have a municipal by-law requiring you to carry it concealed; if it's visible, you get a fine.
•No person shall carry a knife that is visible in a public place.
http://www.calgary.ca/CSPS/ABS/Pages/Bylaws-by-topic/Public-behaviour.aspx

They can do that because a knife is not automatically classified as a weapon, and there's no law against concealed carry of tools. ;)
 
I've been carrying knives daily for about four years now and not one person that I didn't know has ever cared that I had a knife on me. And if one day someone says something I'm not going to care because I'm not breaking any laws or hurting anyone.
 
hunterjrg said:
I personally don't want any extra attention towards my knife.
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This, exactly. Same reason I don't have skull patches and dangly man-jewelry and paracord all over my Man Sack. Powernoodle rides totally incognito, below the radar, and then strikes like a deadly viper. After you reach a certain age, it becomes more fun to be invisible rather than the center of attention. A well concealed knife is part of that. JMO.
 
In my normal EDC carry while wearing jeans, I don't worry about how much knife sticks up. With dress slacks there might be some advantage for a deep carry clip.

I have 2 knives in my EDC rotation that have factory deep carry clips. I find that they are harder for me to deploy. If I'm not careful and I squeeze on the clip, it increases friction with my pocket and makes the knife harder to pull out. If I put the tip of my index finger on the point at the end of the clip and try to pull up on it that way, sometimes my finger will slip off.
 
Anyone notices the clip on your pocket and they know that you have a knife. My experience is that people really don't care unless its legal or a soccer mom.
I just have it flopping around in the bottom of my pocket until if find myself needing to use the knife then it'll get clipped on.
 
Different carry options for different folks. On some knives I love deep carry clips, on others they would feel very wrong. Personally, I find IWB carry to be really uncomfortable, but nothing wrong with it if it works for you.
 
stabman said:
Actually, you can carry it concealed...because it's not a weapon. :)
That's why Calgary can have a municipal by-law requiring you to carry it concealed; if it's visible, you get a fine.
•No person shall carry a knife that is visible in a public place.
http://www.calgary.ca/CSPS/ABS/Pages/Bylaws-by-topic/Public-behaviour.aspx

They can do that because a knife is not automatically classified as a weapon, and there's no law against concealed carry of tools. ;)
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Not sure where they draw the line and automatically classify a weapon. I know that if a cop finds a knife on me in Ontario and it's concealed, it's more of an issue than if it wasn't. I don't want to hijack this thread or debate this but...

"90. (1) Every person commits an offence who carries a weapon, a prohibited device or any prohibited ammunition concealed, unless the person is authorized under the Firearms Act to carry it concealed."

Source: http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/page-44.html

And additionally there is the law specifically to prohibited knives...

"prohibited weapon” means

(a) a knife that has a blade that opens automatically by gravity or centrifugal force or by hand pressure applied to a button, spring or other device in or attached to the handle of the knife, or
(b) any weapon, other than a firearm, that is prescribed to be a prohibited weapon"

Source: http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/page-42.html?texthighlight=knife#s-84

Now I understand that unless the knife is one listed above it is a tool, but that can be left to a cop's discretion and I know a of a few that can give you a bit of a hard time, especially if they think you are hiding a knife. I would prefer to keep things out in the open and explain the knife attached to the clip is a tool as opposed to them finding it and then having to explain the knife I am "hiding" is a tool.

I never knew about the bylaw in Calgary. It's pretty interesting. How would you go about concealing something like a Junglas or machete though? Would you be fined when one is found sheathed on your side? Also, what happens when you pull out any knife to use it? At that point it's no longer concealed...
 
Mayenard said:
Not sure where they draw the line and automatically classify a weapon. I know that if a cop finds a knife on me in Ontario and it's concealed, it's more of an issue than if it wasn't. I don't want to hijack this thread or debate this but...

"90. (1) Every person commits an offence who carries a weapon, a prohibited device or any prohibited ammunition concealed, unless the person is authorized under the Firearms Act to carry it concealed."

Source: http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/page-44.html

And additionally there is the law specifically to prohibited knives...

"prohibited weapon” means

(a) a knife that has a blade that opens automatically by gravity or centrifugal force or by hand pressure applied to a button, spring or other device in or attached to the handle of the knife, or
(b) any weapon, other than a firearm, that is prescribed to be a prohibited weapon"

Source: http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/page-42.html?texthighlight=knife#s-84

Now I understand that unless the knife is one listed above it is a tool, but that can be left to a cop's discretion and I know a of a few that can give you a bit of a hard time, especially if they think you are hiding a knife. I would prefer to keep things out in the open and explain the knife attached to the clip is a tool as opposed to them finding it and then having to explain the knife I am "hiding" is a tool.

I never knew about the bylaw in Calgary. It's pretty interesting. How would you go about concealing something like a Junglas or machete though? Would you be fined when one is found sheathed on your side? Also, what happens when you pull out any knife to use it? At that point it's no longer concealed...
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If you're using it, you're using it; concealment is about carrying.
When in use, the type of use is what matters...if used for legal, normal things, it's fine. :)

Sure, there are some cops who try to use the fact of concealed carry as intent to use for weapons use, but that sort of cop is probably just going to give you a hard time anyway. And if they don't see it, they're less likely to know it's there to give you a hard time about.

As for carrying a Junglas or machete while walking through town, just don't; I can't think of many ways to convince anyone that it's for use as a tool in the city. :eek:
Although I have been on the bus with a Junglas in my backpack when on the way to a wooded area...but then it's being carried for a lawful purpose, so it's fine (going to the woods). But I wouldn't have pulled it out to cut a sandwich at Subway with it. ;)
 
Deep carry clips are the new Tanto.

For me, they place my hand too far back on the knife to deploy the blade without repositioning everything. I prefer being able to reach into my pocket, and pull out the tool with my hand right where it needs to be.


As for the obsessive mystical ability they have to make a knife invisible, anyone familiar will automatically think "knife" as soon as they see a clip anyway. Most of the rest wont even notice either way. In certain legal scenarios, they can unfortunately qualify as a deliberate attempt to conceal what would have been considered a "visible" knife before.
 
stabman said:
If you're using it, you're using it; concealment is about carrying.
As for carrying a Junglas or machete while walking through town, just don't; I can't think of many ways to convince anyone that it's for use as a tool in the city. :eek:
Although I have been on the bus with a Junglas in my backpack when on the way to a wooded area...but then it's being carried for a lawful purpose, so it's fine (going to the woods). But I wouldn't have pulled it out to cut a sandwich at Subway with it. ;)
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Good point. Maybe i'll stop stop strapping the Junglas to my leg when I head to WalMart now. :p
 
Jamesh Bond said:
As for the obsessive mystical ability they have to make a knife invisible, anyone familiar will automatically think "knife" as soon as they see a clip anyway. Most of the rest wont even notice either way. In certain legal scenarios, they can unfortunately qualify as a deliberate attempt to conceal what would have been considered a "visible" knife before.
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Lately whenever I see a pocket clip, it's on a case for a phone...more people carry phones than knives.

As for a clip showing intent to conceal, all the cops around here agree that it does the exact opposite. They can see that something is there...although often it'll turn out to be a phone. ;)

Mayenard said:
Good point. Maybe i'll stop stop strapping the Junglas to my leg when I head to WalMart now. :p
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Hah, I needed that laugh. :D
 
I actually prefer the deep-carry clip and find it easier to get a gip on (e.g. specifically Spyderco Delica vs. Benchmade DeJaVoo).
 
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