Doesn't make sense to buy anything other than a cold steel?

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J. Doyle said:
If that was directed at me....

I will when someone who claims folders are so "weak" can show a legitimate instance where they had a failure due to inherent weakness.

Can you?
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What would you accept as proof ? If someone is out to lie , photos and even videos are tailor made for deception .

If a person's word is no good as testimony , what proof is possible , unless you witness something yourself ?

I don't believe that you can reasonably doubt that some folders are essentially built more strongly than others .

That some locks are more prone to failure than others .

Folder failures are not so uncommon as you want to pretend . But (unless defective ) almost no tool will fail, if carefully and skillfully used, under controlled conditions, within its performance limits .

Some folders are built for much expanded limits . For extreme hard use , under harsh / emergency , uncontrollable conditions . Or just hard work .

Does everyone want or need such folders ? Of course not ! ;) But why hate on those that do ? :confused:
 
i love the cold steel bush ranger
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I’ve had a few Cold Steels over the years. They’re solid knives, but just because their locks can support 300 lbs instead of just 150 or whatever doesn’t mean they’re light duty; or just means Spyderco doesn’t use that as a marketing spec.
 
I am a big fan of XL and L Cold Steels, comfortably carry the Espada XL in Carharrts (which made me feel like Levis pockets were women-pant shallow), Rajah 2, along with a regular pocket knife (Native 5 or Chief, Endura, Police, RAT, Advocate) and a SAK easily.

There are only some places this is easy and working. Walking bad streets, can wave it easily and know it's strong, or the woods for the Rajah. Wouldn't carry it at work. It is something that can't be seen. good to recognize a tough slipjoint like a Douk Douk, invinclble, slim and light... Was used to cut airplane tires by military forces somewhere.

Sometimes I might have it around, any size CS, but sometimes I know I need something thinner or different shapes for a specified task. No CS utility serrations.

However the GRIK is a tough and well designed and slim and light pocket knife, I carry it at the bottom of my work bag with a Leatherman Wave. Love carrying a good, strong knife like that GRIK around, removed the scales (has two sets, odd knife) and has a Spydiehole, but it's the beautiful strong but cutting, fancy spear/saber grind with additions.


i wanna try some more utilitarian models like the American Lawman, Master Hunter, Recon series maybe ? Any recs? Love the look of the Tuff Lite, and Canadian Belt Knife as well as Trout/Bird. Any recs? I digress. Want them in XHP too but it's a lofty proposition, only XHP I have is four of the Espada series.


I have an XL Voyager Tanto, great piece but wonder if a different shape would have worked better but this has given me no complaints.
 
I have had plenty of Cold Steel knives. They were a solid company with an innovative and competitively priced product line. Then they lost the Carbon V line when Camillus closed, and their innovation, customer service, quality control and the entire team when GSM purchased them. I haven’t purchased anything with the new logo and have zero interest in their current lineup. GSM is a junk peddler and whatever residual products remain in the lineup can go south at any moment without warning. There are a lot of good reputable makers out there. It would be wise to patronize them rather than a company that would trade on the reputation of a long gone organization and pedals products that they neither understand nor support.

Has anyone heard from the GSM clown with the corny stick?

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Thing with Cold Steel is that you have to sort the gems from the garbage. There are and were lots of models that were just cheaply made (either by materials or execution). The "since Lynn Thompson sold CS" rethoric is pure BS. Yes, it is unfortunate that CS became corpo assett but to glorify that it was something else in the olden days is also BS.

IMO if you want good work and user knives with nothing fancy added to them there are bunch of great options from CS still (their Taiwan productions).
 
The people I see talking about Cold Steel either being low quality or significantly different since the GSM buyout have not been buying and using knives from both eras.

Others write the company as a whole off based on their experience with one of their $13 absolute low end knives.

Anyone who’s been using Cold Steel for ages knows that customer support wasn’t great pre-GSM either. Seems just as hit or miss as they used to be.
 
I'm a fan of the Recon 1 folders.

Picked up a backup on Black Friday and it's still good stuff. Not sure what future production will be like, so I'd recommend picking up some CPM S35VN with the TriAd lock cheap while still available.

If you want to spend big bucks, there's a Magnacut Recon M1 on the horizon.
 
jux t said:
The people I see talking about Cold Steel either being low quality or significantly different since the GSM buyout have not been buying and using knives from both eras.

Others write the company as a whole off based on their experience with one of their $13 absolute low end knives.

Anyone who’s been using Cold Steel for ages knows that customer support wasn’t great pre-GSM either. Seems just as hit or miss as they used to be.
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Geriatrics hate change...and constantly wish for the "good ol' days".


Signed,

A "non-traditional" Geriatric
 
Limiting one's purchases to only one knife maker is like only ever buying and dtriving a Chevy Pick Up. It is ok, the Chevy will always be what it is, I have one that is 20 years old, but there are other good vehicles out there that will do the same job just as well or even better. We just bought a Honda Pilot for instance.

Cold Stel is a solid brand with solid products, but there are other knifemakers that also sell good to great cutlery.
 
Arathol said:
The return of Lasador......LOLOL....
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This.
jux t said:
Where? On this forum?
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CS, along with SOG (also purchased by gsm), have been slipping in quite a bit of 1.4117 (basically 5cr) without much of a reflection in their pricing model. I don't mind that steel in my inexpensive kitchen knives but I don't like to see it much at the prices cs and sog ask.
 
craytab said:
This.

CS, along with SOG (also purchased by gsm), have been slipping in quite a bit of 1.4117 (basically 5cr) without much of a reflection in their pricing model. I don't mind that steel in my inexpensive kitchen knives but I don't like to see it much at the prices cs and sog ask.
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Completely 👍

I think this is the big gripe many had. I have never been nor never will be a complainer as to what something costs. That always strikes me a whining about the capitalism so many people rah-rah around until they have to pay more than the want. However, CS (and even SOG before they were sold) have been creeping up pricing on lower quality stuff, replacing quality steel with garbage like you have mentioned in models that used to have decent materials, and just jacking the price up on their production knives that are no better in quality than pretty much any other brand. Compound that with the fact that you are no longer getting the LT experience with him no longer at the helm and the even worse customer service...yeah, GSM is not great.

A few of their knives are still winners. Their Taiwan made SVN35 stuff is worth the asking price, especially with the Triad lock, if you are looking for a quality and strong folder to abuse.

However, tribalistic fanbois be tribalistic fanbois, and they will keep buying what they shell out.
 
J. Doyle said:
I still want to know what people are doing with folding knives that make them claim they're "weak", "light duty", "not for heavy use" etc.

What is heavy use? I want to see real world scenarios (not morons TRYING to break something) of folding knives not being strong/durable enough (not talking about blade LENGTH issues here).

And I want to see all these broken "weak" folders. I feel like it's time to put up or shut up.
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This. I too want to know what scenario all our hard use proponents envision where their folder lock must be able to hold hundreds of pounds resist piles of lateral pressure take repeated spine wacks.or be able to be baton ed through an engine block.

What do you do? Are you some sort of super secret squirrel agent? Airborne commado? Man in black?
 
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