Did the swiss create the ultimate pocket knife?

John -

I would have to respectfully disagree with the notion the notion that a SAK isn't up to a "broader range of activities and outdoor use." I spend a lot of time outdoors, and I'll use my Alox Pioneer for anything I'll use one of my fancy traditionals for, without a second thought. In fact, probably even more so, since they cost so much less that I'm not as worried about damaging it. If there is a task that I think my SAK might not be up to, then it's time to reach for a fixed blade. :thumbup:

I have to totally agree with this.:thumb up:

Any good pocket knife will handle most of what you need, and if it does not, then you need a fixed blade or another tool. I know there is a trend these days to see the folding knife as an overbuilt do-all cutting tool, capable of prying open car doors. But I truly believe this is a hyped mind set put out by the manufacturers and the knife magazines that are their lackeys, to sell a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

But it all became a crystal clear epiphany on a trip to Costa Rica that my better half and I took some years ago. Our oldest boy, John, had been sent to San Jose for business, and we had made plans for a trip down to visit our son. Unknown to us, John, knowing what animal and bird watchers we were, arranged for us to have hiking/camping trip in the rain forrest. For the better part of a week, we hiked, nature watched, and camped out in the Costa Rica jungle with a wonderful guided trip. Being the knife knut I am, I of course took careful note of what they all were using. Ev try guide carried a 12 inch machete in a nee leather scabbard, and used that machete for everything. The guy in the lead position carried a much longer machete for trail clearing when things were a bit over grown. But on each guides belt was a nylon and velcro pouch, that contained a SAK and a Bic lighter. Around camp, where each late afternoon we arrived to find tents already set up and dinner being prepared, the guides found much use for the SAK's. Small cutting jobs, doing some maintenance on a camp stove, opening a can, whatever. It seemed that the 12 inch machete and a SAK was the go-to set up. Small jobs and big are covered by two tools. Even on the last night, when we were given a pig roast as our last meal in the rainforest, the guide doing the carving was using his 12 inch machete to serve up delicious steaming hot roast pork.

I remember my dad using pretty much the same set-up with his peanut and the cut down English machete that he called his bushwhacker. With a two inch bladed pocket knife and a 9 1/2 inch chopper/slicer, all bases were covered. I even recall him using the machete to slice a ham and loaf of bread on a picnic when mom forgot to pack the kitchen knife. It worked well. Two tools, many uses. If a pocket knife doesn't do it, it's time for a bigger tool. A sturdy SAK will go a long way before needed that bigger tool.

Carl.
 
Two tools are usually enough, but some like to throw in a third (fixed blade) because they "think" the SAK or traditional might not be up to a task. I carry a fixed blade in the woods often, but when I need to cut something, my automatic reflex is to reach into my pocket (not grab the fixed blade) and grab my SAK which easily handles 90% of everything I cut. More than half the time I'll carry a fixed blade in the woods and it never comes out of the sheath.
 
When I was stationed at Ft. Wainwright, Ak, my SAK Champ was always on me in both garrison and the field. Also on just for the fun of it trips. It got used for all kinds of things and did pretty much what a knife should do too. For heavy use I had a Cold Steel Trailmaster in the original Carbon V, made in the U.S.. I'd sling it on a braided up bit of paracord for around camp and just shove it down on the side of my ruck when moving. I could pretty much do anything I wanted with those.

Today I have a tomahawk in place of the Trailmaster which I sold to a friend when I was leaving Alaska. I regret that. Then again, I don't get out to play in the woods much anymore.

I'm a bit miffed today though. My SAK Alox Farmer, my Buck Hartsook, and a pair of used small SAKS (Signature and Manager) that I won an auction on for only about 4 bucks, were all supposed to be here today. Not a thing in the mail. I sure hope they show up tomorrow or it's gonna feel like forever til Monday. I was also hoping they would show up today since I would be getting the mail today. ;) Tomorrow I might get a suspicious look if 3 pr 4 packages show up and wife of Wolf known as Ms. Kitteh is the one checking the mail or sees me strolling in with a handful of packages, and none for her. :o
 
Like you, Amos, I was expecting a couple of sharp deliveries today that did not happen. They should both arrive tomorrow. But I'm OK with it, because today my wife received two pairs of shoes in the mail. Now I'm off the hook!
 
Like you, Amos, I was expecting a couple of sharp deliveries today that did not happen. They should both arrive tomorrow. But I'm OK with it, because today my wife received two pairs of shoes in the mail. Now I'm off the hook!

That's good right there Jeff ;) I Kid you not my wife received two pairs of shoes today from Kohls and I was thinking the exact same thing as you :thumbup::D.

Paul
 
Yes. Yes they did. The Swiss nailed it. The Alox Soldier/pioneer and cadet are great knives. 99.9% of bladeforums "which knife for me" threads would be filled perfectly with these knives, and probably every citizen of every country on Earth.
 
They also make good chocolates and watches. And they are apparently good bankers for those who wish to remain anonymous. I will say that I didn't really drink the Swiss kool-aid until I found Alox handled knives. The celidor handled versions are nice, but the waffle-textured Alox scales is what tripped my trigger.
 
They also make good chocolates and watches. And they are apparently good bankers for those who wish to remain anonymous. I will say that I didn't really drink the Swiss kool-aid until I found Alox handled knives. The celidor handled versions are nice, but the waffle-textured Alox scales is what tripped my trigger.

Me too. Like the celidor, LOVE the alox. If they could get a tooth pick and tweezers in the handle, along with scissors as an option, they'd be about perfect.

They also make good cough drops. I'm getting over the flu for almost two weeks. I've been on diet of them.
 
It can certainly be argued that the SAK is the ultimate pocket knife.

I just returned from a major trade show last week. All I had with me was my Classic. It performed all my cutting needs and didn't flinch. I just had to touch up the edge when I got home, that was all.
 
In answer to your original question, yes. My SAK's have pretty much kicked everything else out of my pocket. A Climber for in town, and a Farmer or Huntsman for the woods.
 
It can certainly be argued that the SAK is the ultimate pocket knife.

<shrug>

I suspect this thread would unfold differently if it was run in either the General or Outdoor Gear forums.

I'm glad people like their SAKs, but running the thread in the traditional sub-forum really tilts the field.
 
<shrug>

I suspect this thread would unfold differently if it was run in either the General or Outdoor Gear forums.

I'm glad people like their SAKs, but running the thread in the traditional sub-forum really tilts the field.

I wonder what the most popular knife in the world is?
 
I am so relieved that I found my Wood Badge Huntsman. It's now cooling its heels in my drawer while my recently acquired glow in the dark BSA Super Tinker takes its place in my belt pouch.

I know if I ever visited the Victorinox store in Switzerland I would be in trouble; between their watches and knives I'd be out a lot of money :D
 
Yep, apparently it's not a popular knife in the Outdoor Gear forum...
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http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1086557-Love-for-the-Swiss-Army-Knife?highlight=SAK
 
Victorinox produces +25 million knives per year. That's more than 2 million each month. 2 MILLION! Nothing to shrug at.

Ahhh, actually according to what I read some years ago in an article in Knife World, it's more like 35 million knives a year. And that was before the massive investment in new higher speed tooling a few years back. Victorinox is THE largest knife factory in the world, followed by Opinel. Both are also the most highly automated knife factories in the world.
 
I wonder what the most popular knife in the world is?

Victorinox produces +25 million knives per year. That's more than 2 million each month. 2 MILLION! Nothing to shrug at.

I believe that Domino's is the most popular pizza, Budweiser is the most popular beer and the Toyota Corolla the most popular car. If I happen to be wrong on any of those, you still get my point. Most popular <> best.


Sure. Plenty of folks love them and that's great. It really is. My point is only that we can't really discuss the pros/cons of the SAK compared to the alternatives in this sub-forum since we're restricted to traditionals.
 
I believe that Domino's is the most popular pizza, Budweiser is the most popular beer and the Toyota Corolla the most popular car. If I happen to be wrong on any of those, you still get my point. Most popular <> best.



Sure. Plenty of folks love them and that's great. It really is. My point is only that we can't really discuss the pros/cons of the SAK compared to the alternatives in this sub-forum since we're restricted to traditionals.


Bottom line remains unchanged. They are ubiquitous the world over because they work and because they are well designed and engineered and built consistently to high standards with consistent quality to be capable of doing everything a pocket knife should do. Plus the company stands behind the product. And all that for just a few bucks --- that's an incredible value in a knife. Simply put, Victorinox broke the code.
 
I believe that Domino's is the most popular pizza, Budweiser is the most popular beer and the Toyota Corolla the most popular car. If I happen to be wrong on any of those, you still get my point. Most popular <> best.

Sure. Plenty of folks love them and that's great. It really is. My point is only that we can't really discuss the pros/cons of the SAK compared to the alternatives in this sub-forum since we're restricted to traditionals.

We could discuss it until the cows come home, but when you look at the total world wide sales figures, the numbers tell the tale. Just like the Toyota Corolla is the worlds most popular car, there's a reason. Most people, most human beings that need an item, and are not enthusiasts, don't care about much besides price point and quality. The guy looking to go get to work, drop off his kid at school on the way, and home again is looking for a the best buy for his money. Toyota sells more cars than Audi, Porshe, and Jaguar all put together for that reason.

The regular Joe car buyer is just like the regular Joe who buys a knife. He's not an enthusiast, he's not obsessed with the latest steel, or what movie/TV show has a character using that certain knife. All he wants is a pocket knife that will work. And Victorinox has a century long reputation of doing just that. How many knives does GEC, Case, and queen make a year? Probably all them combined can't equal Victorinox. Heck, most people who are not obsessed with the hobby probably don't even know what GEC is or that it even exists. But they know the red handles with silver cross on it. It's all about value delivered that matters to the regular Joe consumer. That's why Toyota sells more cars than any other company. Perceived value. And that value is perceived by the regular Joe consumer because of reputation. Word of mouth. So when a non knife person walks into an Eastern Mountain sports store, or a Dick's sporting goods, and he see's some knives he doesn't recognize from jack, then he see's the SAK's hanging there in the clear plastic blister packages, guess what he's gonna buy? No rocket science there. He's heard about SAK's, read about SAK's in the backpacking books and magazine. Heck, the most esteemed guru of backpackers of my generation was Collin Fletcher, and he was a SAK fan. One has to ask why one single brand becomes so popular over many other similar products? Just luck? Is the public in general that stupid that they are all falling for a great con?

SAK's, Bic pen's and lighters, Toyota Corolla's, all have something that resonates with the regular Joe consumer. Those things always work. 35 million buyers a year all can't be that dumb.
 
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