Direware Hyper 90

Alpha Knife Supply said:
There is a big difference between over-hyped and a bubble.
Chuck
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You are correct my brother.

You remember Grant? He did the same thing to Onion knives that he is currently doing to Rexford....if the same 3 or 4 guys would stop trying to demonstrate who has more stupidity/bigger wallet/testosterone levels, that over-hype would diminish.

This Direware stuff, and any other maker who creates patterns like it? SOOOOOO over-hype....i mean...what does the knife do that a sharpened prybar that costs $8.00 at the hardware store cannot do?. Fold? Lock?. Folding Razel by CRKT makes more sense.

So.....it becomes this "grail" thing. A talisman to give one warm fuzzies and a sense of accomplishment.

My grail knife is a Loveless Dixon Fighter in stag with a double nude logo, signed sheath and no serial number scratched in. It took me twenty+ years to acquire one, and it was made weeks before Loveless died, it cost $9,000.00 which is more than I have ever paid for two other knives. For the record, it would probably be an excellent knife for stabbing/slashing....but I'll keep it mint.

So....I GET the "grail" thing....but these kids have been collecting knives for a few years, and their "grail" means they have to go to a show and enter a lottery to get it....that isn't even remotely the same.

The fact is that it is an instant gratification rush. They see it, they want it, they don't see how waiting years is going to benefit them, and I can't teach them the benefit of that, because they don't want to know the benefits of considering something for a serious length of time and having the commitment and patience to get it.

I feel much better now, time for a Maker's Mark!!!

Hope all is well with you guys, did you get my X-mas card?

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
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Kohai999 said:
So....I GET the "grail" thing....but these kids have been collecting knives for a few years, and their "grail" means they have to go to a show and enter a lottery to get it....that isn't even remotely the same.

The fact is that it is an instant gratification rush. They see it, they want it, they don't see how waiting years is going to benefit them, and I can't teach them the benefit of that.
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As someone who has only been into the hobby for a few years, this is some good food for thought. I never really thought about it, but I've only touched the tip of the iceberg in the knife world; there's a hell of a lot more out there. More makers and models beyond the latest fads.
 
Okay, I've read four pages of this`discussion and I finally went to the Direware website to educate myself about the subject knives.

Now, my main question is how the hell did they even get into this particular sub forum for discussion in the first place?

Wait, let me check again……..,..Yes it does say "Custom and Hand Made" on the front door. So how did this knife which is Mid Tech at the very best, if not a pure factory type knife even get past the impostor detector at the front door?

I'm not saying it's not worthy of discussion (although that's really what I think….just not coming outside the parenthesis to say it);) but perhaps it would be best served in one of the many other sub forums available here on Blade Forums.

I have to admit I am a proud card carrying Custom/Handmade knife SNOB and I PERSONALLY don't take kindly to the mid tech and factory stuff with aftermarket scales or a jeweled thumb stud being called a "custom" and taking up space here.

I have more to say about the original poster in this thread but he's already be banned so that's a moot point.

Paul
 
If you ask yourself what you will actually use the knife for, you will avoid a lot of overpriced, overhyped, paperweights. After buying one of each type of user knife and maybe moving on up in materials and workmanship, you can think about collecting.

Isn't that what most people go through buying cars through their lifetime? It's easier to get carried away with knives because even high-priced knives aren't generally prohibitively expensive. But at some point you have to ask what you really want it for.
 
SharpByCoop said:
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For a real example of my desire, I had Jens Anso make me a custom fixed blade years ago:

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Coop
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Coop, that's a cutie right there sir!!! very kool
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Kohai999 said:
You are correct my brother.

You remember Grant? He did the same thing to Onion knives that he is currently doing to Rexford....if the same 3 or 4 guys would stop trying to demonstrate who has more stupidity/bigger wallet/testosterone levels, that over-hype would diminish.

This Direware stuff, and any other maker who creates patterns like it? SOOOOOO over-hype....i mean...what does the knife do that a sharpened prybar that costs $8.00 at the hardware store cannot do?. Fold? Lock?. Folding Razel by CRKT makes more sense.

So.....it becomes this "grail" thing. A talisman to give one warm fuzzies and a sense of accomplishment.

My grail knife is a Loveless Dixon Fighter in stag with a double nude logo, signed sheath and no serial number scratched in. It took me twenty+ years to acquire one, and it was made weeks before Loveless died, it cost $9,000.00 which is more than I have ever paid for two other knives. For the record, it would probably be an excellent knife for stabbing/slashing....but I'll keep it mint.

So....I GET the "grail" thing....but these kids have been collecting knives for a few years, and their "grail" means they have to go to a show and enter a lottery to get it....that isn't even remotely the same.

The fact is that it is an instant gratification rush. They see it, they want it, they don't see how waiting years is going to benefit them, and I can't teach them the benefit of that, because they don't want to know the benefits of considering something for a serious length of time and having the commitment and patience to get it.

I feel much better now, time for a Maker's Mark!!!

Hope all is well with you guys, did you get my X-mas card?

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
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We aren't all bad ;)

I've been into knives for about six years, but didn't start taking the hobby seriously until four years ago.

My grail folder is a Burnley kwaiken flipper in full orange peel ti with a hand satin blade. Took me just over two years to find one. Even if I had stumbled across it in the beginning, I wouldn't have been able to afford it anyway. Patience isn't a lost virtue, however I can't agree with you more about the instant gratification mindset that consumes most people my age.

Don't give up hope on us twenty-something degenerates. I have learned invaluable lessons during my time on BladeForums, I listen to my elders and I do know what it's like to earn it. Of course it wasn't anywhere close to twenty years, but it's not a Loveless either. :)

I'm happy you got yours, I'm sure she's a beaut!

Cheers to your Makers Mark! My glass is full of the old standby, WT Rare Breed.
 
Direware is a hot Heavy Metal band in the knife industry. Some love Heavy Metal. Others don't. It is not fair to state: Direware = Tacticool = baggy shorts and fat bellies = Direware. None of the guys I know that own and love Direware knives fit this description (the exact opposite). To state that "Special Ops" guys won't carry this is also moot as it's never to my knowledge been promoted as a tool to be used by "Special Ops" operators. Strawman.

The impression created here is that those who like and owns Direware knives are fat ignorant newbies to be frowned upon.

Can we not allow people to like what they like and buy/own what they like? When a guy posts here to show a new acquisition that he is proud of can we not be happy with and for him? Is it necessary that we tell him his choices are poor and that he will one day come to his senses? If we do not have something good to say is it not better to just not reply?

I am of the opinion that the OP was poorly treated here.
 
Doug C said:
Not in my opinion, it is better to educate. :)
YMMV.

Doug
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Should education not be a positive experience where the person to be educated is treated with dignity and respect? Should one not take the one to be educated with you on a journey of discovery?

And educate to what goal? To be a copy of the educator? To agree with the educators personal tastes and opinions? If I like Renoir but my student loves Salvador Dali should I educate Salvador Dali out of my student?

I like Direware and I like Salvador Dali. I know a lot of people don't. But so be it. I have no right to want to educate everyone around me to rather like what I like and dislike what I dislike.
 
For me and my personal preferences I'd rather own a Jeremy Marsh Vanquish or GTC Airborne, or a Strider custom than some custom Loveless style decked out in Stag and damascus that cost upwards of $10 grand. I just don't find those knives attractive at all but I do get the amazing craftsmanship and quality that goes into a blade like that. Now is someone going to school me and tell me why I should like the latter instead of what I personally like....hell no.
 
Dont want to derail this thread too much but it kind of pertains to the overall topic now but knowing this subforum is more geared towards the classic style hand made custom fixed blades, or at least thats what I gather from my short time here, - but I wanted to get the take among regulars here of what they think of the use of CNC when it comes to custom made knives. Does it have a place among the customs realm or should it be categorized as something else.
 
sheathmaker said:
Now, my main question is how the hell did they even get into this particular sub forum for discussion in the first place?

Wait, let me check again……..,..Yes it does say "Custom and Hand Made" on the front door. So how did this knife which is Mid Tech at the very best, if not a pure factory type knife even get past the impostor detector at the front door?
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Are you volunteering to verify every knife posted in this sub forum meets your criteria?

How do you know the knives are Mid Tech? What is your definition of Mid Tech? Is your definition now the universal definition?

The tenor of your post surprised me. I did not expect an elitist attitude from you.

Chuck
 
Nellem said:
I am of the opinion that the OP was poorly treated here.
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Based on what? I can't find a single example of where he was personally mistreated. Not even after he got himself banned.

Steven (and others) said what they disliked or even hated about the knife he posted. If someone posts a picture of a knife, others aren't allowed to say that they hate it? But they would be allowed to say that they love it or it's awesome. I would think adults should be able to discuss knives and their opinions of them without someone unfairly reading between the lines and taking it as a personal attack.

Steven said he hated the knife and listed several (very valid) reasons why. He didn't say "I hate the knife, and you're stupid and your momma is ugly." The OP took that personal and started to act like a jerk.

Twice, once here on this forum and once at a show in person, I've had Steven tell me he HATED something about one of my knives. It didn't offend me at all. It was something he personally didn't like about a KNIFE! I've found Steven to be honest and straightforward, polite, intelligent and even....SHOCKER....friendly! :D

He has very strong opinions about knives but I have to say, I seldom disagree with his opinions on knives. And I don't know that I personally can recall a single time where he's attacked someone personally. He has a LOT of experience and advice to offer to those who will listen. He has enough experience to be on the judging panel at the Blade Show. Maybe a few more people should listen and not get so defensive.

Anyway, Steven doesn't need me or anyone else to defend him. I guess I just offered that as a counter to the statement I quoted at the start of this post. I don't see where the OP was mistreated at all.
 
evanPGH said:
We aren't all bad ;)

I've been into knives for about six years, but didn't start taking the hobby seriously until four years ago.

My grail folder is a Burnley kwaiken flipper in full orange peel ti with a hand satin blade. Took me just over two years to find one. Even if I had stumbled across it in the beginning, I wouldn't have been able to afford it anyway. Patience isn't a lost virtue, however I can't agree with you more about the instant gratification mindset that consumes most people my age.

Don't give up hope on us twenty-something degenerates. I have learned invaluable lessons during my time on BladeForums, I listen to my elders and I do know what it's like to earn it. Of course it wasn't anywhere close to twenty years, but it's not a Loveless either. :)

I'm happy you got yours, I'm sure she's a beaut!

Cheers to your Makers Mark! My glass is full of the old standby, WT Rare Breed.
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Evan

Lucas's table was the busiest table at the last NY/NJ show and it too dig his folding Kwaikens

Great design
 
Alpha Knife Supply said:
Are you volunteering to verify every knife posted in this sub forum meets your criteria?

How do you know the knives are Mid Tech? What is your definition of Mid Tech? Is your definition now the universal definition?

The tenor of your post surprised me. I did not expect an elitist attitude from you.

Chuck
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Chuck

Paul's not an elitist

He doesn't like anyone :)

All kidding aside are you suprised of Paul's opinion of a 2 pound folder :)

Hand any 80 year old a folding knife that carries that kind of weight and I think you might get the same response

Love Ya Paul happy New Year
 
evanPGH said:
We aren't all bad ;)

I've been into knives for about six years, but didn't start taking the hobby seriously until four years ago.

My grail folder is a Burnley kwaiken flipper in full orange peel ti with a hand satin blade. Took me just over two years to find one. Even if I had stumbled across it in the beginning, I wouldn't have been able to afford it anyway. Patience isn't a lost virtue, however I can't agree with you more about the instant gratification mindset that consumes most people my age.

Don't give up hope on us twenty-something degenerates. I have learned invaluable lessons during my time on BladeForums, I listen to my elders and I do know what it's like to earn it. Of course it wasn't anywhere close to twenty years, but it's not a Loveless either. :)

I'm happy you got yours, I'm sure she's a beaut!
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Awww man!!

Lucas is the HEAT!!....smart, seriously good to everyone and makes a HECK of a knife. Set my shop on fire grinding on his Boker version of the folding kwaiken(didn't like the thong hole) showed it to him, and all he could say was "nice job".

The implication was not(and I'm sorry if you took it that way) that all the youngsters have their heads packed up their butts and just refuse to learn.

It's the cult of personality that seems to drive a lot of the hype....and I have talked about it a lot here....not to pick on him (again) but I have yet to see a Jeremy Marsh knife that doesn't look like a folding banana. When I ask people who are showing them to me, the first thing they say is that Jeremy is a great guy. FOR ME, it's supposed to be about the knife first....but for a lot of the "kids" it's about the camaraderie and "the love".

To reiterate....everyone is free to buy the knives they want to buy.....and everyone else is free to make fun of them, if it is a goofy knife in their opinion. I have friends, acquaintances and people who heard my name on BFC make fun of choices that I have made quite frequently....and guess what??? I don't care about that either....but when they stop laughing, I can at least explain WHY I got the knife, and these days, it is almost never because the maker is a "great guy".

Congrats on your Burnley, I'd like to see a pic of it sometime.
Nellem said:
Direware is a hot Heavy Metal band in the knife industry. Some love Heavy Metal. Others don't. It is not fair to state: Direware = Tacticool = baggy shorts and fat bellies = Direware. None of the guys I know that own and love Direware knives fit this description (the exact opposite). To state that "Special Ops" guys won't carry this is also moot as it's never to my knowledge been promoted as a tool to be used by "Special Ops" operators. Strawman.

The impression created here is that those who like and owns Direware knives are fat ignorant newbies to be frowned upon.

Can we not allow people to like what they like and buy/own what they like? When a guy posts here to show a new acquisition that he is proud of can we not be happy with and for him? Is it necessary that we tell him his choices are poor and that he will one day come to his senses? If we do not have something good to say is it not better to just not reply?

I am of the opinion that the OP was poorly treated here.
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Ahhhhhhh....The Metal!!!

Mr. Nellem, I am one Death Metal Lovin' Dude.....currently switch around between Children of Bodom, DevilDriver, Lamb Of God, Neurosis and Static-X....with a whole lotta stuff mixed in.

Lovin' Dali as well, but favorite artists are H.R. Giger and Robert Williams.

I don't think Direware makes a refined tactical or even a particularly good knife.

People are certainly free to buy whatever they want, and while I would never randomly go up to a stranger and make fun of a knife they purchased....that didn't happen here.

Someone posted it on BFC in the Customs and Handmade s/f, and I commented on it....only on the knife, and didn't say ANY of the stuff that has come out after he got himself BANNED. He didn't even get banned for his stupid PM, he got banned because he set up one account and another account a week later in a different name, and the rules on that are quite clear.
reapinItUP said:
Dont want to derail this thread too much but it kind of pertains to the overall topic now but knowing this subforum is more geared towards the classic style hand made custom fixed blades, or at least thats what I gather from my short time here, - but I wanted to get the take among regulars here of what they think of the use of CNC when it comes to custom made knives. Does it have a place among the customs realm or should it be categorized as something else.
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I personally have no problem with CNC and the latest knives I picked up, Typhoon knives from Brian Nadeau(2014 Blade Show Tactical and Best New Maker award winner) were made with CNC. I like to know HOW the maker made the knife, and then I have a choice. Will usually tend towards a knife that has a lot of handwork in it, even if the maker started with a CNC.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
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Once again, my completely inappropriate analogy is forthcoming:

C&HK is kinda like a Classic Rock station with some modern hits. Rap? Dance? Pop? None of it makes sense to us. Unusable music. These artist are conceived to be in a bubble.

However, tell that to my son (12) or to Pitbull. I bought my son 'Stairway to Heaven'. He's not played it on his own yet. Irrelevant to HIM.

"No one needs a Custom Knife -- they have to WANT it." Hype is real. Collectors fuel this industry, and users are bystanders. Hype = sales.

There are real reasons STeven has pointed out why the OP's knife is technically imperfect. I could submit it's the same as my son's taste in music. :grumpy:

Change is imminent. :thumbup: Classics will remain classics until the next generation replaces them.

Pundits: Fire away. :eek:

(Edit: posted before STevens ^^^ response. LOL!)

Coop
 
STeven, our tastes in art are the same (Dali, Giger and Williams) but those bands of yours ... heck no ... that's way too heavy for me ... way heavier than Direware ... LOL!
 
I would really appreciate it if STeven would post pictures of some of his favorite knives and explain different aspects and why he likes them. I think it would be very beneficial and at the same time very educational for all of us. I don't know if this is the appropriate thread, if not feel free to open a new one. If it is too much to ask I can understand.
 
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