Ar's are Ok I got a BCM I really like, I just prefer M1s, M1As, Scar.... .30 cal guns etc. But ARs are easy to handle and fun to shoot. AR10s are not bad, but again comes down to me prefering piston to DI. And all the piston AR variants are costly. I'd rather pay for an LRB or Scar over those.
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Do you like AR15's?
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Cricketdave, don't even bother with some guys (boys) here. Its obvious some have never put in time with an AK-47, or, have just shot their buddy's Romanian WASR-10 with cheap steel cased ammo once or twice and got mad they couldn't hit anything with it and thus formed their "AK's are innacurate" groupthink opinion. Never even contemplating what a skilled man with any rifle is capable of. And I'm a diehard AR-15 guy with some decent range time and have been outshot by an AK or two.
If you think AK-47's are totally innacurate I got an even bigger bridge in San Francisco to sell you.
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Accuracy is relative term. I've owned probably 14-15 different AKs(5.45 and 7.62x39) in my life so I"m speaking from experience. The AK platform(in 5.45/7.62x39) wasn't intended to be a precision weapon. That doesn't mean there aren't very accurate AK's out there. I had a Russian AK-103 from Chris Butler that shot right at 1 MOA with my handloads(lapua components). Saigas seem to be pretty capable too. Dragunovs, Tigers, and SVDs were all purpose built precision sniper rifles built around the AK design. People forget that the AR-15 wasn't designed to be used for precision work either. It was made to be a battle/infantry rifle.
It always puzzles me why people attach their ego to inanimate objects. "This knife is better than that knife," "this brand sucks," "you're wrong, that knife doesn't suck, you're just a fanboy," and on and on and on. It's not like these things are your children.
Nothing is certain in life, not even AK's renowned inaccuracy. Keep an open mind, you'll learn a lot more.
It always puzzles me why people attach their ego to inanimate objects. "This knife is better than that knife," "this brand sucks," "you're wrong, that knife doesn't suck, you're just a fanboy," and on and on and on. It's not like these things are your children.
Nothing is certain in life, not even AK's renowned inaccuracy. Keep an open mind, you'll learn a lot more.
I like any tool that does what it is intended to do.
I keep a LMT civilian M4 with light and M2 in the corner. I am confident it will do it's job if the need should ever arise.
If I did not grab it, there is a 870P beside it that could also do the job.
I do love Dad's M1 Garand though
6 years an FFL and 25 years collecting/shooting. There are many great designs to be had.
Bill
I keep a LMT civilian M4 with light and M2 in the corner. I am confident it will do it's job if the need should ever arise.
If I did not grab it, there is a 870P beside it that could also do the job.
I do love Dad's M1 Garand though
6 years an FFL and 25 years collecting/shooting. There are many great designs to be had.
Bill
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They're fun to tinker with and are pretty simple and easy to build and maintain. I have a few and appreciate the AK-designs as well as M1A, FALs. Still, the AR is a solid performer within realistic ranges; also quite capable of excellent accuracy. I've just spent the last 26+years carrying them so I have a little attachment:
ROCK6
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At first I couldn't understand the arrogance of opinion, til I looked up your profile. LEO in CT huh? Did you hafta register your AR? Is it Dept issue in your home? Kick in any doors yet to take any of the unregistered AR's and mags? Your attitude is the exact reason I have no respect for LEO's, period.
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I generally agree that your run of the mill AK is less accurate than your run of the mill AR-15. But you know.... as mentioned above, they were designed as battle rifles and precision shooting is not the No. 1 emphasis of either the AK or AR. I wouldn't want to be wandering accross a field 200 yds from an antagonist with an AK. The accuracy of the weapon is not my No. 1 concern nor would I be trying to figure out the person's political interests as the bullets impacted around me.
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I like AR-15's, and my Colt M4/le6920 has been 100% reliable, is accurate, and a blast to shoot. I also like AK's, but not quite as much due to their ergos which I find less agreeable than my AR. In addition I have had at least one stoppage in each of my AK's. It may have been bad ammo (Wolf steel case), but they have both malfunctioned while my AR runs, and runs.
They're fun to tinker with and are pretty simple and easy to build and maintain. I have a few and appreciate the AK-designs as well as M1A, FALs. Still, the AR is a solid performer within realistic ranges; also quite capable of excellent accuracy. I've just spent the last 26+years carrying them so I have a little attachment:
ROCK6
Mr. ROCK6,
It seems you've handled and shot them all, so what would be your preference in a rifle (go-to, do it all, if you only had one kind of question)? Would it be an AR pattern, or maybe others like the SCAR, FAL, AK, or bullpups like the AUG?
Thanks!
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Here is a fast AR question. Somehow I mixed my buffers up. Does an AR-15 Colt Sporter Carbine with a full sized stock (not collapsible) use the full sized buffer? Also does an Oly 9mm with full sized stock use a full sized buffer. I was changing out stocks and got things all confused.
Thanks.
Thanks.
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It really depends on your experience, comfort and what you shoot better with. I have no problems with the AR platform and have almost three decades of trigger time with it. It's not perfect and has limitations, but works well within those parameters and is a good bang-for-the-buck with plenty of spare parts and availability. I can say the same thing about AKs, although it does depend on make (some are crap); however, my Arsenal AK is almost as accurate as my ARs. If you like .308 caliber, there are a number quality platforms. I was lucky to jump on the FAL bandwagon a while back and I love how it handles. Yet, I really prefer my M1A for hunting of all my semi-auto rifles. Bullpups have their place, but I would caution against them unless you're really willing to commit to learning how to handle it; it's just different. Still they are very capable firearms and have some unique advantages with relation to size while maintaining longer barrels.
All have their advantages and disadvantages and most disadvantages can be mitigated through training. Just about all semi-auto (military-based) rifles on the market are "combat accurate" and will work for 90% of what most people would need or even maximize their skill level. Just about all reputable makers (and importers) provide robust and reliable firearms; you can get a lemon or two over time, but it's rare for the reputable ones.
I could go on, but for what I would choose would be inadequate for another depending on their own requirements based on their location/terrain, skill-level, experience, handling preferences, etc. I can recommend getting your hands on as many as possible to shoot and find what you're most comfortable with. Once you choose, invest time and training to maximize whatever advantages it has and train around the limitations. Know your rifle inside and out; know how to replace common-wear parts and make sure you have some on-hand. Don't discount optics as they are a game-changer in many situations and quality magnified optics extend precision at longer distances. I recommend simplicity first but some accessories can be beneficial if tempered with need.
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Sound advice- thanks for the response!
I agree with ROCK6 on this one. Spent 22 years in the military (the last half in Special Operations), and then another 18 years as a contractor. Throughout this period, I was afforded the opportunity to carry and use a number of different AR platforms, as well as most versions extant of the AK family. AR's require more care & cleaning, but that's no problem. They are, for the most part, more accurate than any given AK platform. Having said that, I was "required" to carry the AKM/AKMS/Type 56/Type 56-1/M-70B-1&-2 on many occasions out there in the Third World. As long as I did my part, they seemed to be able to do theirs quite well.
However, I have no attachment to them whatsoever, and can honestly say I own neither at this time. My rifles are more along the lines of a good lever-gun these days. AR's and AK's , to me, are like a carpenter looking at the hammers and screwdrivers in his toolbox. I appreciate them for what they are, but they hold no sentimental value to me whatsoever.
Just one man's opinion.
Regards,
Ron
However, I have no attachment to them whatsoever, and can honestly say I own neither at this time. My rifles are more along the lines of a good lever-gun these days. AR's and AK's , to me, are like a carpenter looking at the hammers and screwdrivers in his toolbox. I appreciate them for what they are, but they hold no sentimental value to me whatsoever.
Just one man's opinion.
Regards,
Ron
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LOL. Wow. What a heated ak v ar debate! Ha ha ha! I love them both, but since the original question was about ar's, yep. Sure do. It's simple and effective. Just my style.
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I have owned both the AR-15 (and I carried one in the Army for a short period) and the AK47, I like them both well enough, but I don't currently own one..I prefer my bolt action rifles and 22lr's....I do own a MINI 14 and MINI 30, and they are a blast to shoot, but with the cost of ammo..I sometimes wonder why I own these either.
My preference for the Ruger MINI line, is that I like the Garand action, and I prefer a good wood rifle stock..I can shoot the heck out of an AR, and have for thousands of rounds, but I have been shooting since I was a wee lad, and I learned on an old 22 marlin, and I just get on target with out thinking about it, if I shoulder a rifle stock...YMMV. As far as the accuracy thing...I think AR15's as a whole are more accurate, but for the intended purpose of both of these rifles...your just splitting hairs. They both have killed millions of people in the last 60 something years...they do the job, it's a tool, and they fill a roll.
My preference for the Ruger MINI line, is that I like the Garand action, and I prefer a good wood rifle stock..I can shoot the heck out of an AR, and have for thousands of rounds, but I have been shooting since I was a wee lad, and I learned on an old 22 marlin, and I just get on target with out thinking about it, if I shoulder a rifle stock...YMMV. As far as the accuracy thing...I think AR15's as a whole are more accurate, but for the intended purpose of both of these rifles...your just splitting hairs. They both have killed millions of people in the last 60 something years...they do the job, it's a tool, and they fill a roll.
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Even my WASR 10 could shoot offhand into 3" at 100 yrds. Not exactly laser beam, but pretty good for iron sights and the ballistics of the round. The beauty of the AK is its simplicity and reliability. Taking one apart it seems impossible it could function so well with so few moving parts. Have the barrel crowned (I did mine myself) and it will shoot plenty good enough for iron sights, my better groups 2" shooting off a bag and that with steel cased ammo. The barrel crowning from the factory is dreadful, and often the only functional difference between the cheaper examples and the more expensive builds.
I love the AR for how well it shoots, but I've witnessed a handful of malfs on clean ARs that required a lot of effort to clear. I fell in love with the AK when I hit a pop can 3/5 at 80 yrds the first time I handled one - shooting from a knee. That was a WASR too, trigger slap and all. Either one I prefered to my old HK91 or 80s vintage mini-14. These days I just have a Marlin 336 - is a great all around shooter and can be topped off on the fly.