Did Topps copy Busse?

[pbubsy]

I know there's some differences in the handles, but doesn't the topps Pasayten look a hellova lot like the Busse SAR 5?

 

[Bill Siegle]

The TOPS knife predates the NWSAR5 by a couple years

 

[pbubsy]

thanks Bill!

 

[trestle]

Glad to see someone else noticed

 

[leatherman]

the Tops Knife Predates The Nwsar5 By A Couple Years

well......

DOH!!!!

 

[Trace Rinaldi]

The Paysatan was also designed by Steven Dick, editor of Tactical Knives magazine. Its a pretty nifty knife too;-)

 

[Heavy]

They sure do look alike.

I like the Sar5 so much that I might pick up one of those Pasayten's.......maybe.....




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[moonwilson]

They sure do look alike.

I like the Sar5 so much that I might pick up one of those Pasayten's.......maybe.....

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Oops. I forgot. Post edited to avoid bashing another maker.

Um, Tops are great.

 

[tsiloics]

So then, by the logic typically applied in this sort of thread, I guess Busse coppied TOPS.

 

[Tony G]

They sure do look alike.

I like the Sar5 so much that I might pick up one of those Pasayten's.......maybe.....

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Yes, no matter what anyone says the SAR-5 "works" :thumbup:

 

[DWRW]

I also noticed. I used to have a Pasayten.

I would guess the Pasayten predates the SAR5 by "more" than a couple of years. I would guess I had my Pasayten 3-5 years ago (?????).

They both have a very similar shape and both about 10" oal. Maybe coincidence (????).
But, the Pasayten is much slimmer and lighter in both handle and blade with a 1/8" blade. Whereas, the handle in particular is MUCH chunkier on the SAR5.

Also, the SAR5 is convex. :thumbup:

For my part, I feel that most "general" knife shapes have probably been done by now. So, short of designing freaky/funky blades, at some point most anything made is going to at least slightly resemble something else.

So, I don't get too worked up over "similar".

If "exact", then I consider it a knock-off. Similar, or use of "some" of the same design features/shapes is just somewhat inevitable.

I remember being very excited about the design and look of the overall design from pics online and while ordering one..... But, then it showed up. I think the "design" was very good. But, my particular knife was horribly made.

I know a lot of people like Tops. But, the Pasayten I received had the WORST factory grinds on the blade I have ever seen. Prior to the Pasayten, I had two other Tops knives with no problems. I don't know what the heck happened to my Pasayten. The spine was almost as thick as the primary grind near the edge in some places. The primary grind near the edge towards the tip of the blade was way thicker than near the ricasso. The whole blade was wavy and crooked like a dogs hind leg. Looked like a hacked trainer grind type blade and a bad one even for that.

I contacted Tops about it to see what they might do and received horrible customer service IMO.

I don't know if all Pasaytens are as bad as the one I got. Since I had two other Tops knives that looked fine, I have to doubt it. I assume my Pasayten was a bad fluke or among a small bad batch or something. But, based on the customer service experience alone, it will take a lot to convince me to consider a Tops knife again.

Short of the horrible grinds and horribly edge on mine, the Pasayten was actually a good design and a handy shape, weight, etc. with excellent balance and feel in the hand. It could have been good.



......... I don't consider stating the facts as bashing. I give credit where due and point out flaws as I see them. I try to be fair and honest. But, I call things like I see them. If that is bashing, then so be it.

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[DWRW]

Yes, no matter what anyone says the SAR-5 "works" :thumbup:

I agree. The SAR5 might not be the "sexiest" Busse design. But, it is hard to not give credit for the SAR5 being a very functional design.

For my part, I feel the handle is too heavy and too chunky. And I will eventually strip mine and make it full convex and sharpen mine for much improved cutting ability. I will probably also modify the handle to more suit my preferences. But, the general design is quite good IMO. And if nothing else, it is a good knife for modifications.

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[steelnut]

I found a picture of the one I used to have,
it did not jump to mind when I got my SAR5's
Wish I still had it for a comparison shot.....

 

[Bill Siegle]

Let's face it...the concept of a small working clip point with a simple handle is almost as old as knives themselves. Gonna be some "near misses" every now and then I seriously dought anyone was copying anyone else here.

 

[steelnut]

Looks like they copied Busse's tube fasteners

 

[Bill Siegle]

Busse was far from the 1st to use tubes either. I recall Tom Maringer's Vorpal line as being the first handles I had seen with flared tubes for fasteners. Heck even Jerry has mentioned it isn't a proprietary method

 

[Jeepnut22]

Looks pretty decent actually. CM 154... Interesting...

Oh, and the SAR5 is one of my go to knives when heading out for a small hike with the family. :thumbup:

Now that I finally ordered a sheath for my RatMandu, it'll be a toss up between the SAR5 and RMD.

 

[papathud]

There are only so many possible ways to shape a blade that are easy to use,

Sort of the same with handles.

Loveless had a way with drop points that made them special.

Differences in material and details of blade and handle make up the differences between knives.

Jerry has done a pretty good job of making his knives Stand out and be easily picked out of a crowd.

"I remember the time"

Well never mind.

 

[Uncle_Jarvis]

Sar5 Functional ???

Sure you are not talking about the sarsquatch ??
If anything, the Sar5 is the most disfunctional Busse in the bunch..
It is just my opinion afterall. I owned 5 of them at one point....
I would rather own to use the TOPPS version instead. Handle looks a hell of a lot more comfortable and the design seems to be a lot better..

I agree. The SAR5 might not be the "sexiest" Busse design. But, it is hard to not give credit for the SAR5 being a very functional design.

For my part, I feel the handle is too heavy and too chunky. And I will eventually strip mine and make it full convex and sharpen mine for much improved cutting ability. I will probably also modify the handle to more suit my preferences. But, the general design is quite good IMO. And if nothing else, it is a good knife for modifications.

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[barrabas74]

C'mon uncle J tell us what you really think.

I have not had the opportunity to handle the SAR5 but the Tops is a nice little knife, the one I owned had so-so grinds and it took alot of reprofiling to get it to cut well. I eventually traded it as it never stood out among my users.