DMT DIA-Sharp ?

miltmaldo

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I'm looking to buy the 6 inch two sided DMT-Dia sharp set . Is the a better option out there . Looking to spend between $80 to $120 . Any advise will be helpful .

Thanks
 
I think you should look at the 8in DMT stones in Coarse and Fine, and a tube of DMT 1 micron paste. Then go to the Hardware store and buy a 2-3 inch wide strip of balsa wood, get a decent thickness, something 1/8th inch or more. Apply the paste (just a dab will do ya) to the balsa wood and BAM! you have a strop.

I recommend the 8in stone size because it allows for faster sharpening with a full natural movement while the width offers better stability of the blade on the sharpening surface. Larger stones make sharpening faster and easier.

I recommend the Coarse and Fine because I believe that is all you really need. Maybe a XXC 120 for serious bevel setting and fixing damage but the Coarse and Fine can handle pretty much any sharpening task. The Coarse DMT is a favorite of mine for sharpening my EDC knives. It can quickly sharpen a dulled bevel and with a soft touch can produce sharpness that is truly amazing. The Fine stone just adds to it and allows you to refine the edge further for those times when the Coarse is a little too coarse for the blade (some steels like a little more refinement). Beyond the Fine I think you really start to diminish your returns, it makes the edge more polished but performance starts to take a big cut. The loaded strop is another contributing factor, it will greatly refine both the Coarse and Fine edges allowing for extremely sharp cutting edges. This is different from just using a finer stone because it polishes the more toothy Coarse and Fined Diamond edges increasing sharpness but not overly smoothing out the apex. When you make the scratch pattern too fine you begin to lose bite when trying to cut tough materials which leads to a loss of blade control. If too polished the blade tends to pop through suddenly, the lack of tooth in the edge will have a hard time starting the cut but once started it will plow through the material in a sudden and unexpected movement.

My rec and reason ^
 
I don't know about the vidbrosuk product but DMT is good quality for the most part. My all-time favourite is the DMT coarse. I strop after on denim with mother's mag if needed. I have problems with it on some softer stainless steel knives with burr formation but the denim strop takes care of that. I agree, for home sharpening bigger is better. For maintenance when outdoors (I hardly ever stay long enough outdoors to actually need it) I use the DMT coarse credit card and/or the white/brown spyderco ceramic for "touch ups". A good outdoor solution would be the 4 inch DMT stone and Spyderco's double stuff.
 
Jason B. said:
I think you should look at the 8in DMT stones in Coarse and Fine, and a tube of DMT 1 micron paste. Then go to the Hardware store and buy a 2-3 inch wide strip of balsa wood, get a decent thickness, something 1/8th inch or more. Apply the paste (just a dab will do ya) to the balsa wood and BAM! you have a strop.

I recommend the 8in stone size because it allows for faster sharpening with a full natural movement while the width offers better stability of the blade on the sharpening surface. Larger stones make sharpening faster and easier.

I recommend the Coarse and Fine because I believe that is all you really need. Maybe a XXC 120 for serious bevel setting and fixing damage but the Coarse and Fine can handle pretty much any sharpening task. The Coarse DMT is a favorite of mine for sharpening my EDC knives. It can quickly sharpen a dulled bevel and with a soft touch can produce sharpness that is truly amazing. The Fine stone just adds to it and allows you to refine the edge further for those times when the Coarse is a little too coarse for the blade (some steels like a little more refinement). Beyond the Fine I think you really start to diminish your returns, it makes the edge more polished but performance starts to take a big cut. The loaded strop is another contributing factor, it will greatly refine both the Coarse and Fine edges allowing for extremely sharp cutting edges. This is different from just using a finer stone because it polishes the more toothy Coarse and Fined Diamond edges increasing sharpness but not overly smoothing out the apex. When you make the scratch pattern too fine you begin to lose bite when trying to cut tough materials which leads to a loss of blade control. If too polished the blade tends to pop through suddenly, the lack of tooth in the edge will have a hard time starting the cut but once started it will plow through the material in a sudden and unexpected movement.

My rec and reason ^
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Wish I knew 1/16 of what you know about sharpening, I read and learn from all of your posts thanks for taking the time!!
 
Jason B. said:
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Jason, it'd be cool if you could try out the venev diamond hones. I know you like diamonds for certain applications. These venev hones, IME, are as good as DMT and much cheaper. They're not quite as aesthetically refined as DMT hones but they work really freaking well. They also offer up to 15,000 grit hones which I don't believe DMT offers. They offer diamond pastes and whatnot which I haven't used so I can't speak about. It's kind of harsh seeing guys recommend DMT and Atoma knowing they're really expensive without offering a cheaper option that works just as well. They also have a good warranty where they'll refund purchase price and shipping if found to have a manufacturing defect which is pretty good. I don't have any stake in their business or anything. I just know they're good and not really known in the US. They're really popular in Russia and eastern Europe and those guys are just as serious about this stuff as we are. There's a good reason for them being popular over there. They're decently cheap, work well, and offer a wide range of sizes and diamond concentrations to suit whatever. I haven't seen any company offer comparable products in the US for the price.
 
Bodog, can you help translate what that page is saying about grit sizes? I used the google translate, but I have no idea what a given diamond plate they sell has for a micron rating. For example, the stone priced at 1810 rubles, the micron rating given is 200/160-160/125. What does all of that mean??? 200micron? 160? 125? Another example, the very top left stone on the list, it says 3/ 2-1 /0. I have no idea what means.
 
samuraistuart said:
Bodog, can you help translate what that page is saying about grit sizes? I used the google translate, but I have no idea what a given diamond plate they sell has for a micron rating. For example, the stone priced at 1810 rubles, the micron rating given is 200/160-160/125. What does all of that mean??? 200micron? 160? 125? Another example, the very top left stone on the list, it says 3/ 2-1 /0. I have no idea what means.
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There's a grit comparison chart under helpful info and I had to download a free currency converter app on my android. I've used it multiple times to order several things from that side of the world. As far as the grit sizes I had to write things down to remember and once I got the stones I wrote the grit size on the end of the bar with an arrow pointing to the relevant side so I could refer to it later without needing to look at the chart. Makes it easier for me. The size they're using is the third column from the left until the finer grits and the columns combine.

Also, the lengths are listed like 230h60h20. That's basically saying 230 mm x 60 mm x 20 mm


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And here's 1810 p (which is like the dollar sign for rubles)

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And they offer 25%, 50%, and 100% diamond concentrations. They explain why under FAQs.

And they're double sided hones so 200/160-160/125 would be 200/160 (80 grit) on one side and 160/125 (100 grit) on the other. I think that most of their hones are a little more sensibly spaced out than the one you're referring to.

3/2-1/0 would be 5000 grit on one side and 15000 on the other.
 
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Here's what I have. Edge pro sizes on the left (Chinese stone on the far left, ez lap next to it, and two double sided vid hones on the right.

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I've use these to put the edge bevels on 15V, K390, Rex 121, and Vanadis 10 knives. For anyone who knows these are some of the most wear resistant steels out there, let alone regular knife steels. And when I say I put edge bevels on, that's what i mean. Not reprofiling or whatever. As in the blades didn't have an edge at all and these stones put one on them. That's a lot of steel to remove. The knife pictured was one. That's 15V at 62 RC.
 
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They look interesting but not wide enough for my tastes. If they were 2.5in wide or > I would consider them.
 
miltmaldo said:
I'm looking to buy the 6 inch two sided DMT-Dia sharp set . Is the a better option out there . Looking to spend between $80 to $120 . Any advise will be helpful .

Thanks
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I have that plate and its a good buy - I got mine on sale, cannot remember exactly. The 6x2 is somewhat small, but the stone in question makes a good travel tool, and OK for the bench if you don't do a lot of sharpening.
 
It's not worth the time and risk for me to order those plates. Plus they are narrow.
Just like I am hesitant to order the knIves from the eastern bloc makers on here.
High carbide steels, nice designs, great prices. But I am not comfortable dealing with the customs risk, the wait, and general anxiety surrounding the deal.
Bodog, why don't you order a bunch of these in bulk, and resell at a profit? I would try one from you I am sure, even though they are narrow.
I currently have every 8 by 3 dmt, and three of the large aToma plates. I also have 6 shapton glass which I love. They are all great and I bought them after much research.
I would suggest that the 8 by 3 is more flexible than the 6 inch size, especially when doing kitchen knives.
Jason sharpens professionally and saving a few bucks on a narrow plate is not the way to go for him.
I buy my dmt plates from a company many hate on BF and they are cheap and the company always treats me well.
RUSS
 
mycough said:
When I buy them they are less than 53, and they are dmt, a known commodity.
Russ
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Do you buy double sided continuous plated DMTs for less than 53? All of the double sided 8 x 3 + DMT hones I've seen are about 90 bucks. You may be talking about the single sided DMT hones? The VID hones I'm talking about are two sided, not one. Atomas, single sided, are $110 or more. And Venev Industrial Diamonds are also a known commodity, just not in the US.

At one time DMT was an unknown commodity. Same with every other business. Look at Shirogorov, until recently they were unknown and now there's a strong push for them. You know, nevermind. Don't buy VID hones. If people in the US start buying them the price will inevitably increase.
 
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Jason B. said:
I think you should look at the 8in DMT stones in Coarse and Fine, and a tube of DMT 1 micron paste. Then go to the Hardware store and buy a 2-3 inch wide strip of balsa wood, get a decent thickness, something 1/8th inch or more. Apply the paste (just a dab will do ya) to the balsa wood and BAM! you have a strop.

I recommend the 8in stone size because it allows for faster sharpening with a full natural movement while the width offers better stability of the blade on the sharpening surface. Larger stones make sharpening faster and easier.

I recommend the Coarse and Fine because I believe that is all you really need. Maybe a XXC 120 for serious bevel setting and fixing damage but the Coarse and Fine can handle pretty much any sharpening task. The Coarse DMT is a favorite of mine for sharpening my EDC knives. It can quickly sharpen a dulled bevel and with a soft touch can produce sharpness that is truly amazing. The Fine stone just adds to it and allows you to refine the edge further for those times when the Coarse is a little too coarse for the blade (some steels like a little more refinement). Beyond the Fine I think you really start to diminish your returns, it makes the edge more polished but performance starts to take a big cut. The loaded strop is another contributing factor, it will greatly refine both the Coarse and Fine edges allowing for extremely sharp cutting edges. This is different from just using a finer stone because it polishes the more toothy Coarse and Fined Diamond edges increasing sharpness but not overly smoothing out the apex. When you make the scratch pattern too fine you begin to lose bite when trying to cut tough materials which leads to a loss of blade control. If too polished the blade tends to pop through suddenly, the lack of tooth in the edge will have a hard time starting the cut but once started it will plow through the material in a sudden and unexpected movement.

My rec and reason ^
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Thanks for your reply . Now looking into buying the 8" . Will the micron paste work the cowhide ?
 
bodog said:
Do you buy double sided continuous plated DMTs for less than 53? All of the double sided 8 x 3 + DMT hones I've seen are about 90 bucks. You may be talking about the single sided DMT hones? The VID hones I'm talking about are two sided, not one. Atomas, single sided, are $110 or more. And Venev Industrial Diamonds are also a known commodity, just not in the US.

At one time DMT was an unknown commodity. Same with every other business. Look at Shirogorov, until recently they were unknown and now there's a strong push for them. You know, nevermind. Don't buy VID hones. If people in the US start buying them the price will inevitably increase.
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You are not reading what I wrote. I never said they were 2 sided. The Russian plates are too narrow, and they are not worth the hassle for me.
Buy a few, let me know when you get them, and I will buy one from you at a 5$ profit.
If I love it, I will tell everyone, I promise. Some thing lower grit please, top grit under 1000.
PM me if you can get me one.
Thanks, Russ
 
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