Did the swiss create the ultimate pocket knife?

Yes, I think that the SAK is the most universally accepted pocket tool. I know, I know...they are considered a knife around here, but to me this description doesn't really fit. So I guess my answer is no.

This.

I find it hard to talk about post 1980 SAks in the traditional forum. During the 70s, SAKs lost their bails, lost their rivets and went on a tool binge. At the same time, a young American named Tim was bumming around in Europe and got fed up with the lack of functional pliers on his SAK. The rest, as they say, is history; which is why I think it's a lot easier to discuss the comparative virtues of the modern SAK over in the multi-tool forum.

I will say this... We took the kids out for 2 days of XC skiing this past weekend.

South View from Pine Island by Pinnah, on Flickr

On the first day, my daughter's new boots had a painful fold in the toe box. Using a pair of folding pliers, I was able to quickly work the pleather until it folded in a better manner and the day and weekend were saved.

On the second day, my son's binding lost a bail. A rivet had sheered a part of the head. Again, using a pair of folding pliers, I was able to put the bail back in place and turn the remaining bits of the rivet head enough to jury rig it, saving the day and avoiding a walk out of the woods.

Im still not sure why the huge following the SAK knives. I have a couple and they are utilitarian to some degree. The steel is ho-hum but they are made well. But they are ugly as sin compared to other slipjoints that I consider "Traditional".

I find this too. Every once in a while, I google for the hardness values of SAK's Inox. The highest reported number I've seen are in the 54-55 Rc range. If that's changed or if that's wrong, I would be grateful to learn that. Compared to Buck's 420HC and Opinel's treatment of Sanvik 12C27, both in the 58 Rc range, I'll stick with Opinel. And as fond as I am of the camper pattern (my first knife and all that), I've come to prefer the ergos of a single blade knife.

So? How to get the functionality of an SAK and the cutting performance of a good single blade knife? My solution..

Nearly every day

EDC Pair by Pinnah, on Flickr


When dress slacks are demanded

image by Pinnah, on Flickr


Sometimes, just because

Schrade 51OT by Pinnah, on Flickr


You know, out of the hundreds of knives I own and have owned, I don't recall one Victorinox. I have and have had some of the Century patterns Schrade tried to market briefly, assembled of German produced parts by Camillus, but they really didn't do much for me. I have several Kastor made knives well over a hundred years old and they have a certain... elegance.. like gentleman's pocket jewelry, but I don't carry them. I've always had one or more of the Imperial Kamp Kings and they serve well. I have a few Ulsters too and they are a bit more upscale in materials, fit and finish, but I really don't carry and use them either. When I feel the need to carry a utility knife to use, I carry a tank. An old military MIL-K-818.

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They can be broken but it takes a lot of effort.

I would love to see a variant of this pattern revived. I think Leatherman would be the company to do it. Take a Micra, or a classic old PST, and open up full length like this and then put it side by each with an old Demo knife, like the one you've shown.

Micra whittling by Pinnah, on Flickr

Now, in you mind's eye, get rid of the scissor (or pliers head) in the middle of the Leatherman. Can you see a reborn Demo knife emerging? I can. The technical advance would be setting aside the traditional spring bar construction of a slip joint for a design that forms the scales and springs out of a single piece of stainless. Very thin, very light, very tough and offers up a lot of possibilities of multiple tool blades? Non-tradtional? I dunno. Call it a douk-douk or Mercator Cat combined with a Demo knife. A Demo knife competitor to the modern (non-traditional?) SAK? You betcha.
 
Woodrow, I'm already thinking I'll just let the Farmer replace the SAK Classic that's been in my left pocket for years. The scales pop off of that poor battered Classic most of the time I take it out. The spring for scissors is gone, and I carved the toothpick to hold a button on my uniform blazer that popped off literally a few minutes before the CEO at the time of Citigroup was arriving and heading into the door that I was guarding. Time to retire it with honor I think.

I've been carrying the Case mini-trapper in the left pocket recently while I test carried a medium stockman in the same scale material in the right. Might be time to retire the stockman to the pocket carry anytime approved group here. Not so many as you would think in that club as I'm a bit picky about it. Then move the MT back to it's proper spot and the Farmer to the old Classic's post.

Yeah, I'm not going to dump my MT immediately, but I think I'll definitely give the Farmer some pocket time as well. As Clint Smith says, "Two is one and one is none." It applies to knives as well as guns. ;)

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Regarding the steel. Check out a YouTube video by JDavis882 when he does some test cutting with a SAK on about 9 feet sisal rope. He does a lot of sharpening, polishing, and handles some of the standard high end modern folders, but he's not familiar with the SAK steel and wasn't expecting much. He was quite surprised and impressed by it. It's good viewing.

SAK steel isn't intended to be the hardest edged steel that doesn't need sharpened until you've felled a forest, slaughtered a herd of elk, and built a cabin with it. It's intended to hold an edge a reasonable amount of time, not break and chip in use, and be able to bring back to life in just a few strokes. My Swisschamp was my favorite for shaving down and shaping walking sticks for that reason.

Darn guys got me thinking SAKs again and even colored Alox. I ended up winning an action for a mildly used pair of SAKs, a Signature and a Manager, for about $6 shipped. My Classic needs a break and I still like having scissors. I almost pulled the trigger on a green Cadet. The only reason I didn't was I've really been wanting to try out some pocket fixed blades and found a good deal on a real Buck Hartsook. But, I have the Cadet saved along with a few other models on my wish list.

The only thing that should make waiting for my Farmer which should be in he mail Friday is that I should get an order for some waterstones and a few Edgepro stones in today. At this point the budget is busted. Now it's just lust for awhile. But, that's okay, at least I have a chance of actually acquiring the knives. I don't think Charlize Theron or Scarlett Johansson are going to be popping by because they "just had to see me." :D

See, that's why hanging out here is so bad. Like a crackhead trying to walk the straight and narrow and walking straight into a crackhouse filled with enablers.
 
No, the French did, Opinel.

If I had to live with only one pocket knife, it would be a carbone opinel no. 8.
However I am carrying my soldier today because I felt like it and it's a wonderful knife, I also get a lot of use out of the tools on a regulator basis.
I could be quite content with only my SAKs and Opinels as my only knives.
 
I never thought I would find much use for the reamer. However, with the totally ineffective air intake on these solo lids there is always a ridiculous slurping sound that happens when you take a drink. In a two and a half hour English origins of American law class with the quietest professor ever that sound sticks out. So the reamer did great making a bigger hole.

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It is also great to clean nails, scrape stickers off, open packages and even cut zip-ties! I have used it plenty of times as the equivalent of a small blade.

I never thought I would find much use for the reamer. However, with the totally ineffective air intake on these solo lids there is always a ridiculous slurping sound that happens when you take a drink. In a two and a half hour English origins of American law class with the quietest professor ever that sound sticks out. So the reamer did great making a bigger hole.

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It is also great to clean nails, scrape stickers off, open packages and even cut zip-ties! I have used it plenty of times as the equivalent of a small blade.


+1

It excels at packages/packing tape without cutting into the box while saving your main blade......pretty good at scraping grass burrs off your boots and pant's legs as well. :thumbup:

Good for quick scoring lumber for cutting too. Lots of uses.
 
Couldn't help it after reading through this thread. I have been eyeballing the alox SAKs for a while now and pulled the trigger on a Farmer this morning. I had a tough time deciding between the Farmer and Electrician Plus. I really like the sheepsfoot on the electrician but the can opener and keychain eyelet won out.

Thanks for all the photos and comments.
 
Couldn't help it after reading through this thread. I have been eyeballing the alox SAKs for a while now and pulled the trigger on a Farmer this morning. I had a tough time deciding between the Farmer and Electrician Plus. I really like the sheepsfoot on the electrician but the can opener and keychain eyelet won out.

Thanks for all the photos and comments.


That's the problem with hanging out in these places. First they just keep tossing up all the eyecandy and telling wonderful tales about each. Then they say, "Yea! Get it! Get that one too!" One moment you haven't really thought about a SAK much or the fact you don't have an Alox and the next you're ordering a Farmer in the wee hours and checking the shipping info a few times a day to see if by some bend in space/time it might get to you a day earlier.

No such luck. Mine still shows tomorrow for delivery and I'm not sure I trust that. <pace, pace>
 
I always figured the SAKs as a cheap gimmick and equal to the cheap Colonial and Japanese Sabre brands that sold for $1.25 out of the big knife cases in stores during my youth.

I by luck came into a SAK Tinker and quickly changed my mind and started to actually carry it.

Now several SAKs later I'm still impressed with them. The QC so far a head that it is the only brand I don't worry about buying sight unseen.

As for blade steel they don't keep the best edge but they easily take a wicked edge and are so easily touched up I will use them for things that I wouldn't a much harder steel. Also, as has been mentioned, they are slicing demons with their thin blades.

The SAK Alox Soldier virtually disappears in a pocket until needed and with the rounded shape isn't hard on pockets or hands.

For a dedicated hard use outdoor knife I think a large 4 1/4 inch stockman has everything else beat but for a general purpose knife and one that can perform many other light tasks that a pure traditional can't perform the SAKs are great.
 
LOL, I went backwards by only carrying a SAK for years, albeit an overkill one (SwissChamp), then got into Traditionals in a big way through Boy Scout patterns.

The only thing, some SAKs are LE's, and I've managed to lose my black scaled Wood Badge Huntsman LE :( I've never lost a knife before that, though my wife insists that I've only "misplaced" it. Here's hoping it turns up soon <fingers crossed> In the meantime I'll carry my new glow-in-the-dark BSA scaled Deluxe Tinker :)

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That's the problem with hanging out in these places. First they just keep tossing up all the eyecandy and telling wonderful tales about each. Then they say, "Yea! Get it! Get that one too!" One moment you haven't really thought about a SAK much or the fact you don't have an Alox and the next you're ordering a Farmer in the wee hours and checking the shipping info a few times a day to see if by some bend in space/time it might get to you a day earlier.

No such luck. Mine still shows tomorrow for delivery and I'm not sure I trust that. <pace, pace>

How do you think I feel? I ordered my black alox pioneer january 6th!! to find out january 7th they were out of stock (darn online website not "current stock") and were expecting a delivery from victorinox within 10-14 days. Here i am like 17 days later and still no word!
grumble grumble
 
I'm pretty sure that there are those who legitimately need (or at least, would be better served by) something more robust than a SAK.

I figure akadave2's perspective is based on him living in Alaska, where the pocket knife is likely called on for a broader range of activities than my humble southern-US office-cube city dwelling lifestyle tends to throw at me. And as such, I believe his comment is very well founded.

If I lived a more outdoors-centric life, or had a real working man's job instead of being a keyboard jockey, then I might find the humble SAK to be a bit weak for some of my daily needs. But I'd probably still carry one as a backup or for the small stuff. :)


John -

I would have to respectfully disagree with the notion the notion that a SAK isn't up to a "broader range of activities and outdoor use." I spend a lot of time outdoors, and I'll use my Alox Pioneer for anything I'll use one of my fancy traditionals for, without a second thought. In fact, probably even more so, since they cost so much less that I'm not as worried about damaging it. If there is a task that I think my SAK might not be up to, then it's time to reach for a fixed blade. :thumbup:
 
John -

I would have to respectfully disagree with the notion the notion that a SAK isn't up to a "broader range of activities and outdoor use." I spend a lot of time outdoors, and I'll use my Alox Pioneer for anything I'll use one of my fancy traditionals for, without a second thought. In fact, probably even more so, since they cost so much less that I'm not as worried about damaging it. If there is a task that I think my SAK might not be up to, then it's time to reach for a fixed blade. :thumbup:

+1 This has been my experience as well. The ALOX models are extremely robust for a slipjoint.
 
Hello!

To me, the swiss created the ultimate pocketable tool that also featured a(t least one) blade. Depending on the model these are the best allrounders out there imho.

Best regards,
Alex
 
How would you all rate the victorinox soldier blade with respect to people friendlyness.. Would you pull it out at an office? would you use it in public? how far and friendly would you say it is? I am mostly interested in the responses of states with strict blade rules and other places like Canada, EU, etc..
 
I'm pretty sure that there are those who legitimately need (or at least, would be better served by) something more robust than a SAK.

I figure akadave2's perspective is based on him living in Alaska, where the pocket knife is likely called on for a broader range of activities than my humble southern-US office-cube city dwelling lifestyle tends to throw at me. And as such, I believe his comment is very well founded.

If I lived a more outdoors-centric life, or had a real working man's job instead of being a keyboard jockey, then I might find the humble SAK to be a bit weak for some of my daily needs. But I'd probably still carry one as a backup or for the small stuff. :)

I am one who believes that one should use the right tool for the job. Still SAKs are issued for military use..... and this is the thread that made me want the Farmer I bought:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...armer-splitting-log-and-fire?highlight=farmer
 
How would you all rate the victorinox soldier blade with respect to people friendlyness.. Would you pull it out at an office? would you use it in public? how far and friendly would you say it is? I am mostly interested in the responses of states with strict blade rules and other places like Canada, EU, etc..

IMHO, there's probably nothing as on-looker friendly as a SAK. Even in Alox, it seems that the profile is recognizable, and certainly up-close, on-lookers can see the tools. The presence of a corkscrew is a near universal acknowledgement, LOL. Obviously, you need two hands on the traditional SAK patterns, so there's no flicking them open, causing alarm from technique.
 
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