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Jino...I am 6 months into my Busse journey (and now broke...lol). I have scored 11 Busses to date and still want more...you picked my favorite chopper to start your journey. Congrats!
 
That was a very good review! Wish I didn't read it... makes me want more!

Ugh, I'm sure you guys might feel me on this, but do you know how hard it is to resist the urge to go out and chop with my mistress?
I'm desperate for another nmfbm so I can do so!
Not a lot in the buy sell thread. Specially with my preference of satin finish only. :(

I'm watching it like a starving hawk lol
 
Isn't the point of a mistress to have a partner in crime? :D
 
AZTimT said:
Gaston, you seem to be the only one who wants to talk numbers in a thread not about that topic. Plain and simple you don't buy a big Busse simply because you want a knife. You buy one because it is a multipurpose tool that can cut, chop, pry, dig, hammer, split, stab, slice, shave, drill, notch, featherstick, open cans, bust brick/concrete and about anything else you can think of while not worrying about it failing you when you need it most. If you don't comprehend that there not much more we can do for you. :confused: The NMFBM is a big 2 lb plus chopper that can do all of that, in this case it just might need a quick stropping to get it shaving sharp.
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I have absolutely no clue what does stropping and "shaving sharp" have to do with any kind of cutting performance... All I see online are 28 ounces Battle Mistresses getting their asses handed to them by 17 ounces SMIII Trailmasters, from at least two separate sources... Show me one video where the reverse happens... This tells me, from experiences with other dull knives, that even if I spent three months halving the edge geometry by hand, it would barely match the TM (which is itself completely wasting its potential with its ridiculous convex edge: Mind you, this might still be better than the V-edge if the V-edge is thicker)...

AZTimT said:
If you had ever used a Busse you would know just how quick and easy that can be.

I would love to see start your own thread to share your experiences once you chop wood with a custom hollow ground battle mistress
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A hollow grind topped with a thin V-edge would indeed be a good thing performance-wise: I am glad we agree on that... Are you saying getting a "custom hollow ground battle mistress" is an easy fix? My professional sharpener usually won't even touch refinishing hollow grinds, and you are talking about creating one out of a single giant flat grind? That is like creating a entirely new knife out of a blank stock, not to mention the tempering issues from the grinding... That hardly sounds as "quick and easy"...

AZTimT said:
In the typical bigger sized offerings they are beautiful thick sharpened prybars that people can and do depend on with their lives, that's what they want because it is what they like.
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I guess people sometimes want things that simply don't work... Like convex edges and convex grinds...

Gaston
 
Sigarett said:
Gaston444,
In my experience, too thin of an edge won't hold up to serious abuse and in my opinion is part of the Busse logic behind some of their blades. Having said that, infi with a thin blade will certainly hold up better than other steels.
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Then if you want to demonstrate how tough the steel is, how come the edge thickness is never mentionned? What does edge toughness demonstrate if you don't even know what edge we are talking about?

I' ve actually used a Randall Model 14 in an actual emergency, and it had a 10° per side V-edge that was 0.020" thick at the base: It was used to dismantle nailed pressure-treated wood planking two inches thick, using the edge and point for digging, and the edge as a lever... It did suffer a very small amount of lateral deformation, but the idea you would need more than a 0.030" thick edge at more than 12° per side seems pretty ludicrous to me... Sadly, almost all fixed blade knives are way over that...

Sigarett said:
Also, in my opinion, these knives aren't just made to chop wood...chop a car or whatever you want and you will have impressive results.
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This sounds downright Mall Ninja-ish to me...

Sigarett said:
Bottom line is, if you thought you were going to going to come on the Busse forum and doo doo these blades and find acceptance you were incredibly wrong.

I'd buy a Busse and come back and talk smack at that time after some use. Maybe your opinion will change or maybe it won't but it's tough for it to carry much weight until that time.
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I don't care much for the acceptance of people who think convex edges are inherently sharper... That is, people who can't even accept the rules of basic geometry... What I was hoping for, given how the OP described what he paid for, was some useable figures that are very easy to get... Some edge thickness figures that are actually relevant to performance you know... Then I would actually be able to pick a model that is thin-edged enough to offer some performance, while still having a thick 1/4" spine, as I'm sure some of them are actually ground that way (or at least they might, if I actually knew both spine and edge figures)...

Gaston
 
Gaston444 said:
I have absolutely no clue what does stropping and "shaving sharp" have to do with any kind of cutting performance... OBVIOUSLY! :rolleyes:All I see online are 28 ounces Battle Mistresses getting their asses handed to them by 17 ounces SMIII Trailmasters, from at least two separate sources... Show me one video where the reverse happens... This tells me, from experiences with other dull knives, that even if I spent three months halving the edge geometry by hand, it would barely match the TM (which is itself completely wasting its potential with its ridiculous convex edge: Mind you, this might still be better than the V-edge if the V-edge is thicker)...



A hollow grind topped with a thin V-edge would indeed be a good thing performance-wise: I am glad we agree on that... Are you saying getting a "custom hollow ground battle mistress" is an easy fix? My professional sharpener usually won't even touch refinishing hollow grinds, and you are talking about creating one out of a single giant flat grind? That is like creating a entirely new knife out of a blank stock, not to mention the tempering issues from the grinding... That hardly sounds as "quick and easy"...

No, rather than over complicate things that way you could order one here: http://www.bussecustomshop.com

I guess people sometimes want things that simply don't work... Like convex edges and convex grinds... Yes, like asking you to follow the rules... see below

Gaston
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This place is supposed to be fun, courteous and respectful. Thankfully I'm not a mod and have no wish to ever be one. So, the friendliest advice I can give you before you drop yet another deuce in this forum (edit: too late :( ) is you really might want to read this tidbit and act accordingly:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...BEFORE-quot-Posting-On-The-Busse-Combat-Forum

I apologize Jino. This forum is not usually like this... you did mention Beauty & the Beast, was that because Gaston appeared true to character? :p
 
Hahah it's ok!
I don't mind people discussing their opinions on knives, that's what a forum is for.
It will not sway my decision in knives whatsoever.

Even if the trail master chops better, I'm not a wood chopping professional, i chop for fun, and when I do, i want to LIKE the knife.
Not a fan of the trail master after handling a few.
The fit and finish of my NMFBM is superb, trail master doesn't even come close.
 
I'm not sure why, seems busse blocked my emails permanently...

Did I piss em off somehow? All I asked if their ashbm had rounded edges...
 
I don't think they would have blocked you. Must be something else going on with the emails.
 
Oh,I have to say that I love convex grinds. Every convex edge I have ever had seemed sharper than V grinds and resharpen with ease. That is not just Busse but ever brand I have had. I will say that the V grinds on the old CRK one piece line and the Green Beret were impressive.
 
I'm the same, any knife I get, i usually convex right away.

@&$#$, soooo tempted to sharpen this nmfbm, but it must stay mint... it must....

Someone sell me another one!!
Satin nmfbm or satin nmfsh
 
Be careful though, as you may like nmfsh even more. That what happened to me :D I love it and do use it.
 
Gaston444 said:
I have absolutely no clue what does stropping and "shaving sharp" have to do with any kind of cutting performance... All I see online are 28 ounces Battle Mistresses getting their asses handed to them by 17 ounces SMIII Trailmasters, from at least two separate sources... Show me one video where the reverse happens... This tells me, from experiences with other dull knives, that even if I spent three months halving the edge geometry by hand, it would barely match the TM (which is itself completely wasting its potential with its ridiculous convex edge: Mind you, this might still be better than the V-edge if the V-edge is thicker)...



A hollow grind topped with a thin V-edge would indeed be a good thing performance-wise: I am glad we agree on that... Are you saying getting a "custom hollow ground battle mistress" is an easy fix? My professional sharpener usually won't even touch refinishing hollow grinds, and you are talking about creating one out of a single giant flat grind? That is like creating a entirely new knife out of a blank stock, not to mention the tempering issues from the grinding... That hardly sounds as "quick and easy"...



I guess people sometimes want things that simply don't work... Like convex edges and convex grinds...

Gaston
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Not sure what proof you are referring to. You certainly are more of an expert than I am. At least you use more jargon than I do (however I am perplexed about the professional sharpener comment). I am fairly new to Busse, but I have seeing enough video and witness some usage from a local LEO that tells me that Busse knife are well made and the steel is tough and very forgiving when it comes to sharpening. I am sure that you have experiences with other brands that are less expensive but get the job done to your satisfaction. You should check some of the videos in the sticky section.

I am more comfortable with the V-edge because I have more years sharpening that type. I can see how for heavy chopping the convex edge will hold longer. Me I am more of a slicer so the V-edge works for me. There is video around this site of frozen wood that would probably roll a V-edge with less steel behind the edge. I have that happened to me in an Idaho hunt a few years ago processing some wood when we lost the camp axe. I was using a large Randal Bowie. It did the job but it rolled the edge some.

I do not believe that Busse and Infi is the only knife and steel combo that can perform well. But I am sure that on average (any factory can have a lemon) I am confident that I will get a great knife that will perform whatever reasonable task I require of it with a fantastic warranty. One thing in all of your post that you do not seem to have used a Busse knifes before so I can not understand how you can cast a definite opinion. Good luck with your cold steel knives.
 
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