Difference between High-end and Low-end knives?

I guess if warranty, reliability, pride of ownership and confidence in your knife don't matter to you......then sure, carry a $10 knife.

The thing that's even better than a good warranty is never needing the warranty in the first place. :D I've only ever needed warranty work on something like 3-4 knives out of all of the ones that I own, and ironically all of those knives that required it cost $100+. Reliability and confidence in the knife are not a problem with inexpensive knives as long as you know what to look for and how to evaluate them. As far as pride of ownership goes, good ol' Yankee thrift makes me beam with pride when I've found a budget-friendly gem. :D

Just some counterpoints to consider. We all have our reasons for what we buy, and sometimes those reasons can be very similar even if our attitudes are different. :)
 
Absolutely Blades!!! Just stating my opinion!
It just seems, after 50 years, every time I went the cheap route with anything, it came back to bite me where it hurts!
Me electrical pliers, Klein's, cost me over $50. I tried a cheaper brand, Chanel Lock I think, and the difference was incredibly obvious. Same with screwdrivers, adj wrenches, amprobes.......etc.
I have a couple of lower end Kershaws that I won't use at work, yet have total confidence in my other higher end blades.
I don't have your knowledge of knives, so I tend to go higher end.
Warranty issues I've come across were mostly my fault!!! Cheap torx tool WILL strip out torx heads!!!
Another lesson learned!!
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There have been a lot of answers. I am probably repeating a lot of what has been said.
I would say, and I think it relates to the Lexus comment, be aware what high end is. Heck I'm just learning what that means. Basically I think high end is above or around $500 and up to about anything you could imagine (a custom maker putting together for you) . . . multiple thousand dollar range at least.

So you are probably asking low to mid.

For me I never look at price for a tool until I know what is out there, pretty much. I mean . . . say . . . I start looking for a kind of knife and I see just so so stuff that does not knock me down then I choose what makes the most sense from the specs and then look at price. BUT if I saw something that just realy fired my balloon then I would just save until I could get it.

I would say that any time I pay less than a hundred dollars for a knife I feel vaguely uneasy, which is most of the time since I guess I buy low end knives.

My favorite steel, the reason I bought the knife, came on a knife made in Japan . . . in my experience a very good thing [and consistently desirable clear down into the $30 range. Steel and blade wise. Down in that range you can have some serious issues with the rest of the knife] . . . anyway back to the favorite steel knife . . . it was in the $70 range, bit more, and the knife is perfect out of the box and I just sharpen it when needed. Not jewelry but a perfect cutting tool for what it was designed for.

Another knife I bought, largish 4inch blade, I bought just for the handle, the blade steel I just glanced at( 440C ), I felt bad about buying China made [only because our jobs were given to them; I have no problem with the people at all; I respect the people quite a lot in fact] . . . so I buys this cheepie Joe knife just to try out a handle like that
AND . . .
Every time I pick up that knife it feels like coming home. Fits my hand and the way my fingers work to a T and the steel . . . I look forward to using that blade . . . it is truly very good.
I feel like finding one of our out of work factory workers and pushing $50 into his hand and walk away in shame but other than that . . .

The last knife that I bought was well over $100 and made in America. Other knives I have bought in the same range I have been less than thrilled with; at least one the lock was not great and the steel was less than it could be even though top shelf steel all on the same knife. I am positive there are a few knives out there though that are no longer available new that I would be ecstatic about. GEC . . . you guys . . .:grumpy:

Most of the jewelry knives . . . I call them that because from a mechanical stand point they don't fit my idea of an EDC . . . I look forward to owning but I seem to always find something that makes me say nah . . . nah . . . (other than price) . . .

If I could just relax and go for the Totally Cool factor then I would have much more fun but be an infinitely poorer person.

SO FIND THE KNIFE THAT LIFTS YOUR BALLOON AND BUY THE DANGED THING
NO MATTER THE PRICE.
 
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Looks like Jackknife beat me to this thread. I think you hit it on the head.

There's a major part of a knife that many people forget about, and that's the blade and it's ability to cut. You can have a perfectly balanced knife with a tank of a blade on ball bearings and an axis lock, but if that blade geometry is not correct then it struggles or fails to do the very thing that it was made to do. Don't get me wrong, things like ball bearings and overbuilt locks are fantastic and really make a knife feel high quality, but they come in second to having an adequate lock and good blade geometry. It's like having a supercar built for a massive v12 with a rigid body and great suspension that has a 110 horsepower motor in it.

I really appreciate reliability, simplicity, and cutting ability more so than pure durability. If I need more strength than a good quality lockback, linerlock, frame lock, or compression lock I'll go with a fixed blade. With rough use the handle may loosen on some, but a fixed blade can't develop blade play. It's also a lot easier to keep clean than a folding knife that has little springs to corrode, wear, or break and places for dirt or blood to pack into.

While I'm not a know-all expert, I do know that most experienced knife makers will tell you that tool steels like W2 or D2 are the best, just not the most exotic flavor of the month. Pure hardness does not make a good knife, nor does pure toughness. All things must be balanced based on what the knife is intended to do. I wish that people would worry less about how hard they can abuse their knife and lock and worry more about the grind, shape, steel, and temper.

That being said, my definition of high end is much different than most people's. You can sometimes have a $50 knife cut and perform like a $200 knife, with nearly equal fit and finish. Which is higher end at that point? At what point does it become a status symbol without gaining quality? That being said, I do like Spyderco and the ZTs I've handled, but I also like Buck, Kershaw, Ontario, etc. I've ditched more expensive knives in the past and held on to cheaper ones because they were simply better all around.

It's been said that simplicity is the ultimate sophistication.
 
Materials, and that's it.
Up to a certain point a knife just can't physically be any better. If the knife has no blade play and a solid lock up, the only thing left to think about is which steel you prefer because nothing else hinders or improves function.

For me a simple one hand opening lockback with basic quality Is as much knife as I'll ever need in a folder, a spyderco delica is probably the most expensive I'll go and nothing else would actually be an improved knife.
 
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As always, Jackknife had some awesome thoughts to share. If I had more money, I might purchase some high end blades to see what they're all about. But I don't have a lot of extra money to throw at new knives. My most expensive knives are probably Case knives. I have no real desire to acquire expensive knives. I am perfectly satisfied with Case, Buck, Victorinox, Mora, Rough Rider, Steel Warrior, etc. And I'm fine with lower end steels because they're easier for me to sharpen. If I lose a knife, I won't be utterly crushed. Now that I am middle-aged, I have learned that I don't need the best of anything. I drive a 13 year old Toyota Camry, love eating at the Waffle House, and often use Suave shampoo and Ivory bar soap. I love a good deal and like to save money.

I am not a farm girl, nor am I a kept woman. I'm a city gal. We all have different needs and uses for our knives. I'm not an office drone, nor do I have a man in my life. Gay gals like myself have to be self-reliant, and I put a good deal of thought into a knife purchase. I always have several knives on me, so if one happens to fail I'm not screwed.

At all boils down to materials, what you like, and what your budget is. Buy what you like and can comfortably afford.


Alex
 
A higher grade steel will cost a few more dollars per knife.

For a knife I am working on, I was pricing the steel.
It is a large knife.
5160 steel will cost about $18 or so.
CPM-3V of the size and thickness I need will cost $95 (US dollars).

That's more than a "few more dollars" from where I am sitting.
 
I own many knives, from low-end up to CRK. I don't consider myself a collector per se, though I have accumulated a lot of knives. I buy very few knives anymore.

I REALLY like and use my CRKs, mostly my large Insingo and my small Inkosi. They cut great. They do darn good work. Do they cut 4 times as good as, say, a Delica? Of course not. But they do everything a knife blade needs to do for me. I didn't buy my CRKs as status symbols. Heck, I don't even know anyone I would show them off to, much less care to. I'm the only knife enthusiast I know. I bought them for my own enjoyment. Currently in my life I have VERY FEW things I splurge and spend extra money on. So I don't feel guilty or elitist about my CRKs.

I also like knives by Victorinox. I've carried a SAK of one sort or another for over 30 years, and don't see that ever changing. I carry a SAK along with my CRK. I see no contradiction. In fact, I use my SAK(s) more times in a typical day than my other knife(s), because I often need a tool other than a cutting blade. When I lived overseas, I carried the same SAK, an older-style Spartan for a decade as my only knife. I had bought it at a Christman sale at a hardware store in the early '80s for $5. I consider Victorinox knives the best bargain in the cutlery world. Their prices may still be considered "lower end" by cutlery enthusiast standards, but they are not low-end tools.

I've also had good experiences with Spyderco and Benchmade, and still use my FFG Delica and Spydie Salt knives at times. IMO, buy and use whatever you like, "high-end" or "low-end" or in-between, and don't worry so much about what anyone else might think about your choices one way or another. Life is too short.

Jim
 
I own many knives, from low-end up to CRK. I don't consider myself a collector per se, though I have accumulated a lot of knives. I buy very few knives anymore.

I REALLY like and use my CRKs, mostly my large Insingo and my small Inkosi. They cut great. They do darn good work. Do they cut 4 times as good as, say, a Delica? Of course not. But they do everything a knife blade needs to do for me. I didn't buy my CRKs as status symbols. Heck, I don't even know anyone I would show them off to, much less care to. I'm the only knife enthusiast I know. I bought them for my own enjoyment. Currently in my life I have VERY FEW things I splurge and spend extra money on. So I don't feel guilty or elitist about my CRKs.


Jim

Same way around here....

I hardly ever see anything better than flea market or Wal Mart stuff so most people wouldn't know a CRK if I showed it to them or a Spyderco for that matter.
 
I go high-end 100% of the time. Largely because I define high-end in terms of fit & finish, as well as materials & design. To me, low-end means crappy fit & finish, if not materials & design as well....& I don't like those knives, so I don't purchase those knives. I buy only hand-made fixed, & mostly from hobby type makers without big names. I know some folks categorize high & low-end almost exclusively by name recognition...I do not. I buy great looking knives made by men with passion for the craft, so the materials used & fit & finish are always top-notch....otherwise, they'd never sell the knives in the 1st place - & I'm happy every time this way.
 
I don't have money to High end, but ka-bar BK&T are helluva knife for the price and great customer aftercare. Sure they are not fancy stainless rustfree, but get a lovely edge and very good handles on them. Sure high end have their place, so do cheap (but not nasty) ones. At the end of the day they are tools and if you find one that suits you best and does the job you want, who cares about the cost if you got the best you could within your price range. Sometimes things are overly priced as sales tactics, so price is not always a measure
 
How much of a difference is there between the high end knives like BM and low end knives like out of country Kershaws or the Rat 1?

Functionally, there is very little difference between $30 and $340. They all cut stuff. Some spendier steels can hold an edge longer. But not so long as to justify the 1000% price hike.

Aesthetically, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. If you love playing with a Sebenza, no one can say you are wrong.

Just don't get the two attributes confused. That happens quite a bit around here.
 
While there are some rare circumstances that legitimately call for a premium knife, most of us just buy nice knives because we like 'em. No justification needed, really. But being honest with yourself does really help you dig down and establish what it is you really want to get out of your tools. After all, if you consider personal satisfaction as one of the performance factors of your knife, one you like is "high performance" regardless of its other properties. It's just a matter of looking at what it does for you rather than what you do with it. :D
 
While there are some rare circumstances that legitimately call for a premium knife, most of us just buy nice knives because we like 'em. No justification needed, really. But being honest with yourself does really help you dig down and establish what it is you really want to get out of your tools. After all, if you consider personal satisfaction as one of the performance factors of your knife, one you like is "high performance" regardless of its other properties. It's just a matter of looking at what it does for you rather than what you do with it. :D

That's basically it .
All a knife has to be is ergonomic, have no blade play, and will be sharp or easily made sharp when it's time to cut something. weather its 20$ or 200$ anything in that range from a good company will be exactly that.
 
For me "high and low end" knives are purely price driven characterizations. You do get certain qualities with high end knives that you don't with low end blades. But since it is price driven, the point something becomes high end is a moving target. I consider my Spyderco Native 5 and ZT 0770CF high end knives. I consider most GEC made traditional knives, high end production traditionals. It is about price mostly.....
 
I am exactly the same way.

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I have and use Spyderco Salts, for instance, because ttey have a very specific role in my life (pool/beach and around the garden knives) that they excell at and perform way better than any other blade I could have. They see some use.

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But, as far as main EDC and things I do on a daily basis, a SAK has always been all I needed and more often than not were its other implements, not the blade, that made my day or solved the problem/situation.

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Even a simple bottle opener and screwdriver.

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They are inexpensive, but in no way cheap, and that's the reason Victorinox sells more knives per year than Spyderco, Benchmade, ZT, CRK and all those combined.

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Long live SAKs! :thumbup:

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Do the "Shiny Test":

Is your knife really shiny and lightweight? Then is either (A.) Flea Market Trash or (B.) A polished custom. Most knives that were polished to the point that the shine is obscene tend to be what you might call "Low End".

I also consider ANYTHING made in Pakistan to be below "Low End". Pakistan is going to be the new China in the next twenty years, mark my words.
 
In my life, I've delt with both.

When I was a young guy, I spent a lot of money on high end knives. Swore by Randall's and other customs. I was convinced that I was carrying the best knife available. I eventually sold them all off after a few very disappointing let downs with them. Then in my middle years while raising a family, I used "low end" cutlery and was very pleasantly surprised at the value and cutting ability of them. I think there is a lot of hype and outright sales bull hockey in the advertisement and promotion of a lot of products, especially knives.

A higher grade steel will cost a few more dollars per knife. Better fit and finish would accout for a few more dollars per knife. But when you get to more that three times the cost of a moderate priced knife, you're buying into the hype and snobbery of the thing. No matter if its a car, gun, or knife, function is the main thing. If it cuts that piece of rope, opened that burlap sack of feed, or strips the wire, then it's as good as it gets. It functioned. It did what it was supposed to do.

I see a lot of talk on this forum about "hard use" knives. I doubt very much that a lot of the people talking about that even know what "hard use" as in hard work really means. I had the opportunity to serve in the army for ten years in the combat engineers. We got to work with people all over the world doing construction projects under all kinds of conditions from North African desert to south east Asian jungle. The local people that were hired for labor were not a moneyed lot, and they showed up with anything from a Douk-Douk to a nameless local made knife by a local blacksmith. Opinels, Mercators, Camillus TL-29's, all were put to some "hard use" that went well past the boundaries that the manufactures ever dreamed of. I saw very few ever broke, in spite of outright abuse.

On the other hand my Randall 14 chipped twice on what I thought was mild use. A knot in a branch did some damage on a cold winter day, and it was an enlightening experience. As a sort of experiment I went back to using the more mundane cutlery I saw locals using. O[pinel's, Douk-Douk, Mora's. After a while of hanging on to the high end stuff, I finally admitted to myself that I didn't need them, and off they went to A.G. Russell's to be sold off. I never looked back.

High end stuff in general is an exercise in oneupmanship, pure and simple. Maybe in a single digit percent is there a real gain in performance, like in cars or aircraft. But in something like a knife, or screw driver, the user will never notice a difference in how it works. That piece of rope is never going to be able to tell if it was severed by a high end knife or an Opinel.

But…it it's what you like, then it's worthwhile. It's just like ice cream; if you like rocky road, mint chocolate chip just won't do. If you like scotch, a nice bourbon is a waste of liquor. Buy what you like because that's what you really like. There is no rationalization in spending three or four times the price for bragging rights. The only thing that matters is, is it what you like because that is where your taste is? If so, then fine. But if you're buying it because of the manufactures inflated claims, then you're most likely wasting your money. Way back then, I believed the hype about Randall knives, and later learned that the real world is somewhat different. Buy what you really like, not what you are told you need because it's the best thing in knives since we stopped using flint. You may be surprised at how ell those more mundane knives cut stuff.
Great post :thumbup:. A lot of good points made. I also see some of myself in it. And I found the part about serving in the combat engineers and the locals very interesting.

Regarding knives, and the people who love them, there is need, and then there is enthusiasm. Need, is the stuff we actually need a knife for. But enthusiasm takes many forms, like the fascination with the metallurgical composition of the steel, how many foot pounds of force the lock can withstand, how fast a knife can be opened with one hand, etc, etc.

I'd wager that for many in the knife community, including on this forum, their enthusiasm for knives is far greater than their need for knives. And that fact is reflected in their purchases.

But there's nothing wrong with that sort of enthusiasm. If it weren't for that type of enthusiasm, there probably wouldn't be a Bladeforums, and there probably wouldn't be such a variety of knives available to choose from. To each their own. Knives have value far beyond simple need. Our enthusiasm for knives gives us enjoyment.

I have need for quality knives, but I also have my share of enthusiasm for knives. I own far more knives than I could ever need, and although the Buck 110 that I received over 30 years ago could handle all of my folder needs, I choose to carry and use much more expensive "modern" knives.

As far as fixed-blades, for about the past decade I've been carrying a $300 knife, and it's served me very well. But I recently replaced it with a knife that cost $8.50 new. I didn't sell the $300 knife, I didn't lose it and it's not broken, it's still in perfect shape. I just felt like a change, I really like the $8.50 knife, and through use I have discovered that it serves all of my fixed-blade needs quite well.

I don't need to impress anyone with my knives or with how much money I spent. I have no interest in owning knives as "status symbols". And I consider myself fortunate that I am no longer afflicted by the belief that a knife has to be expensive in order to serve me well as a knife.
 
Like many people here, I've worked my way up the price ladder. I think my order of influence was: learning about and valuing certain brands, then premium materials (G10, CF, Ti, PM steels, etc.), then superior engineering/design, then specific features I find to be must haves, and then production/manufacturing excellence. It's been a fascinating adventure for me. And so far, my Shirogorov NeOn is the closest to EDC perfection I've experienced.
 
There is the good the bad and the ugly. Its a market with all the selling tools like hype to get you to buy. There is the junk, the average and the superb, at every price level.

Good practical performance really doesn't have to cost the earth. Some really superb tools for not that much. All the rest is the value you place on the "added factor" that makes you want to spend a premium. That premium could just for the art of the craftsman. Or you bought into the hype and fashion.

Lastly, every knife has some luck built in. The only way to test the luck is to use the tool until the luck runs out; the best keep on working. Sadly the vast majority of knives never really get the work. (A recent phenomenon is knives given abuse and tasks that they were never intended for; or designed for tasks that don't really exist in any real practical world).
 
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