Do people try to remove your knives from your pocket without asking?

Only hot redheads are allowed to reach into my pockets for "stuff".
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That might work! :thumbup:

Not ever. And since two of my pockets usually contain firearms, attempting to reach into any of them would be met with a significantly violent response.
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More along the lines of my probable response.

I have a life long friend who tries to swipe my knife but because he is such a bear of a man he's just not that stealthy but being a friend he still has a few straight blades that he has 'borrowed' over the last 30 years or so. Luckily he still surprises me with prime cuts of various game beasts. Of course that usually involves me buying beer and cooking said game.

As an adult student I have had 2 or 3 male classmates try it but it ended badly for the last guy (He was behind me on the stairs and made a grab and I instinctively 'Mule Kicked' his ass down about 9 steps to the landing resulting in various contusions and abrasions and when I saw that he had dropped the knife and it's handle was chipped I 'accidentally' broke 3 of his fingers when I stomped on his balled up fist, yes he was coming after me for booting his ass. Nobody grabbed anything of mine after that.) but the first 2 only got a good talking to. I have, lately, learned to drop the knife down into my pocket when in a bar crowd or just keep it in my hand and drink left handed.
 
I find it disturbing that everyone here who says they have had someone try to take a knife from their pockets reacted with immediate violence, taking pride they had hurt someone and/or finding it funny that they did. I can understand grabbing a wrist to stop them but escalating the encounter with harm to the person, and then bragging about it....mmmm....not to sure what to make of that. As I stated earlier in the post I do my best to maintain my personal space but it isn't out of fear of someone grabbing my pocket knife, I feel it is just improper to crowd people when it is unnecessary.

Zero_Time said:
Alright, so different question for you guys then: how do most of your friends/easy acquaintances know you? As a slightly threatening, standoffish person you wouldn't want to mess with? A recluse? A normal guy that doesn't let anyone get within a 3' bubble of them?
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I do have a large number of acquaintances, I try to keep the same "bubble" of personal space with them as I do with anyone else. That bubble isn't a set size but depends on the surrounding we are in at the time. My friends, well I think I need to define the word first, it means different things to different people. To me a friend is someone I would stand back to back with with complete faith they would protect my six without fail, they are someone I would loan cash to without question, they would do the same for me. In other words a friend is someone I would trust explicitly. I can count the number of my friends on my hands. My friends are welcome inside of my "bubble" but as a general rule they don't violate my space without cause. If one of them reached for my pocket I would allow it knowing there was a damn good reason that they would explain to me later.

I stay alert when in public, people do notice this even if only on a subconscious level. I do think that most people can sense who they can crowd and who dislikes it and follow that instinct. As for social situations I maintain that alertness even when my "bubble" shrinks in size. As a general rule most don't even get to see there is a knife clipped in my pocket. Because I carry at least two handguns anytime I am out of the house I dress to conceal them. The same clothes that conceal my handguns also covers the top of my pockets. I don't flash my guns in public nor do I flash my knifes. If i need to use it I use it but I don't make a production of throwing back my vest, drawing the knife and theatrically flipping it open. I open it quietly, use it and put it away, most people don't even notice I used a knife.

I don't know anyone who has had a person try to take a knife from their pocket without asking, perhaps I just hang around with a different crowd....lol. I think most would react to it in the same way I would, gently stop the person if possible, if not create distance then ask what the person was doing. If they give an innocent answer such as the wanted to borrow it to cut something I would explain I don't loan my knives and ask fr it back, if I feel the are up to something less than legal I would take the appropriate measures but I would never react with a knee jerk resort to harm.
 
Only my wife but I kind a like her hand in my pocket so I let it slide! :D

STR
 
Any dummy would ASK first - that's like picking a person's pocket and a violaton of "personal space" - and most of the clip knives I carry "wave" - I've got this old Benchmade "Specwar" which really waves - but no one was crazy enough to grab for it.
Revvie
 
ha only one time. But she was smoking hot and I had just scene her spinning a bali. By far the sexiest thing I've ever scene. Shame my wife was standing there when she reached in my pocket though.
 
Zero_Time said:
Alright, so different question for you guys then: how do most of your friends/easy acquaintances know you? As a slightly threatening, standoffish person you wouldn't want to mess with? A recluse? A normal guy that doesn't let anyone get within a 3' bubble of them?

Thing is, I never really have violent interactions, because when it gets near that point, the person realizes that I'm no pushover. But normally, I try to be an affable, gregarious, and vibrant guy, and I think I do it rather effectively, but when it comes time for something to happen, the wolves lope off to the shadows...

People do sometimes get close to me, as I like to talk at length, but I am always tactically aware, with my radar doing a constant sweep of my surroundings, including behind me, and my focus is always moving but at the ready for anyone I engage in close quarters interactions with. When I'm talking with someone, I find it hard to have conversations at 3 feet, 2 feet makes more sense to me, especially when I'm sitting down in a classroom or in a cafeteria, it sort of is hard to not have people nearby, e.g., you tell a person no, you can't sit there and someone else comes in, the class is full, you're sitting with a large group of friends..?

So question is guys: what is your normal comfort zone- 3,4,10 feet? And how often do you interact with people you don't know for extended periods? Do you ever encounter problems setting the comfort zone? Are any of you guys active on the mating scene, and if so, how do you handle it? I feel that a lot of advice is good, but it is more oriented to established early forties and older with an established social circle where anyone outside doesn't feel obligated to be included. In my case, I don't have an established career, family, and friends (they're always graduating, leaving, etc.), and so I have to leave some fluidity to allow new friends, romances, and career opportunities open. Do you have any advice for seeming normal, open to new experiences, and non-threatening? Or is it all part and parcel? I might get some advice later this month (one of the hottest and coolest women I ever met told me after we went back to her place for the first time that she wouldn't have let me in had she not had a gun there...:thumbup: I'm going to see her for a bit this summer :D:D)
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Well maybe i got somethin gwrong, but: Take care of your ass. Be awake.

Yes i do know ppl, who never seem to respect personal distances. I call them dogpeople, putting their noses in anything without hesitation.

But they can be kept on distance. It´s up to you, really. Let the eyes speak, not the balls.

No, i never had any "violent interactions" too.

It´sn ot that hard.
 
Absintheur said:
I find it disturbing that everyone here who says they have had someone try to take a knife from their pockets reacted with immediate violence, taking pride they had hurt someone and/or finding it funny that they did. I can understand grabbing a wrist to stop them but escalating the encounter with harm to the person, and then bragging about it....mmmm....not to sure what to make of that. As I stated earlier in the post I do my best to maintain my personal space but it isn't out of fear of someone grabbing my pocket knife, I feel it is just improper to crowd people when it is unnecessary. ...
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If you stick your hand in my pocket expect to get severely 'crowded.' I am only proud that I successfully defended 'my personal space' against people who obviously have no idea what that is. Funny? Yes, it's funny looking back on it 10 years later. Disturbing? Improper? This ain't Ballroom Dancing, I may be holding your wrist but if I don't sense immediate submission I'm gonna 'Do see do' some 'harm' your way and it's a bet you won't be the one doing the bragging. The cost of Freedom is constant vigilance.

Words you will never hear me say: "Pardon me sir but is that your hand in my pocket?"
 
Absintheur said:
I find it disturbing that everyone here who says they have had someone try to take a knife from their pockets reacted with immediate violence, taking pride they had hurt someone and/or finding it funny that they did. I can understand grabbing a wrist to stop them but escalating the encounter with harm to the person, and then bragging about it....mmmm....not to sure what to make of that. As I stated earlier in the post I do my best to maintain my personal space but it isn't out of fear of someone grabbing my pocket knife, I feel it is just improper to crowd people when it is unnecessary.
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That's the response I was looking for. Being the one who posted that people try to take my things, I didn't feel I could come out and say as strongly as you did that intentional violence isn't something I find funny. I try to do the same too, and people respect that until they don't, at which point I use some light joint control tactics to make them stop. But all this "yeah, and they won't mess with me again..." I don't like the idea of having to deal with getting kicked out of schools, work, etc. over stupid things. Unless it comes to a self defense situation, I don't do violence. If it comes to that, then they will NEVER do anything to me again. But I don't like to have to get to that point.
Absintheur said:
I do have a large number of acquaintances, I try to keep the same "bubble" of personal space with them as I do with anyone else. [...] explain to me later.
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Same deal here. You appear to be a gentleman sir, and I very much respect your insight and opinions.

Absintheur said:
I stay alert when in public, [..]Because I carry at least two handguns anytime[...] most people don't even notice I used a knife.
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I actually do the same myself, again, as I said, all these were ATTEMPTS without success. I do my best to stay alert and maintain a personal radar, clocking everyone in front, behind, their velocity if they are moving, etc. People can close distance between them and myself, it's a physical fact of life, just like the fact that chairs hold me up. When someone makes a move towards me, I go onto a higher level of awareness. My question was coming from the fact that there were some posters who said "If they can touch me or close the distance to touch me, they're too close!" which, as long as you don't have personal Secret Service or bouncers, I didn't really see as possible.

Absintheur said:
I don't know anyone who has had a person try to take a knife from their pocket without asking, perhaps I just hang around with a different crowd....lol. I think most would react to it in the same way I would, gently stop the person if possible, if not create distance then ask what the person was doing. If they give an innocent answer such as the wanted to borrow it to cut something I would explain I don't loan my knives and ask fr it back, if I feel the are up to something less than legal I would take the appropriate measures but I would never react with a knee jerk resort to harm.
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Yeah, the people I hang with are sorta kooky (again, the people mentioned are NOT friends, or my choice of people to spend time with, so please, all suggestions otherwise are inane). I think it's quite simply curiosity: I never lend a knife out basically, and ask what they want cut, etc., but they still reach over to take a look. The most recent guy has other reasons to be doing it; I won't go into it, but suffice to say, I'm always cautious when he's around.


mhawg said:
If you stick your hand in my pocket expect to get severely 'crowded.' I am only proud that I successfully defended 'my personal space' against people who obviously have no idea what that is. Funny? Yes, it's funny looking back on it 10 years later.
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The only exception I'm taking to this is that this policy wouldn't fly nowadays, unless it was the particular scenario of 2 on one, and you SAY you thought you were getting jumped. My thing is, as an instant reaction towards violence, one small hand doesn't do it. Do other things, especially when you get the jump on me? No doubt. If any of these encounters hadn't unfolded in a way I knew what was going on before they completed their action, there well nigh may have been injuries. But if the guy is DIRECTLY in front of you, about three and a half feet out, and then leans in off-balance, it's sorta hard to say it's threatening.
mhawg said:
Disturbing? Improper? This ain't Ballroom Dancing, I may be holding your wrist but if I don't sense immediate submission I'm gonna 'Do see do' some 'harm' your way and it's a bet you won't be the one doing the bragging. The cost of Freedom is constant vigilance.

Words you will never hear me say: "Pardon me sir but is that your hand in my pocket?"[/B]
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 And I wouldn't expect you to, and I don't think Absintheur would either. It's the initial "any contact equals immediate and swift beat-downs" that I believe is the concern hear. Maybe that works in your neighborhood, or your house, I don't know. The places I go, most people are squeamish about guns, so the idea of self defense isn't very high on their radar, meaning that any violent action should be verifiably justified.
Zero
 
Back to the original post, my answer is no. For someone that I know very well they would get a "verbal" reprimand for trying to grab a knife from my pocket without asking. If someone I don't know "attempted" to remove a knife from my pocket is: 1) attempting to steal from me, 2) attempting to steal from me and attempt bodily injury to my person, in which case they would reach with their hand and pull back a stub.
 
If I see someone with a knife in their pocket, I always run up and snatch it. It is an excellent chance to display my catlike ninja skills. If the knife is nice, I throw a smoke bomb and flit away into the shadows with my new prize. If the knife is crappy, I fight them using my ninja hand claws and special boots for climbing walls.
 
Last person to try that got a S&W J frame shoved it his face, I though he was going for my gun (i was in North Dakota and have a valid permit) but apparently he wanted to see my knive. dumb-ass. first and last time someone tried to take my knives.
 
Yes. Being a leader in my scout troop I have to politely remind the new little scouts who are very grabby and arrogant. Thinking they can 'get' anything they want is a personality trait I enjoy purging from them.

After a while they realize that I am the knife guru and that a simple courteous request is always met with a 'yes you can check it out but be careful'
 
Someone taking a knife out of my pocket is something that hasn't happened to me in almost 30 years since I was a Boy Scout and lifting my sheath knife was a childish prank. Kids do stuff like that just for laughs. I certainly wouldn't expect it in the adult world unless it was a deliberate theft or an attempt to disarm me as part of a mugging, etc. It sounds to me like the original poster is probably a student or otherwise hanging around relatively immature people. In any case (whether it's a prank, theft or mugging), a good solution is to carry inside the pocket without the clip or to carry with whatever other method removes the knife from view and keeps it properly secure under the circumstances. If your knife is routinely being snatched, then you just need a more secure carry method. Sooner or later the joke is going to result in a damaged or lost knife or a bad accident. Anyone who is immature enough to snatch a knife as a joke is definitely a hazard when handling a razor sharp knife. He's likely to try some throwing or ninja moves next to expand the humor and that can be dangerous if he doesn't know how sharp a knife nut's blade is likely to be.

This is something that has always bothered me about pocket clips on knives. They are very convenient, but unfortunately they announce that I have a knife and make it accessible to others. I much prefer full concealment. If you put some thought into it, you can come up with a more secure carry method that works well for you.

It is interesting that the knife laws in New York City require concealment, as do the CCW regulations in many places. Maybe this is why. If so, it makes a lot of sense.
 
Zero_Time said:
...Maybe that works in your neighborhood, or your house, I don't know. The places I go, most people are squeamish about guns, so the idea of self defense isn't very high on their radar, meaning that any violent action should be verifiably justified.
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My neighborhood is just like your neighborhood I bet. Bumping up against me in a crowded store or squeezed in a little honky tonk is one thing, inside my pocket is something else. I've carried a knife for almost 50 years but never used it as a self defense tool. I regularly carry a pistol but a fist fight doesn't involve firearms, call me old fashion. If it is someone I know or maybe someone I feel is just joking around it's no big deal. Now-a-days, since I'm over fifty, over weight and walk with a stick because of two bad knees, when the excreta contacts the orbiting metal surface, I can't run, so I want to be on top from the git go. Nobody is gonna blame a fat, cripple old man from protecting himself against some young whippersnapper. The fact that I have adequate defensive skills and 15 or 20 years of 'mean' on him doesn't show on the outside. Well, knowing you youngsters aren't going to do anything but stare at me when I snatch that Sebenza out of your pocket I think I might just go 'pocket shopping' for a new blade! ;)
 
reading the above post and laughing hard enough to shoot sweet tea outta my nose.....
 
Zero_Time said:
That's the response I was looking for. Being the one who posted that people try to take my things, I didn't feel I could come out and say as strongly as you did that intentional violence isn't something I find funny. I try to do the same too, and people respect that until they don't, at which point I use some light joint control tactics to make them stop. But all this "yeah, and they won't mess with me again..." I don't like the idea of having to deal with getting kicked out of schools, work, etc. over stupid things. Unless it comes to a self defense situation, I don't do violence. If it comes to that, then they will NEVER do anything to me again. But I don't like to have to get to that point.
Same deal here. You appear to be a gentleman sir, and I very much respect your insight and opinions.

I actually do the same myself, again, as I said, all these were ATTEMPTS without success. I do my best to stay alert and maintain a personal radar, clocking everyone in front, behind, their velocity if they are moving, etc. People can close distance between them and myself, it's a physical fact of life, just like the fact that chairs hold me up. When someone makes a move towards me, I go onto a higher level of awareness. My question was coming from the fact that there were some posters who said "If they can touch me or close the distance to touch me, they're too close!" which, as long as you don't have personal Secret Service or bouncers, I didn't really see as possible.

Yeah, the people I hang with are sorta kooky (again, the people mentioned are NOT friends, or my choice of people to spend time with, so please, all suggestions otherwise are inane). I think it's quite simply curiosity: I never lend a knife out basically, and ask what they want cut, etc., but they still reach over to take a look. The most recent guy has other reasons to be doing it; I won't go into it, but suffice to say, I'm always cautious when he's around.


The only exception I'm taking to this is that this policy wouldn't fly nowadays, unless it was the particular scenario of 2 on one, and you SAY you thought you were getting jumped. My thing is, as an instant reaction towards violence, one small hand doesn't do it. Do other things, especially when you get the jump on me? No doubt. If any of these encounters hadn't unfolded in a way I knew what was going on before they completed their action, there well nigh may have been injuries. But if the guy is DIRECTLY in front of you, about three and a half feet out, and then leans in off-balance, it's sorta hard to say it's threatening. And I wouldn't expect you to, and I don't think Absintheur would either. It's the initial "any contact equals immediate and swift beat-downs" that I believe is the concern hear. Maybe that works in your neighborhood, or your house, I don't know. The places I go, most people are squeamish about guns, so the idea of self defense isn't very high on their radar, meaning that any violent action should be verifiably justified.
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holy crap you're weird.
 
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