Doesn't make sense to buy anything other than a cold steel?

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jux t said:
Have you seen any videos or other informative sources where prying or otherwise sudden dynamic pressure has stripped a folder’s pivot threads instead of snapping the blade?
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No, Do you have any links?

I am surprised the pivot doesn't fail that often in Joe X test. I would imagine the smaller pivot can be the weak link for prying. That's the reason I choose Steel Will as they use 0.25" diameter pivots. Cold Steel use smaller pivots. But from the tests, I only seen if failed once after the long torturing.
 
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AntDog said:
I wouldn’t put a squirt of piss worth of value into anything that idiot does or says. I for damn sure wouldn’t base any knife purchases off of his drivel. It’s like watching a monkey take a pipe wrench and bash it repeatedly into shit around its cage until it breaks.
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Why, it's good information on how much the knife can take in different situation. Show me other tests that tell more about the knife.
 
alan0354 said:
Why, it's good information on how much the knife can take in different situation. Show me other tests that tell more about the knife.
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It is only informative if you are planning to abuse your tools. Like judging your vehicles ability according to how it performs in head on collisions with a garbage truck.

To judge the utility of any tool you need to see how it does when properly operated by a skilled user. Since I am not a pilot, my demonstration of functionality of the Boeing 747 wouldn’t be very informative.

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not2sharp said:
It is only informative if you are planning to abuse your tools. Like judging your vehicles ability according to how it performs in head on collisions with a garbage truck.

To judge the utility of any tool you need to see how it does when properly operated by a skilled user. Since I am not a pilot, my demonstration of functionality of the Boeing 747 wouldn’t be very informative.

n2s
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But it sure tells you how much you can depend on it in emergency situation. Sure it's not going to happen every day, BUT if it just happens once in a life time and it can survive and get one out of the jam, that's everything. Like in a car accident where you are trapped and that's the only tool you have to cut and pry yourself out.

Why people EDC a knife? To cut boxes, paper, food? You really have box cutter, kitchen knives to do the job as you are not in emergency situation and you can take the time to look for the better suited tools. I actually feel some people actually consider carrying a knife is like a designer handbag for women!! It is not a fashion and I cannot imagine anyone pull out their knives to show off!!!

To me, an EDC knife is for self defense, and really emergency situation where that's the only tool you have to get you out of a jam. If the knife can get me out of the jam once in my life time, it's worth carrying my whole life.

Talking about skilled. I practice knife fight on a heavy bag with plastic knife to get the feel, not just carrying it around and never practice. It would be a big mistake for people to carry one and never practice, thinking that they can use the knife to defend themselves.
 
not2sharp said:
It is only informative if you are planning to abuse your tools. Like judging your vehicles ability according to how it performs in head on collisions with a garbage truck.

To judge the utility of any tool you need to see how it does when properly operated by a skilled user. Since I am not a pilot, my demonstration of functionality of the Boeing 747 wouldn’t be very informative.

n2s
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They crash cars in to walls to test them.
 
But testing doesn't tell you how good it is. If you look at how climbing gear gets tested you see when and how it breaks, not that you can eventually beat it into submission. The order of testing methods, sample size and a dozen other variables mean that most knife torture tests are largely pointless. Unless they can provide a direct comparison to something else, or to a specific failure mode, they mean almost nothing. Sure a single direction "against the lock" pull test is repeatable and may have value. But a lock holding or not while being beaten on from different directions doesn't tell me if the lock is peening, bending and recovering, or working looser/tighter. It doesn't tell me if the pivot threads are failing, washers are galling or stress zones are building in any particular location. Partly that is a cost thing, no one that I know of can get 100 knives to do ten cycles of ten tests per model.
And if you've ever worked with an apprentice, you will know that some people just naturally find the way to break things, even things that shouldn't be breakable. Does that mean they are bad items? Maybe, maybe not. Knife testing relies heavily on the tester, and it's so easy to manipulate,

Last, the fundamental assertion that your version of an EDC knife is the only valid reason for carry is a logical fallacy. For those of us who cannot carry a knife for self-defense purposes by law, and who carry it for other utility purposes, or for sporting/recreation, is that somehow less valid? Is my carry of an EDC which is good for food prep less valid since I cannot rely on restaurants and so may have to prepare a meal with little notice, less valid because I'm going to pick something good for food, and not getting into a fight? Or is my work EDC which is all about solving odd problems less valid? Because I cook and fix things far more often than I self-extract from vehicle crashes and ambushes. And honestly where I live, if I had to present a judge with a piece of pocket jewelry to make my case, I'd probably be in a better situation than if I had a vic paring knife in a cardboard sheath in my pants.
 
You could successfully apply this same argument to knives from nearly any company. They all make a variety of sizes and shapes.

Depending on who gets to a thread first, a reader might be convinced that a Spyderco PM2 and a Sebenza will fill all of anybody's cutting needs.

Might be right, too. Back it up with a proper toolkit, and you'll likely never need more than one general purpose knife.

I have also lost confidence in liner- and frame locks, after a near miss that was entirely my fault. So, while I agree with some parts of the OP, I also have some different opinions about other parts.

Cold Steel makes the kind of knives you won't be afraid to get dirty, but they're far from the solution for every situation. At the very least, you should have a capable fixed blade, and something nicer to go with your suit and tie. CS makes some capable fixed blades, but they fall short when it comes to "barbecue knives".
 
DocJD said:
To me and many others , knives that underperform our personal criteria , are exactly as you describe above . :)

I know guys that rely upon just a smart phone and a credit card . To them carrying anything like a knife is ridiculous fantasy BS . 😒
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You're moving the goal posts a bit. This conversation wasn't about performance differences. It was about being unable to perform out of weakness.

I'll just go ahead and assume you can't provide a specific real world example either and just move along from you.
 
alan0354 said:
Why, it's good information on how much the knife can take in different situation. Show me other tests that tell more about the knife.
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I'm surprised that an "engineer" would put any kind of value on such nonsensical "tests".

You must know as an "engineer" that the impacts and stresses applied in those "tests" are in no way controlled/measurable or repeatable.
 
What a Boring world it would be if I only owned one brand of knife. And how stupid would I be if I thought that there was only one good tough brand of knife.
 
(I wouldn’t put a squirt of piss worth of value into anything that idiot does or says. I for damn sure wouldn’t base any knife purchases off of his drivel. It’s like watching a monkey take a pipe wrench and bash it repeatedly into shit around its cage until it breaks.) My thoughts exactly ! He should just save everyone the trouble and just throw the knives into a furnace or car shredder.Those "tests" are absolutely usesless. and now hes cursing up a storm, and taking swigs of whiskey too.And theres alot of dummies who base their purchases on his results; that is even more pathetic!
 
goldie said:
(I wouldn’t put a squirt of piss worth of value into anything that idiot does or says. I for damn sure wouldn’t base any knife purchases off of his drivel. It’s like watching a monkey take a pipe wrench and bash it repeatedly into shit around its cage until it breaks.) My thoughts exactly ! He should just save everyone the trouble and just throw the knives into a furnace or car shredder.Those "tests" are absolutely usesless. and now hes cursing up a storm, and taking swigs of whiskey too.And theres alot of dummies who base their purchases on his results; that is even more pathetic!
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And those same idiots are going to be crying the blues when their knives can’t cut worth piss, or hold an edge to save their lives. And all of this is coming from a sharpened prybar enthusiast.
 
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