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Dog Attack, what are you going to do????

Marion David Poff

Marion David Poff

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No, not the maker.

A real canine.

Forget the improbability and skip to the dispatching with knife.

So, this Dog is attacking you, how are you going to defend yourself.

Does your current carry knife fit the bill?

Of course if you had a firearm that would be perfect, 12 ga slug and no more problem, but all you have is a knife, how?

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Is running out of the question? I don't mean that sarcastically. Would most hostile canines drag you down if you ran, or would they be satisfied that their territory had been defended?

My father and I have both, on separate occasions, drawn a firearm on a hostile dog. Niether of us had to shoot, however. In both instances, the aggressive posture and a yell of "Get away, stupid @#$%!$%#! dog!" was enough to deter the animal (though there was much snarling and barking in both cases).

But take down a dog with a knife? That's a tough one. Sounds like no matter how you slice it you end up bloody and mangled -- and possibly waiting in line for rabies vaccine.

Razor

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If a dog really attacks, in my experience as a LEO, there might not be time to use a knife. My first impulse would be to break its neck... it will have momemtum from its charge/attack... I merely need to use its momemtum against it to snap its neck.

AJ
 
Well, to take a stab at it, I'd have to say that attacks by wild animals are pretty rare -- but attacks by dogs are not, at least in my experience. As I said in previous post, it has happened to my father, and to me, at different times and in different towns. Self-defense minded folks would, I hope, ponder eventualities that they might encounter so that they have some idea what to do before the fact -- and dogs are definitely a possibility, given the number of them wandering around any given state in the U.S.

Razor

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And tomorrow when you wake up it will be worse.
 
I have been chased many times on my bicycle and my car, but luckily never have been bitten to the point of drawing blood. Dogs key in on the movement of something - best thing to do as mentioned above already is to STOP moving and make a lot of noise. If all else fails RUN AT the dog (I did this once to a Doberman....it stopped and took off...lucky me). If it has a hold of your arm and is trying to tear it off, this buys you time to draw your blade and slice its throat...lol
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. Just kidding of course. I hope I don't have to find out: thank goodness for fences and leash laws.

No one breed of dog is 'BAD' - generally it is the owner who makes the dog act this way: i.e. some idiots punching or beating the dog to make them mean
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. This comment came from a breeder pit pitbulls: so he claims.

Oooops, left one thing out: when I go for a walk, or hike, I bring/find a BIG long stick. This also doubles as a hiking stick for balance
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[This message has been edited by maddog2020 (edited 27 July 1999).]
 
If it had to be a knife, BJ Vorpal sword. Otherwise I'd go with an A-10
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Aaron

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MD is right. Sometimes, running TOWARDS the dog, yelling all the way, might make the dog think twice, and turn around. I do this a lot, coz we have lots of dogs wandering around our streets.
BUT, sometimes this doesn't work too.. The dog sometimes stood his ground, and barks and snarls (hairs on its neck rising, which is really bad!). Then what can a guy do? I usually act like I'm about to pick something up to throw at the dog, but it opens my face to a lunging attack if ever.

A dog is a dog, and what someone posted was right all along. Dogs aren't bad. It's their owners that need a beating for turning them into something vicious.

Dan
 
There is one house along one of my bike routes that has a Rotwiler (Big!) chained to a dog house that is about 1/2 the size of a single car garage. When someone walks/rides by the house the dog gets all the slack in the chain he can and charges. When he hits the end of the chain the dog is snapped around 180 degrees, and the dog house visibly moves on it's foundation. (!) . WOW. As soon as the dog recovers from the impact he runs back to the dog house and does it again, and again, and again, until you are out of site (I think, I've never gone back to check.

I have altered my route so I go past there headed down hill, I think I can out run him (her? I have not gon back to check on that either.)

I have also speculated on the feasibility of breaking a dogs neck in trade for one good bite, but I'm not sore it would work on this guy, I think if he ever got off that chain he would hit you like a freight train.

If anyone has any ideas, (other than sneaking down there some night with a flashlight and a shotgun) I would be glad to hear them.

MNH
 
I agree with copfish shoot the dog and keep an eye open for the owner peaple get P Od when you kill their pets.
most dogs like to go low to avoid the hands and to try to knock you off your feet so a club or walking stick is a better bet then a knife.
I took 21 stiches in the face from a dog as a boy.
when i go for a walk i got my glock always.
 
A few posters mentioned bikes. There's something about a moving bike that seems to trigger the "hunting" drive in some dogs. Dismount the bike and put it between you and the dog. I always carry a bike pump with me that makes a decent club, and sometimes, a squirt in the face with a water bottle can startle it and cause the dog to rethink his attack.

Some dogs run quite fast and I've even seen a dog take a bike down. If the moving bike causes the dog's hunt instinct to click in, stopping removes that part of the equation.
 
I get calls from people asking me to recommend a knife to protect them from dog attacks. I refuse to recommend a knife because in the case of an attack a dog simply does not recognize the threat that a knife represents and will press the attack regardless.

I send these people to the hunting store with instructions to buy the largest can of bear repellant (pepper spray) that they can and use it instead. Nothing stops a dog like pepper spray in the eyes, if they can't see the attack stops.

Do I feel sorry for the dog.... not at all if it was attacking in the first place.

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George is right on about pepper spray. I big stick is also a good bet. After you whack the dog with it you can use on the dumb ass owner who let him loose.

phantom4

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I've read somewhere that pepper spray is good for dogs because their mucus membranes on the surface -- specifically, their wet noses -- so they find it more deterring than do humans. I only know what I've read in books and on the 'net, however. Not being a fan of pressurized aerosols, I have never owned or used pepper sprays.

Razor

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And tomorrow when you wake up it will be worse.
 
AJ, copfish--
I have to tell you guys this, as my bro-in-law is a LEO in Fayetteville. He was out on a call regarding a "rabid dog" in the neighborhood. In his words, with other officers arriving, no one really certain of how to "catch" the dog, he read the dog his rights, the dog charged him, and he used the Taser to protect himself, shocking the @#$% out of the dog. The dog gave up quite easily after that. No one said anything about "cruelty" or "ethical treatment".

As for my personal experiences, I hate those little "ankle-biters" the most.

 
Dog attack is one of the most probable dangers of any that we discuss in this forum. I know more people who have been injured by dogs than have been injured by attack by humans or any other animal (even house cats). If you walk, jog, peddle, or ride a motorcycle you are a target. If you have small children you may need to defend them from dog attack at home, at another home, or on the street. If you own a pet or livestock you may need to rescue them from dog attack. I've lost 3 cats that were killed by unleashed dogs.

The tips in earlier answers have been good. Motion stimulates chase, stop and confront. Avoid running by or accross yards with dogs. Put objects between you and the dog, put yourself between loved ones and the dog. Speak loudly and carry a big stick when walking. Get a pistol permit when possible, (but of course I can't carry in a city park where I might need it). Carry something when jogging or biking. Many mail carriers have pepper spray (illegal in some jurisdictions). Even a pop-out umbrella can be a deterent to a dog. Sometimes all I have is a knife. I get it out as soon as a dog makes me nervous. Sometimes I keep one out when I'm walking at night cause I wouldn't have time to draw it later. Be prepared to distract or deflect with your left hand while you do a juggler vein slash with your right.
 
I have never had to draw a blade onto a canine, but I have had to physically defend my dog from a loose (and leashed, I know the dog so no one freak out about rabies) pit-bull. It was surprisingly easy, I kicked it in the stomach and stomped on its face to keep it at bay while holding my best friend (a Cairn Terrier) in my arms above my head until the owner came and regained control of the animal. I had a Benchmade 830s (a THICK blade as I am sure you all know, it could have done the job well) at my side the whole time. I didn't use it... I didn't want to kill the animal, I simply don't have it in me to destroy something unless I NEED to, and by all accounts the need is rare at best. I have found that physical altercations are almost always avoidable, and when they are not, deadly force is only one option, the worst one.

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If it can be written, or thought, it can be filmed.
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I was walking my 49 lb. female Collie (the
most gentle dog you would ever want to meet)
at a school yard. We were out in the open when we were attacked by a 90+ lb. vicious
male Yellow Lab. He bit my Collie and went to
bite me as I tried to pull her away while yelling. He tried to bite me but I jumped back and he missed. I pulled back and drew
my Kershaw G10 ATS34 1416. Knowing that I could elevate my level of defense, I kicked the dog (very hard) square in the head. He slowly retreated back to his owner (a 100 lb.
17 year old female). The reason that I mentioned that is because she could not and did not control her dog, and because she reported me to the police. The police finally came to my house and found no criminal wrong doing on my part. Picture perfect case of self defence. Although one of the investigating (female) officers treated me like a criminal for having the knife. The saving grace was that the dog got away from the owner, and she maintained a distance of about 20 yards throughout the entire incident. Let me emphasize the fact that one of the cops said that if she were within 10 feet of me with the knife deployed,I would have been in jail that day.
There was a witness which solidified my story. Believe me, even though I didn't cut or stab the dog, I could of, I was still treated like a criminal by the police. I followed up with a meeting with my lawyer just to make sure there were no civil charges that she could have brought against me. There were none.

Regards,

P.S. For my birthday, after this ugly incident, I bought myself a Cold Steel Gunsite folder.

 
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