designing our own pattern?

That stewart is amazing. I'd really love to be able to buy an american made racing axe head, perfectly machined out of some killer steel, but I don't think I could afford it :cool:
 
Park Swan said:
That stewart is amazing. I'd really love to be able to buy an american made racing axe head, perfectly machined out of some killer steel, but I don't think I could afford it :cool:
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Yeah, an affordable American made racing ax/racing work ax would be awesome.
 
Woodcraft said:
Yeah, an affordable American made racing ax/racing work ax would be awesome.
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I really wish that there were racing axes that were more affordable...I say that after I buy a Keech though...but let's ignore that :D

The only affordable racing/working axe I know of is the "China Axe" Tuatahi offers on their site. I think its for people who want to try out racing but don't want to devote a large investment in steel yet/ college teams for training. I haven't found an American racer that isn't heavy on the wallet.
 
DeadFall27 said:
I really wish that there were racing axes that were more affordable...I say that after I buy a Keech though...but let's ignore that :D

The only affordable racing/working axe I know of is the "China Axe" Tuatahi offers on their site. I think its for people who want to try out racing but don't want to devote a large investment in steel yet/ college teams for training. I haven't found an American racer that isn't heavy on the wallet.
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A couple of new American racing ax companies have popped up. One is using proprietary metal and cryo heat treatment. But will be a pretty penny:(.
I looked at that Keech a couple of times. I had some other gear to purchase. Looks like a nice ax!
 
Careful who you tell about designs, it will end up one way or another in the hands of the corporations via someone, they will get all the credit and money......
 
The rule of thumb is to never release detailed images of a design unless you're comfortable with the risk of it being ripped off. :p
 
Woodcraft said:
You make a good point.
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We can trademark it. It would be nice to keep the credit where it belongs.
It's unlikely we could sell it and make money anyway, and if someone picks up our design then we can buy it. I'm not sure there's a downside unless someone here wants to go into high-end axe production professionally.
 
daizee said:
We can trademark it. It would be nice to keep the credit where it belongs.
It's unlikely we could sell it and make money anyway, and if someone picks up our design then we can buy it. I'm not sure there's a downside unless someone here wants to go into high-end axe production professionally.
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I am not in this for the money. I am in this for an ax with proper geometry for the job it is designed to do "created" by a bunch of fools who actually like using and understanding the ax. I am still all in. He does make a good point though.
 
daizee said:
We can trademark it. It would be nice to keep the credit where it belongs.
It's unlikely we could sell it and make money anyway, and if someone picks up our design then we can buy it. I'm not sure there's a downside unless someone here wants to go into high-end axe production professionally.
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If I'm remembering correctly, about the strongest protection you could apply for would be an ornamental design patent, and with tools like axes it'd be pretty easy to circumvent. If it genuinely had a novel feature of some kind then that feature could be patented, but a design would need only minuscule alteration to sidestep the limited scope of IP law it'd fall under in this case.
 
Woodcraft said:
Yeah, an affordable American made racing ax/racing work ax would be awesome.
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well, if i could get some experience and help, if you're willing to help forge it, i'v got a couple (about 10-20) RR plates, good chunky railroad steel, i havent done it yet because i have a bit of 3/4 size track as an anvil and i dont think thats really adequate for an 11 pound lump of steel. also bring bituminous with you, anthracite alone makes an awful fire
 
phantomknives said:
well, if i could get some experience and help, if you're willing to help forge it, i'v got a couple (about 10-20) RR plates, good chunky railroad steel, i havent done it yet because i have a bit of 3/4 size track as an anvil and i dont think thats really adequate for an 11 pound lump of steel. also bring bituminous with you, anthracite alone makes an awful fire
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I am definitely not a blacksmith.
 
phantomknives said:
stock removal is amazingly easier as i found a few days ago but you cant do as much with it
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But you can still do quite a bit and your steel doesn't get messed up in the process: http://goldknifeworks.com/

The advantage of smithing is in significantly altering the shape of materials in 3D or large curves, re-using/cycling material, and leaving rustic marks everywhere. For most blades, stock removal has significant technical and complexity advantages.

I'd love to be able to forge hawks and axes, though...
 
Square_peg said:
That style is called the Ideal Ridge, brought out by American Axe & Tool. It looked like this.

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I have found that pattern under several different names. Not sure what name was first. Cool axes though.

My experience with it is it won't pop a chip as well but sticks less. Different experience same design. Lots of variables involved I would guess.
 
For those of you interested in a new racing axe in a homesteader weight, forged tool steel, you can use in regular wood without a demential price, take a look to Jauregi axes. Those of you who live in western Europe you can purchase them in a bit more expensive price than the new H&B american felling axe, contact him directly, you can ask him the grinding or degrees you want without aditional charge.

http://www.hachasartesanas.com/

For those of you who don't live there Lamnia is your option, prices are higher and you only have the grinding the seller agreed with the maker.

https://www.lamnia.com/es/sc/134/herramientas/hachas-y-hachuelas?mid=505

BBG has plenty experience with them,

[video=youtube;uT1D9f0kQBU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uT1D9f0kQBU&t=85s[/video]
 
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