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Though you do see BMs that perform well on wood, I just wonder how many of these do this out of the box...

Here are a few comments I've seen for OOB Busse, below a youtube video titled : "Busse NMFBM: Performance as received": Pathetic... This is why I am hesitant to lay down a penny for these: I just know too well what it's like to beat sharpness into a thick lump of steel, and I hate sending knives for professional re-profiling: If they can't do the work off the bat, they don't deserve my money, and especially not that kind of money...:

Quote: Steven “Shooter11b” Szabo 10 months ago
I had the exact same experience with my first NMFBM (try an LE version, WAY better). Most big, modern Busse's have shite for edges from the factory, which is scandalous for the price they charge IMHO. I ended up sending it to Brian Breeden who convexed it for me. It's a freaking light saber now.

Quote: Borderline5440 1 year ago
I'd say your experience with a dull factory edge is not unusual. My family and I have bought more than a few Bussekin knives new and they had functional edges, but not anything anyone would call "sharp." Ok (sort of) for anything that didn't require slicing. They've always needed re-profiling to actually become sharp and the factory edge seemed pretty conservative (30+ degrees in most cases) and we've gotten more than a few with wire edges. Good knives, crap factory edges.

I'll tell you right off, I'm not spending four months, and $200 in several extra-Coarse Dia Sharp diamond hones, thinning down and re-profiling a 60° inclusive edge... I've had enough of that with my Neeley SA9, which at least is worth the effort...

I'm sure they can be made into great chopping knives, as simple physics would require, but at two inches width and 28 plus ounces, and Trailmasters beating this by some margin at 17 ounces when the Busse is out of the box dull, I just wonder how efficient this all adds up to be, counting in the lack of sheath and dull factory edges... You either care about your customers or you don't...

Gaston
 
Gaston, what you are speaking to has everything to do with edge geometry. Busse edge geometry on a knife the size of the Battle Mistress is generally set up to tolerate the most abuse you could possibly throw at it, which equates to thick steel directly behind the edge and an obtuse terminating angle. The Trail Master would almost undoubtedly have significantly thinner steel behind the edge. This is a two sided coin though, as the thinner you make the edge it become less suitable for extremely hard use/abuse.
 
Yeah my new jungle storm nmfbm is also very dull.

It's funny, in my experience, the more expensive the knife I buy, the more dull it is!

Spyderco are relatively cheap, but far sharper than my chris reeve knives which cost more, and busse which costs even more, are even more dull.

Luckily us knife guys can sharpen, but perhaps they should have different edges on their knives, like the coated ones should be dull and the satins should have much thinner edges.

My yellow will have a 20 dps edge, for chopping and batoning, while my jungle storm will have a 10 dps, kept under my pillow.
 
Gaston444 said:
Though you do see BMs that perform well on wood, I just wonder how many of these do this out of the box...

Here are a few comments I've seen for OOB Busse, below a youtube video titled : "Busse NMFBM: Performance as received": Pathetic... This is why I am hesitant to lay down a penny for these: I just know too well what it's like to beat sharpness into a thick lump of steel, and I hate sending knives for professional re-profiling: If they can't do the work off the bat, they don't deserve my money, and especially not that kind of money...:

Quote: Steven “Shooter11b” Szabo 10 months ago
I had the exact same experience with my first NMFBM (try an LE version, WAY better). Most big, modern Busse's have shite for edges from the factory, which is scandalous for the price they charge IMHO. I ended up sending it to Brian Breeden who convexed it for me. It's a freaking light saber now.

Quote: Borderline5440 1 year ago
I'd say your experience with a dull factory edge is not unusual. My family and I have bought more than a few Bussekin knives new and they had functional edges, but not anything anyone would call "sharp." Ok (sort of) for anything that didn't require slicing. They've always needed re-profiling to actually become sharp and the factory edge seemed pretty conservative (30+ degrees in most cases) and we've gotten more than a few with wire edges. Good knives, crap factory edges.

I'll tell you right off, I'm not spending four months, and $200 in several extra-Coarse Dia Sharp diamond hones, thinning down and re-profiling a 60° inclusive edge... I've had enough of that with my Neeley SA9, which at least is worth the effort...

I'm sure they can be made into great chopping knives, as simple physics would require, but at two inches width and 28 plus ounces, and Trailmasters beating this by some margin at 17 ounces when the Busse is out of the box dull, I just wonder how efficient this all adds up to be, counting in the lack of sheath and dull factory edges... You either care about your customers or you don't...

Gaston
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I think your opinion is better left to other people other places....

I find your vendetta against Busse very distasteful. If you don't like them fine, that is your right. I don't however feel like you need to write a novella about what you found on the internet about that which you don't know Crap about..... Spend some money then bitch, if not then KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT...

I don't wish to hear your garbage spew around this thread or forum anymore.

I have always held to one truth, if I don't know first hand then I don't know... You would do well to take this advice and learn from it.

Go buy some cheap steel and blab your piss somewhere else. Bla bla bla edge geometry, bla bla bla I know what I'm talking about, bla bla bla.

Personal Opinions and hearsay are two different things. Please learn the difference
 
breavis5694 said:
Personal Opinions and hearsay are two different things. Please learn the difference
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While there is a difference between the two and I would also agree that Gaston's approach to this is a bit on the abrasive side ;) ;) …. I don't really believe that those comments he cited are that far off base, IMO.

Most if not all of Busse & Kin from the factory I have received came with visible wire edges and extremely obtuse edge angles that don't penetrate very well on seasoned hardwoods. Is this a problem for me personally? Not really too big of a deal as I know how to regrind them to better suit my uses/preferences. Is this often time consuming? Yes, but it is my hobby and I find it relaxing and enjoyable tinkering with tools.

For many however this is indeed a big deal as they either don't know how to tweak edges, can't be bothered or aren't willing to send it away & spend even more money on having it modded a bit. I can certainly understand this as it is a bit inconvenient especially when many folks come here and read positive review here about performance and then actually use them and find that as they arrive they are not something they'd get much mileage out of.

You cannot please everybody with anything, so it is inevitable to get a fair amount of criticism's for things such as these where a compromise must be made across the board that will be satisfactory for most users. I have to say I do not envy the Busse's in their position of having to not only fully warrant their product but also deal with all the criticism and often unfair/unrealistic claims about their knives. Nothing is perfect, everything has it's tradeoff's and compromises have to be made every single day for each of us to even continue to live on this earth. YMMV as always as they say…. :)
 
Gaston444 said:
Though you do see BMs that perform well on wood, I just wonder how many of these do this out of the box...

Here are a few comments I've seen for OOB Busse, below a youtube video titled : "Busse NMFBM: Performance as received": Pathetic... This is why I am hesitant to lay down a penny for these: I just know too well what it's like to beat sharpness into a thick lump of steel, and I hate sending knives for professional re-profiling: If they can't do the work off the bat, they don't deserve my money, and especially not that kind of money...:

Quote: Steven “Shooter11b” Szabo 10 months ago
I had the exact same experience with my first NMFBM (try an LE version, WAY better). Most big, modern Busse's have shite for edges from the factory, which is scandalous for the price they charge IMHO. I ended up sending it to Brian Breeden who convexed it for me. It's a freaking light saber now.

Quote: Borderline5440 1 year ago
I'd say your experience with a dull factory edge is not unusual. My family and I have bought more than a few Bussekin knives new and they had functional edges, but not anything anyone would call "sharp." Ok (sort of) for anything that didn't require slicing. They've always needed re-profiling to actually become sharp and the factory edge seemed pretty conservative (30+ degrees in most cases) and we've gotten more than a few with wire edges. Good knives, crap factory edges.

I'll tell you right off, I'm not spending four months, and $200 in several extra-Coarse Dia Sharp diamond hones, thinning down and re-profiling a 60° inclusive edge... I've had enough of that with my Neeley SA9, which at least is worth the effort...

I'm sure they can be made into great chopping knives, as simple physics would require, but at two inches width and 28 plus ounces, and Trailmasters beating this by some margin at 17 ounces when the Busse is out of the box dull, I just wonder how efficient this all adds up to be, counting in the lack of sheath and dull factory edges... You either care about your customers or you don't...

Gaston
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No current LE model is dull. The Busse LE's come with edges almost as sharp as CS with ten times better steel and better heat treat. I can post half a dozen pictures of broken CS knives due to poor HT and design. I have seen some current CG models with obtuse edges, but before you receive your knife you can ask for a thinner edge. Busse will do that per request.
 
Cobalt said:
No current LE model is dull. The Busse LE's come with edges almost as sharp as CS with ten times better steel and better heat treat. I can post half a dozen pictures of broken CS knives due to poor HT and design. I have seen some current CG models with obtuse edges, but before you receive your knife you can ask for a thinner edge. Busse will do that per request.
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By CS, do you mean custom shop?
 
Sigarett said:
Get him Cobalt! I wish he'd just keep his postings in the CS forum and let us be. I might buy a trail master to chop in half just for this dude.
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If it is possible I'd be down to try....

Got a few buddies who love cold steel.
 
The black and yellow looks great. :thumbup:

You can baton the holy hell out of it. At 5/16" thick - she's all go.

Edited to add: I got mixed up - the New ASHBM is 5/16" - Older Fusions were 1/4" stock - but you are still good to go. I have an old Fusion BM that I have beat the hell out of and it is still ready for more.:D
 
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Yeah I love this knife.
One of my most precious blades! Close tie with my konosuke sujihiki, which earns me a decent salary
 
HwangJino said:
If it is possible I'd be down to try....

Got a few buddies who love cold steel.
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You know, Cold Steels San mai stuff is pretty good. The steel overcomes a lot of the design flaw in the Trail master and Recon Scout. And like I said before the know how to put incredible edges on their better knives. But nothing cold steel makes even comes close to the Scrapyard line of Busse. In 1999, Lynn Thompson tried to buy my Battlemistress that I had just got from me. I said no. get your own. He then asked me to test his compared to my BM and I said sure. So he gave me a Trailmaster, Recon Scout and something else. I sent them to Cliff who compared them to his BM. He broke the CS knives fairly quickly.
 
Gaston444 said:
Though you do see BMs that perform well on wood, I just wonder how many of these do this out of the box...

Here are a few comments I've seen for OOB Busse, below a youtube video titled : "Busse NMFBM: Performance as received": Pathetic... This is why I am hesitant to lay down a penny for these: I just know too well what it's like to beat sharpness into a thick lump of steel, and I hate sending knives for professional re-profiling: If they can't do the work off the bat, they don't deserve my money, and especially not that kind of money...:

Quote: Steven “Shooter11b” Szabo 10 months ago
I had the exact same experience with my first NMFBM (try an LE version, WAY better). Most big, modern Busse's have shite for edges from the factory, which is scandalous for the price they charge IMHO. I ended up sending it to Brian Breeden who convexed it for me. It's a freaking light saber now.

Quote: Borderline5440 1 year ago
I'd say your experience with a dull factory edge is not unusual. My family and I have bought more than a few Bussekin knives new and they had functional edges, but not anything anyone would call "sharp." Ok (sort of) for anything that didn't require slicing. They've always needed re-profiling to actually become sharp and the factory edge seemed pretty conservative (30+ degrees in most cases) and we've gotten more than a few with wire edges. Good knives, crap factory edges.

I'll tell you right off, I'm not spending four months, and $200 in several extra-Coarse Dia Sharp diamond hones, thinning down and re-profiling a 60° inclusive edge... I've had enough of that with my Neeley SA9, which at least is worth the effort...

I'm sure they can be made into great chopping knives, as simple physics would require, but at two inches width and 28 plus ounces, and Trailmasters beating this by some margin at 17 ounces when the Busse is out of the box dull, I just wonder how efficient this all adds up to be, counting in the lack of sheath and dull factory edges... You either care about your customers or you don't...

Gaston
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Hey, plain and simple if you aren't going to lay down a penny on a Busse then those who have don't want your two cents about one either! :thumbdn:
 
I've got 4 Busse blades and they all came sharp. Very, very sharp. Not quite as aggressive an angle as maybe say RJ Martin - but that is not really what you want in a beat the hell out of it "survival / last tool on the planet" blade. To get a blade as sharp as all my Busses AND have it able to withstand a good pounding is key. I would wager a Busse against any other blade in that respect. I have carried and used a lot of knives, and for me - if I have a proven Busse on my hip I am a very happy camper.

Here you have a company that works with not just an awesome steel, but a huge amount of experience with that steel... This is the key. They know the steel, they know how it will perform, and they have done way more tests than I ever would and I would venture to say that for the money they are actually a bargain.
 
AZTimT said:
Hey, plain and simple if you aren't going to lay down a penny on a Busse then those who have don't want your two cents about one either! :thumbdn:
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I'm sorry I hadn't stated what was on my mind this clearly before...... Thanks again Tim
 
I loved chopping at seasoned oak with my satin NMFBM. It was dead production, not re-profiled or anything. It wasn't hair splitting sharp (how long would that last chopping hard wood anyway?), but it opened up that log like nobody's business and kept it's edge for a long time. I used it for months before sending it to the shop for sharpening and then only because I had a few others that needed to be done and figured I'd make it a batch deal. Two best choppers I've used so far: satin, convex KZII and satin, convex NMFBM. I'm just sad I moved and don't have logs to chop in my front yard anymore :( need to try out my CBT MOABolo now that the coating is gone and it's convex.
 
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