Do We Really Need This?

I think your way off base here AlphalphaPB, Why just this month we have had 3 drive by Bayonetings in my area :D
 
Yeap, good thing they didn't have a folding stock on that bad boy or else I am sure with the increased maneuverability, we would have had a few more!!!
 
Oh piss on this BS "do you really need" argument!!!
As soon as you go down that path, we're doomed because the same bastards that don't want you to have guns will then start asking "Do you really need THAT KIND of knife?"
Then they'll do that song and dance about no one really needs weapons to protect themselves because the Govt, the Military or the police do that...yeah right, tell me another one.
As to the subject of "nonmetallic" knives--the day they stop being manufactured/sold then people will carve them out of wood!!!
As for the guy flogging them as non-knives that you can carry on planes because "regulations aren't laws", he's a f*****g looney-toon and guys that like that make life hard for all of us because of how he comes across. People like that will get our guns/knives banned faster than anything else.
What's next--are we going to "ballistic fingerprint" and "serial number" bricks to tell who's house they came from???
 
I guess I should have been more precise in my use of language, Ed. ;) I was, indeed, referring to moral or natural law. What I should have said is that no government can rightfully legislate away the right of self defense. Is that better? ;) Seriously, I think it could be argued that the 2nd amendment does not confer the right to bear arms, but rather acknowledges it.
 
Originally posted by maury
lets not confuse the situation by raising some Second Amendment issue: there is no right or legitimate reason for most of us to own a knife specifically designed to be smuggled past security checkpoints any more then there is to own a silencer for a handgun.
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Maury- it is a shame that just because you may believe that there are no legitimate uses for silencers on handguns ( or rifles for that matter) that you take that as truth.... same with the ownership of non metalic knives and such. The lightweight and non rusting nature of such materials in and of themselves can/do legitimately save strength of the wearer through out the day. Now I can definataly agree that the marketing leaves a bit to be desired for several reasons, but there are plenty of legitamate uses for lots of things that most people are taught are bad whether they are or not. Besides if you are not capable of owning and using such things without being tempted to harm others with them, then just don't buy such things and leave ownership to those who can.... :eek:

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Certainly there is a place for nonmetallic blades, but the only legitimate one I can think of "

Boy am I glad that legitimacy is not based on what you think... sure seems to limit things a bit....
 
As a follow-up, I don't think the manner in which this maker is being portrayed is entirely fair. I didn't visit his table this time so I have no direct information on his current sales pitch. However, I have been there in the past and, while he does tell customers about the availability of Ti versions of his knives, he is not the crazed huckster that is being described. In fact, I have trouble believing that his statements were not delivered with a smile & a wink.
 
Originally posted by glockman99
I don't need no damn little plastic belt-buckle "knife" to defend myself from a goof-ball hijacker...I'll rip-off one of the arm-rests (or the whole damn seat) and beat the hijacker closest to me to death with it.
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All I can say is if I am ever on a plane and it gets hijacked they better not get within arms reach of me..;)
 
Originally posted by Eric Litton
[BTaking a knife on a plane is stupid. There are many different legal items that you can take on a plane that could be used more effectivly than a small knife to subdue an attacker. [/B]
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That argument can be used to say owning a knife at all is stupid. People are not safer just because I cannot carry my CQC-7 or Mini Strider. Can you nake a legal item other than a cane that would work better? A Mini-Maglight or pen is a very poor substitute. A trained fighter would not be greatly effected by most of the thighs you can bring on a plane. My solution of destroying the enemy would work much better. There are thousands of Wahabbist schools training terrorists. We know where many of them are, why not take them out with all their wannabe terrorists? I will never forgive Molech for causing this new loss of rights.
 
Do We Really Need This?
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No.

The only thing we really need is air and nutrition. Just toss us on a rack and plug us in. We would be energy efficient, environmentally friendly, perfectly safe, non-smoking, with a healthy diet, and disease free. What a miserable way to live.

n2s
 
Well, there is a difference between owning a perticular weapon and taking it into a restricted area, like a plane. Remember that there have been many crazed people brought down on planes without the use of a knife. That of course doesnt mean a knife wouldnt work, just that sometimes you got to get creative. Since if they find your knife, no amount of arguing will stop them from arresting or charging you.

Well, i can think of at least one item, a thin hard cover book.

Well of course destroying the terrorists would work better but thats off the subject a slight bit.

Originally posted by Benjamin Liu
That argument can be used to say owning a knife at all is stupid. People are not safer just because I cannot carry my CQC-7 or Mini Strider. Can you nake a legal item other than a cane that would work better? A Mini-Maglight or pen is a very poor substitute. A trained fighter would not be greatly effected by most of the thighs you can bring on a plane. My solution of destroying the enemy would work much better. There are thousands of Wahabbist schools training terrorists. We know where many of them are, why not take them out with all their wannabe terrorists? I will never forgive Molech for causing this new loss of rights.
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Originally posted by Benjamin Liu
I will never forgive Molech for causing this new loss of rights.
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Molech, as in the commonly misperceived deity of child sacrifice that Muslims are sometimes thought to worship? Check out this link for some etymological information the evolution of the word "Molech": Maalik vs. Molech.
 
Corroboration from the Catholic Encyclopedia: Moloch.

Remember the western-most Phoenicians, the Puni as the Romans called them, the Carthaginians. They also worshipped Moloch, and permanently tainted the name in European eyes.
 
Originally posted by maury
... lets not confuse the situation by raising some Second Amendment issue: there is no right or legitimate reason for most of us to own a knife specifically designed to be smuggled past security checkpoints any more then there is to own a silencer for a handgun.
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The primary purpose of the Second Amendment being to acknowledge the right of the populace to the means of opposing a repressive government, there is most emphatically a right to any and all weaponry an individual might carry, specifically despite government regulations.

Self-defense is just what it says, self-defense. No government agency promises to protect you under any circumstances. The screeners who prevent you from bringing a knife on board will not be there when terrorists kick your disarmed butt.

Of course, the ultimate test case would be an incident where an individual with an "illegally" smuggled weapon prevents a hijacking. What jury will convict him? It's a shame it has come to this, people afraid of other good citizens, pretending the enemy aliens will hurt .. someone .. else.

Haiku for an Unhappy Season

Securely enslaved,
the people are protected
from their own ideas.
 
Originally posted by glockman99
I don't need no damn little plastic belt-buckle "knife" to defend myself from a goof-ball hijacker...I'll rip-off one of the arm-rests (or the whole damn seat) and beat the hijacker closest to me to death with it.
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ROFLMAO!!!...

I think I would just strangle the highjacker with one of the rent-a headphones they pass out for movies...!;)
 
"Do we really need....." - dangerous ground here!

Take a cue from attempts at gun control, sarah Brady and HCI. Remeber their rational for banning so called assualt rifles? It went something like - does anyone really need a rifle like that and one that fires that many rounds. this of course led to - who needs a magazine to hold that many rounds and the ban of any new magazines holding over ten rounds and applied to rifles and also pistols!

With the recent sniper shootings, the anti's were making rumblings about who really needs a rifle that can shoot that far. even more disconcerting was that the anti's were making these statements about hunting rifles (before they knew it was one of those bad assault rifles). Case in point, the slippery slope exist, be it guns or knives!
 
Originally posted by Eric Litton
Well, there is a difference between owning a perticular weapon and taking it into a restricted area, like a plane. Remember that there have been many crazed people brought down on planes without the use of a knife. That of course doesnt mean a knife wouldnt work, just that sometimes you got to get creative. Since if they find your knife, no amount of arguing will stop them from arresting or charging you.

Well, i can think of at least one item, a thin hard cover book.

Well of course destroying the terrorists would work better but thats off the subject a slight bit.
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Planes should not be restricted areas for knives. I don't carry when I have to fly. A maglight or cane are pretty much the best I can come up with, and I would choose it over a book for use as a weapon any day. Either would put you at a disadvantage when facing someone with an edged weapon who is trained in using it. One of the hijackers had some FMA training and probably taught the others. A knife would be much better.
 
is to stop air travel completely...

barring that, sue Boeing and Airbus for manufacturing airplanes to be hijacked...
 
We need MORE of this type of stuff in shows. I'm pretty sure that many crimals go to knife shows or are at least somewhat aware of different types of weapons on the market. Criminals need to know that the rest of us may be able to return deadly force.

Take this for example. Say someone tries to mug you and you pull out a belt knife or whatever and royaly carve him up. Once he heals and gets out of jail he will think twice the next time he considers muging someone. Of course this is a specific case but the principle can be applied to any situation. Especially on airplanes. Being armed in any way deters crime. It does allow a crimal easier access to weapons but the criminal wont get much accomplished if grandma caps his ass.
 
Well, I wont argue against your opinion. Just that there is a time and place to break rules and i dont think bringing a covert knife on a plane because you dont feel safe is one of them. Besides, on a plane your more likely going to die from machanical failure than terrorist :).

Actually many things around you can be used as very effective weapons. Things dont have to be considered weapons to be used as one.

Originally posted by Benjamin Liu
Planes should not be restricted areas for knives. I don't carry when I have to fly. A maglight or cane are pretty much the best I can come up with, and I would choose it over a book for use as a weapon any day. Either would put you at a disadvantage when facing someone with an edged weapon who is trained in using it. One of the hijackers had some FMA training and probably taught the others. A knife would be much better.
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