Dog attack, bear spray

pepper spray works on mamals, bear spray isn't a "bad" idea, just know that you will probably get some inhalation or some eye contact.

I say axe handles are great, but they're not really viable for dog walks.

I have zero tolerance for unrestrained aggressive dogs, a dead dog won't kill you or anyone else. I have two little girls, I don't care about courts or lawsuits when thier safety is in jeopardy.

agressive+unrestrained= dead.
 
Skimo said:
I have zero tolerance for unrestrained aggressive dogs, a dead dog won't kill you or anyone else. I have two little girls, I don't care about courts or lawsuits when thier safety is in jeopardy.

agressive+unrestrained= dead.
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I hate to have to agree, but it's unavoidable. We were all out one day and a neighbor's dog came at our daughter in her stroller. Me and our boxer chased it around and around until it fled, then I cursed out the owner. The next time it came after her, I wasn't there, so my wife dropped the leash, the boxer chased it into an alley and killed it with one bite to the neck.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
I hate to have to agree, but it's unavoidable. We were all out one day and a neighbor's dog came at our daughter in her stroller. Me and our boxer chased it around and around until it fled, then I cursed out the owner. The next time it came after her, I wasn't there, so my wife dropped the leash, the boxer chased it into an alley and killed it with one bite to the neck.
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Holy crap - I always wondered how my dog would react in a situation like that. I've got an even-tempered dog, but I would like to think she'd come through in a time of need.

I hope that worked out the best for you guys in the end.
 
I don't mean to sound like an a-hole about this, I'm no fan of violence. Why is it so bad to kill an animal that means you or your family harm?

Even in Alaska I don't really worry about wild animals because most of them aren't dumb enough to try and stick around humans.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
Airhorns. That's funny. We used them at college basketball games and it drove the officials crazy. I guess they thought they were the alpha dogs before that. :D
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They work well on dogs. (Not so well on chickens in the road which really mess up the spokes of a motorcycle!) But for stopping attacking dogs without worrying about retribution from the dog owners, nothing beats it. You don't have to kill the dog. You don't have to fight the dog's owner. You don't have to worry about 'the big dog down the street. You just clip the horn on your belt and go. No more problems! :)

Stitchawl
 
myright said:
I always wondered how my dog would react in a situation like that. I've got an even-tempered dog, but I would like to think she'd come through in a time of need.

I hope that worked out the best for you guys in the end.
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The South Bronx in the 1970s was not a particularly civil neighborhood. We trained that dog as a guard dog. He wouldn't jump on his own, but only on command. He wasn't bloodthirsty, he was very even-tempered, having been raised to be calm.

He and I had patrolled the roof of our building when he was young, chasing off junkies who would sneak up there to shoot up. The neighborhood knew about this. So the other dog's owner already knew not to make a big deal of it.

The one thing that would set that dog off was anything that looked like a threat to my daughter. He was 6 months older than she was, and was her devoted and obedient servant. If we fussed at her for doing something wrong, he would whimper as if we were chastising him.
 
Skimo said:
I don't mean to sound like an a-hole about this, I'm no fan of violence. Why is it so bad to kill an animal that means you or your family harm?

Even in Alaska I don't really worry about wild animals because most of them aren't dumb enough to try and stick around humans.
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Ahem, that seems to be changing for the bears around Anchorage AK these days.

But I'm in the camp of agreeing that any unrestrained dog intent on doing harm to anyone in my presence is as good as dead by whatever means necessary:grumpy: Let's call it 'force escalation' if you will...Dog runs up on me snarling like a bitch, I'm going to treat it like one until it leaves or dies, it has a choice, I did not.:thumbup:
 
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candlelight001 said:
Ok folks, need some real world advice here. Hope this isn't too off topic, but I think it fits under survival.

Walking my dog (45 lb, australian shepherd/cattle dog mix) around the neighborhood, passed a yard with two rotweilers and what looked like a chow/pit mix, low fence. Chow/pit immediately jumped over fence and came at us. My dog turned, I pulled him behind me with leash. Chow/pit came at my dog's butt. I shouted at it, "go home," tried to keep my dog behind me. Owners called their dog back, he half went back, we kept walking, he went back all the way.

Data points about me to factor into the equation: I'm relatively new to dogs, not self-defense or fighting oriented (hence not posting in practical tactical). My dog is fairly fearful, barks at other dogs, but out of insecurity I'm told.

This incident was resolved relatively smoothly, but scary, and could've been worse.

Just bought a medium sized can of bear spray on sale at REI, thinking maybe I should carry it for dogs? Works for a griz, works on a pit? Or is the biology different?

Anything I could've done differently? Would the dynamic have been different if I had two dogs? (Been thinking on getting another anyway). One thing that was interesting is the chow/pit seemed interested in my dog, not me. People really beat their dogs around here, I wonder if feigning to do so would've scared the dog or agitated it?

Thanks for any advice you can provide.
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I happen to know second hand that OC will work wonders on dogs. In law enforcement it is pretty common. You go onto someones property and sometimes dogs aren't very happy to see you. I do not however recommend a stick, I know a lot of you guys recommend a stick, but that may have no effect other than piss the dog off more. I had two black labs, one of them attacked the other, (Dominance thing). I was pissed because he was ripping the other one apart, so I grabbed a pipe and wacked the aggresssor on the ass, nothing. So I began hitting him on the head, he only fought harder. The pipe had no effect on him.
Another reason I say OC vs. a stick, on one occasion during a raid on a drug house, the first officer in imidiatly had a german shepard coming straight for him, he shot it with a .45 in the head, dog hit the ground, got back up and proceeded at him as he discribed, even madder this time. Until he shot it again in the head. First shot ricoched off its head. Point: Dogs are tougher than we are, and have an incredible pain tollerance. Any of you that have had luck with a stick, great work, but, that one time its a chow/pitt mix that may have been hit a time or two with a stick, your done for. OC, works like a charm, and all you have to do is keep walking, the owner wont realize what happened.
 
Geeze, guess I'm not alone in my feelings on this subject:rolleyes: Just finished reading the local section of my Sunday edition of the Asbury Park Press, and sure enough...

OFFICER SHOOTS CHARGING ROTTWEILER:eek:

Police shot and kileed a rottweiler that bit a 30 yr old woman after it charged the officer. The woman was walking with her 2 children when the dog bit her after confronting them on a sidewalk. The dog then fled the scene, and the woman was transported to the local hospital. Upon locating the rottweiler behind a house, a police officer shot the dog after it charged him. He killed it with one shot:thumbup: Later information determined that the dog had been tethered/chained in a backyard but had broken free and was roaming at will. Owner is still being sought by police, and is still under investigation.

Sad for the dog, but this is what happens when good dogs go bad...or in this case a chained up dog finally tastes freedom:barf: I feel bad that the dog had it's life ended because it sought freedom.
 
I love dogs, but have no tolerance for attacks. I have heard countless times "Don't worry, he doesn't bite," at which I reply, "I DO!" Then they get mad when their dog gets punted. Oh well.

One thing my sister has used with tremendous success are the plastic lemons that you get in the grocery store that are filled with concentrated lemon juice. She claims they are every bit as effective as OC, and have the advantage of being highly visible. She's had to use it while walking, now when the bad dogs see her, she just tosses it in the air like a softball (one-handed juggling) a couple of times, and they run and hide...
 
sodak said:
One thing my sister has used with tremendous success are the plastic lemons that you get in the grocery store that are filled with concentrated lemon juice. She claims they are every bit as effective as OC, and have the advantage of being highly visible.
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When we were kids, I would carry one of those once the lemon juice was used up and I had refilled it with ammonia. But we didn't have problem dogs around our neighborhood, just a pack o Weimaraners that liked to come out and run alongside the bicycles until we rode past their driveway again, then they'd go back home. If all dogs were like them, we wouldn't be having this discussion. :D
 
I was walking my chihuahua andf a mini husky on leashes when some jerk opened his yard gate and said "get him" A full grown german shepherd charged me from about 40feet. I sprayed him with pepper spray. A dog really can run and rub his eyeballs on the road all at the same time. The owner yelled at me and I just told I had more mace if he wanted to sic anything else on me. He never said another word and when I walk past his house he gets tired of his dog barking and tells it to shut up.
Mace works on all kinds of animals
 
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