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Defense situation
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Al my guns have to be in a very very safe SAFE :barf:
( Children in the house so it is better this way :thumbup: )
So this one will my only protection for the first minute:
OAL ~ 17"
Otherwise i have full respect to the
Fighting Leatherman Micra
Vampire Gerbil showed at his HP - -
couldnt find the link, maybe someone could help here?
( Children in the house so it is better this way :thumbup: )
So this one will my only protection for the first minute:
OAL ~ 17"
Otherwise i have full respect to the
Fighting Leatherman Micra
Vampire Gerbil showed at his HP - -
couldnt find the link, maybe someone could help here?
Jeez.... 'my' intruder wouldn't get far at all....lots of large blades seem to be stashed about so the likeliest would be a Bowie-ish thang or one of several swords (no wall-hangers). IF they get past my fiendishly friendly dog who, though he has no clue what 'sic em', 'attack!' or 'kill!' mean, will get underfoot long enough for me to make puddles of any of their bodily fluids.
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easy.. samurai sword.
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My first choice would be my Camillus Fisk Southwest Bowie. It's quick in the hand, has effective dual guards, and 11" of very sharp blade. I keep it next to my usual chair in the living room.
My second choice hangs from the nightstand next to my bed. It's the Paragon version of the Larry Harley Battle Bowie. The 8-1/2" blade is one of the scariest-looking recurve clip-points I've ever seen, but it handles well and it really cuts.
Of course, I'd need a pretty strong reason to grab a knife instead of my 12-gauge 870.
--Bob Q
My second choice hangs from the nightstand next to my bed. It's the Paragon version of the Larry Harley Battle Bowie. The 8-1/2" blade is one of the scariest-looking recurve clip-points I've ever seen, but it handles well and it really cuts.
Of course, I'd need a pretty strong reason to grab a knife instead of my 12-gauge 870.
--Bob Q
karambits, don't even have to think about it. Although they are the crappy vtech models. Honestly, I hate carrying around a product that has the same name as a honda civic motor, that's just pitiful. But yes, they'd get the karambits or the hanwei practical.
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VG's home page went away when he changed his isp. Sorrybigbore.45 said:
I wondered why you seemed to all be going for slashing and chopping knives in a close quarter situation? Then I remembered that the rooms in America are huge 
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I'd send the wife to see what he was was wearing,
heavy thick clothing- Gerber MK11 survival, T-shirt- Cold Steel master tanto.....
Better to be judged by 12, than carried by 6.......
.I'd send the wife to see what he was was wearing,
heavy thick clothing- Gerber MK11 survival, T-shirt- Cold Steel master tanto.....Better to be judged by 12, than carried by 6.......
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Of the ones posted so far, I'd choose the civvie and the southwest OVB. The civvie is just nasty (if you do a search there's an interesting SD story on here where a civvie was used).
The Southwest OVB's is just one of my faves. Really fast, and a monster to behold.
My personal fave: my custom Bagwell Hell's Belles, lefty/righty combo, when I get them from Bill at the end of the month.
The Southwest OVB's is just one of my faves. Really fast, and a monster to behold.
My personal fave: my custom Bagwell Hell's Belles, lefty/righty combo, when I get them from Bill at the end of the month.
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Thanks for the opportunity for this to be my first post. I love these hypothetical tactical problems and believe that they are good for us.
I think we all agree that a knife, in general, would be a poor choice against a determined home invader armed with a hammer or a crowbar. A firearm, a short spear, or a short thrusting sword would all be more effective in that enviroment.
But, sometimes, a knife might be all that's available.
Of the knives I currently own, I'd choose my Michael Tinker custom Scottish dirk. 14" of thrusting anti-home invader goodness. While still a knife, this probably gives me the reach over the invader, and provides plently of penetration without being unwieldy indoors. A big mag-lite in the other hand for blocks, smashes, and target id. I prefer my surefire ED2 with the LED head for patrol, but it doesn't block hammer blows like a mag-lite.
The temptation to use a cheaper knife is there, because the knife you use in this situation is going to be in a evidence locker for a while and none of us want our best blades going away in a patrol car. It's a lot easier to lose a Cold Steel second to the DA's office than a custom artifact. But it's your family's life on the line. A cheaper blade will almost certainly do, but why risk it? What better use for an expensive weapon than the real world defense of your home?
Having seen the real world effects of serious knife wounds on home furnishings many times, I would also avoid any edge attacks with the big slashers/choppers, if possible
Blood is going to go everywhere from those sorts of wounds, creating a hazmat situation in your home. This might traumatize some family members, and will certainly traumatize your bank account in terms of clean up. Given no choice, chop the bad guy's head off with your golok and clean up be damned, but a self sealing puncture to the aorta or the spinal cord will be...neater. Neater matters afterward if it's your carpet. Also looks better in the crime scene photos.
Note that I'm not disregarding the clean nature of a whack to the temple, throat, or head from the spine of a HI or a good bowie. It's just harder to do in a dynamic situation and often involves an odd grip that might make you drop the weapon at a very poor moment.
I do see the wisdom of using a kitchen knife. Big, handy, and looks great to the jury when the invader's family sues you in federal court for violating his civil rights by attacking him in your home with your evil assault sebenza. You just grabbed your handy chef's knife.
I posed this question to my wife, who said that she would use her leatherman micra. She chooses to throw it at the bad guy in a cast iron pot of boiling water. Ouch!
Take Care,
Jeff
I think we all agree that a knife, in general, would be a poor choice against a determined home invader armed with a hammer or a crowbar. A firearm, a short spear, or a short thrusting sword would all be more effective in that enviroment.
But, sometimes, a knife might be all that's available.
Of the knives I currently own, I'd choose my Michael Tinker custom Scottish dirk. 14" of thrusting anti-home invader goodness. While still a knife, this probably gives me the reach over the invader, and provides plently of penetration without being unwieldy indoors. A big mag-lite in the other hand for blocks, smashes, and target id. I prefer my surefire ED2 with the LED head for patrol, but it doesn't block hammer blows like a mag-lite.
The temptation to use a cheaper knife is there, because the knife you use in this situation is going to be in a evidence locker for a while and none of us want our best blades going away in a patrol car. It's a lot easier to lose a Cold Steel second to the DA's office than a custom artifact. But it's your family's life on the line. A cheaper blade will almost certainly do, but why risk it? What better use for an expensive weapon than the real world defense of your home?
Having seen the real world effects of serious knife wounds on home furnishings many times, I would also avoid any edge attacks with the big slashers/choppers, if possible
Blood is going to go everywhere from those sorts of wounds, creating a hazmat situation in your home. This might traumatize some family members, and will certainly traumatize your bank account in terms of clean up. Given no choice, chop the bad guy's head off with your golok and clean up be damned, but a self sealing puncture to the aorta or the spinal cord will be...neater. Neater matters afterward if it's your carpet. Also looks better in the crime scene photos.
Note that I'm not disregarding the clean nature of a whack to the temple, throat, or head from the spine of a HI or a good bowie. It's just harder to do in a dynamic situation and often involves an odd grip that might make you drop the weapon at a very poor moment.
I do see the wisdom of using a kitchen knife. Big, handy, and looks great to the jury when the invader's family sues you in federal court for violating his civil rights by attacking him in your home with your evil assault sebenza. You just grabbed your handy chef's knife.
I posed this question to my wife, who said that she would use her leatherman micra. She chooses to throw it at the bad guy in a cast iron pot of boiling water. Ouch!
Take Care,
Jeff
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gallowglass said:
I'd probably say a cheaper one is better if given the choice because it's really not any worse in this sort of situation than an expensive one. I'm sure the invader wouldn't rather be stabbed with a Cold Steel Recon Tanto as opposed to your custom dirk. I doubt he'd debate tempering processes, heat treatment, and steel type with you as it's sticking out of him. Plus nobody cares about a Recon Tanto, while if that dirk gets stuck in a police evidence locker (With blood still on it, imagine what that would do to your custom blade! I would be pissed!) you might never even see it again.
Gallowglass said:
LMAO. I bet your wife would be right at home in a British castle, doing nasty things with boiling oil from fifty feet over your Irish mercenary head!
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Rat Finkenstein said:This 20" HI movie model I picked up a while ago:
Cool! Nice pic!
OK, I'll play. I'd also use a Kukri. A HI Ang Kola kukri. I have a 15" but that'll do.
My 2nd choice would be my SOG Seal 2000.
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hmmmmm . . . well currently, I'd go with the 15" shortsword above my desk.
In my ideal world, I'd say a 12 guage w/18" barrel loaded with beanbag or rubber rounds. The great thing about these is that not only do they completely knock someone out of commision, when they're fired, they sound like normal shells so the intruder actually thinks they got hit with buckshot . . . which is demoralizing to say the least. Sure less lethal can be deadly if you accidently get a head shot, but judges/DA's/juries look at the case in a much better light if you're able to say that you only wanted to stop and detain them until the police arrive, which is really what you'd want to do anyways, and you can't say that with buckshot. If blades only, (and I had one) I'd probably go with a katana.
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In my ideal world, I'd say a 12 guage w/18" barrel loaded with beanbag or rubber rounds. The great thing about these is that not only do they completely knock someone out of commision, when they're fired, they sound like normal shells so the intruder actually thinks they got hit with buckshot . . . which is demoralizing to say the least. Sure less lethal can be deadly if you accidently get a head shot, but judges/DA's/juries look at the case in a much better light if you're able to say that you only wanted to stop and detain them until the police arrive, which is really what you'd want to do anyways, and you can't say that with buckshot. If blades only, (and I had one) I'd probably go with a katana.
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Gallowglass,
Your reply on this thread is really interesting, I cannot believe that you would be that concerned about an expensive knife or furniture in the case that you had to stab someone in your home. Also, this statement is almost scary, do you really think this deeply about stuff like this?
Your reply on this thread is really interesting, I cannot believe that you would be that concerned about an expensive knife or furniture in the case that you had to stab someone in your home. Also, this statement is almost scary, do you really think this deeply about stuff like this?
Thanks, Steve
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I'm not concerned about the knife, the carpet, or the furniture.
I'm concerned about bloodborne pathogens from a literal bloodbath. I'm concerned about childern suffering from nightmares and delayed stress reactions. I'm concerned about a federal civil court jury being manipulated by a contigency paid Armani clad lawyer.
If you are not, then :
a) You have never been through a blood borne pathogen class after being coated head to toe in someone else's blood (close gsw to the heart)
b) You have never interviewed a child witness to a homicide.
c) You have never been sued by a bad guy for being a good guy.
If you wish to win, plan to win through the end game. Develop HIV or HEP-C from the incident, you lose. Your kid goes into a residential treatment program because she pees at every loud noise now, you lose. The house, the job, and the wife become dust in the wind because you get branded a murderer, you lose.
Win at any nessacary cost, but keep that cost as low at possible. Can weapon choice reduce that cost ? Obviously.
Thinking too deeply about these issues? We are discussing human life, particularly the lives of you and your family. What else is the point of such speculation if it's not serious? I don't kill or plan to do so casually. Maybe you do, West Florida. Which is more disturbing, my deep thought or your casualness?
Reference the knife used, as I said, a cheaper knife will almost certainly do...a brick would almost certainly do...but it's the most critical use of a knife I can readily imagine. If I have to use a knife in this situation, I want to maximize the results of that choice.
I can buy another knife if mine disappears into the evidence locker. It is just an object. I cannot buy another chance. I do think that little things like thicker steel and a better heat treat might make a difference when engaging a crow bar or hammer armed opponent. But that's just some crazy theory of mine.
Take Care,
Jeff
I'm concerned about bloodborne pathogens from a literal bloodbath. I'm concerned about childern suffering from nightmares and delayed stress reactions. I'm concerned about a federal civil court jury being manipulated by a contigency paid Armani clad lawyer.
If you are not, then :
a) You have never been through a blood borne pathogen class after being coated head to toe in someone else's blood (close gsw to the heart)
b) You have never interviewed a child witness to a homicide.
c) You have never been sued by a bad guy for being a good guy.
If you wish to win, plan to win through the end game. Develop HIV or HEP-C from the incident, you lose. Your kid goes into a residential treatment program because she pees at every loud noise now, you lose. The house, the job, and the wife become dust in the wind because you get branded a murderer, you lose.
Win at any nessacary cost, but keep that cost as low at possible. Can weapon choice reduce that cost ? Obviously.
Thinking too deeply about these issues? We are discussing human life, particularly the lives of you and your family. What else is the point of such speculation if it's not serious? I don't kill or plan to do so casually. Maybe you do, West Florida. Which is more disturbing, my deep thought or your casualness?
Reference the knife used, as I said, a cheaper knife will almost certainly do...a brick would almost certainly do...but it's the most critical use of a knife I can readily imagine. If I have to use a knife in this situation, I want to maximize the results of that choice.
I can buy another knife if mine disappears into the evidence locker. It is just an object. I cannot buy another chance. I do think that little things like thicker steel and a better heat treat might make a difference when engaging a crow bar or hammer armed opponent. But that's just some crazy theory of mine.
Take Care,
Jeff
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That is not what you were saying in your last post?
If another person broke into your home and was attacking you with a crowbar or some other weapon, I cannot possibly imagine any civil court awarding their family any type of judgement against you.
I have actually been through numerous HiV and Hep-C classes (I worked for a treatment center right out of college) Although, they never coated me in some other person's blood.
Actually I worked for the DCF as a Case Manager and interviewed many children that were victims of abuse. I interviewed one child a few hours after he witnessed his father killing his mother.
No I have not.
I promise if someone breaks into your home and attacks you with a weapon, nobody is going to brand you as a murderer for killing them (Although I am not sure what it's like in Colorado).
No kidding.
I am not casual about this at all. I just thought it was interesting how you talked about cutting an intruders head off, that to me is disturbing.
I am not even sure what you are saying here?
Yes, you may be crazy.
Thanks, Steve