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I would use my old WWII bayonet. I have no idea what the model is or what rifle it was for. I don't have it here to measure, but I think it's about 2 feet long. Not sharp at all, but it's heavy as a brick. The tip isn't very pointy any more either, but I'll bet it would hurt like hell to get jabbed with it anyway. A good hard smack might even break a bone.
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Key of my car, or a simple kitchen fork stab in enemy throat 
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Steve,
The "expensive choice of knife" commentary was directed to madcap , who believes that you shouldn't use your best blade for such dire situations. I don't.
I'm not worried about the knife at all. It's an object. I'd parry that crowbar with the Mona Lisa to keep anyone safe from an attacker. In that same regard, I'm not concerned about my few furnishings. I'm concerned about a biohazard in my home.
I clean the blood, meth waste, and crap off my boots with a brush and bleach before coming home. I do that because the bugs and drugs in people's blood is to be avoided, quite literarly, like the plauge. I don't want to expose anyone to that cocktail, least of all my family.
A slash or hack with a knife is not going to be like a lose sharps or a wet bandage on the floor of a treatment facility. Blood's going to spray from the wound, be flung by the knife, and pool from the body. Rational weapon choice in this thankfully hypothetical scenario is right up there with the choice to wear a back up gun. I hope I don't need it, but I want the option.
As I've implied, I've been coated in the blood of a bad guy. It was scary waiting for those test results. I got soaked trying to keep him alive and put myself at risk by doing so. Won't happen again.
You're wrong about the lawsuits and the criminal charges and the media attacks against people who defend themselves and others. You may not be able to imagine it, but you are. I've witnessed it several times, read about it dozens of more times. You obviously have the ability to research this issue, a course of action which may increase your imaginative abilities concerning juries, DA's, and the third estate.
I try to form responses for emergency sitatons based on probablities rather than hope or fears. There's the strong possibility of negative legal action against the victim in this excersise. If you choose to ignore that, ok.
Do you remeber the actual emotions of that child witness or just the fact that you interviewed her? Trauma like that rips kids/untrained adults up. Bloody death scenes = emotional trauma. How can I be wrong for avoiding exposure to that kind of scene to my family?
Steve, you find it disturbing that I mention the possibility of "cutting his head off". I mentioned this to show the extreme end of a blood spill, and it's not very practical ,even with a golok, in this sitaition. But hypothetically, say I had some sort of super knife that gave me the ability to remove his head with a single clean stroke and I purposefully did so. Disturbed?
How about being disturbed by his attack on innocents with a hammer?
Save your implied condemnation for him. The hypothetical bad guy dealt his hand in this situtaion. I don't desire to hurt anyone, but if he makes me choose between risk to my family and turning the great wheel on him, I hope his soul is prepared for the ride.
I am also suprised by the people posting who would meet this threat with a folder or other small knife like object when they presumably have at least a steak knife in their kitchen. I have surely been practicing the wrong warrior arts, because, limited to a knife, I wouldn't engage a hammer or a crowbar with anything but the largest thrusting knife I could choose.
Take More Care,
Jeff
The "expensive choice of knife" commentary was directed to madcap , who believes that you shouldn't use your best blade for such dire situations. I don't.
I'm not worried about the knife at all. It's an object. I'd parry that crowbar with the Mona Lisa to keep anyone safe from an attacker. In that same regard, I'm not concerned about my few furnishings. I'm concerned about a biohazard in my home.
I clean the blood, meth waste, and crap off my boots with a brush and bleach before coming home. I do that because the bugs and drugs in people's blood is to be avoided, quite literarly, like the plauge. I don't want to expose anyone to that cocktail, least of all my family.
A slash or hack with a knife is not going to be like a lose sharps or a wet bandage on the floor of a treatment facility. Blood's going to spray from the wound, be flung by the knife, and pool from the body. Rational weapon choice in this thankfully hypothetical scenario is right up there with the choice to wear a back up gun. I hope I don't need it, but I want the option.
As I've implied, I've been coated in the blood of a bad guy. It was scary waiting for those test results. I got soaked trying to keep him alive and put myself at risk by doing so. Won't happen again.
You're wrong about the lawsuits and the criminal charges and the media attacks against people who defend themselves and others. You may not be able to imagine it, but you are. I've witnessed it several times, read about it dozens of more times. You obviously have the ability to research this issue, a course of action which may increase your imaginative abilities concerning juries, DA's, and the third estate.
I try to form responses for emergency sitatons based on probablities rather than hope or fears. There's the strong possibility of negative legal action against the victim in this excersise. If you choose to ignore that, ok.
Do you remeber the actual emotions of that child witness or just the fact that you interviewed her? Trauma like that rips kids/untrained adults up. Bloody death scenes = emotional trauma. How can I be wrong for avoiding exposure to that kind of scene to my family?
Steve, you find it disturbing that I mention the possibility of "cutting his head off". I mentioned this to show the extreme end of a blood spill, and it's not very practical ,even with a golok, in this sitaition. But hypothetically, say I had some sort of super knife that gave me the ability to remove his head with a single clean stroke and I purposefully did so. Disturbed?
How about being disturbed by his attack on innocents with a hammer?
Save your implied condemnation for him. The hypothetical bad guy dealt his hand in this situtaion. I don't desire to hurt anyone, but if he makes me choose between risk to my family and turning the great wheel on him, I hope his soul is prepared for the ride.
I am also suprised by the people posting who would meet this threat with a folder or other small knife like object when they presumably have at least a steak knife in their kitchen. I have surely been practicing the wrong warrior arts, because, limited to a knife, I wouldn't engage a hammer or a crowbar with anything but the largest thrusting knife I could choose.
Take More Care,
Jeff
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Jeff (gallowglass),
I think most everyone here agrees that a firearm is better than a knife for self-defense. This is a hypothetical scenario when you have to choose a knife to use.
I agree that a gun is less likely to expose you to blood. I'm not entirely sure it would be much less traumatic for kids to see though.
I think most everyone here agrees that a firearm is better than a knife for self-defense. This is a hypothetical scenario when you have to choose a knife to use.
I agree that a gun is less likely to expose you to blood. I'm not entirely sure it would be much less traumatic for kids to see though.
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Ryan,
Did you actually read my earlier posts in this thread? I'm clear on the conditions of the scenario.
I haven't been advocating gun over knife in violation of those conditions. I've been stating my personal preference for the thrust knives over the choppers in this situation due to mess. That's all.
How about you address all the peole who answered the scenario with firearm or sword answers with the "knife only" conditions of the scenario instead?
Eric,
I agree completely. Reach is going to be of great importance in this scenario.
-Jeff
Did you actually read my earlier posts in this thread? I'm clear on the conditions of the scenario.
I haven't been advocating gun over knife in violation of those conditions. I've been stating my personal preference for the thrust knives over the choppers in this situation due to mess. That's all.
How about you address all the peole who answered the scenario with firearm or sword answers with the "knife only" conditions of the scenario instead?
Eric,
I agree completely. Reach is going to be of great importance in this scenario.
-Jeff
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gallowglass said:
Ok, I understand now.
And realistically, I think thrusting with a knife (or in my case a bayonet) would be a better idea than chopping. There is the issue of control. With a hard swing with something like a sword or a machete, you may not be able to get a quick follow up. In fact it may create an opening for an attacker. A quick thrust would allow for a reasonably fast response on your part if you miss or it otherwise fails to stop the attack.
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Ryan,
I think any of the older style long bayonets would be excellent choices for this situation. I would have picked one as my answer, but I don't own one anymore.
A bayonet certainly isn't going to break, they are very stabby, and the weight is going to making them formidable impact weapons even if the edge is non-existant.
They would also look good in court when presented as "historical mementos" of man's struggle against tyranny that you just happened to have handy.
Take Care,
Jeff
I think any of the older style long bayonets would be excellent choices for this situation. I would have picked one as my answer, but I don't own one anymore.
A bayonet certainly isn't going to break, they are very stabby, and the weight is going to making them formidable impact weapons even if the edge is non-existant.
They would also look good in court when presented as "historical mementos" of man's struggle against tyranny that you just happened to have handy.
Take Care,
Jeff
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If I cant get to my gun I sure cant get to one of my EDC knives, sorry but I have to wind down sometime. I am not a believer of stashing guns and knives all over the house where anyone who breaks in when your not home can find them. Wouldnt that be fun, come home when a guy is robbing you house and he shoots or stabs you with you knife. If someone breaks into my house with or without any kind of weapon, I am going to do whatever it takes to subdue and or kill the intruder. If I can hold up in the bedroom with the girlfriend and a cell phone fine, Ill do that. If not its on with whatever I can grab and if I live then I will worry about all the other stuff.
I have a Cold Steel Bush Ranger that just doesn't feel right for fighting. So I'm currently selling it on consignment at a local military store. I will be replacing it with a new SOG Gov-Tac. Until then, I'll use my trusty Gerber Mark I dagger. 5" of cold, double edge 440A stainless steel should do the trick. :thumbup:
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and who are the cops going to believe. You with a knife is not going to look to look .....real good for you...